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The answer to the g5 dilemma!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: The answer to the g5 dilemma!!!!!!!!!!

Unread post by appdaze » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:32 pm

Howard Street Hooligan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:50 pm
AppinVA wrote:
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If relegation began in college sports, corruption would go through the roof, any program involved would have to break away from the school as no taxpayer institution would be able to/want to, or be allowed to be a part of something that could devastated their revenue if they got relegated. Relegation in college sports would destroy it.
No it wouldn't. It's the only thing that would actually become fair. If Bama gets relegated, they're not keeping their recruits and would open the door for much smaller programs to succeed and mainly BUILD a program from the bottom. Smaller schools getting the massive tv deals would be huge for a program. Just think if we even got the ACC money for a few years, we'd fix up our stadium in no time.
It's not about the TV contract. If NCAAF went to relegation style then the Nil money and big money schools would outright buy all the best players beyond what NIL does and schools like App would never ever ever be able to compete with that on any consistent enough basis to be in the upper league long enough for anything to matter. Sports gambling would go wild on in bringing in the criminal activity that rides with that. Schools and alumni would go broke trying to win, and if relegation happened, heads would roll at all levels. It would be a massive shit show. Massive. Many schools would do away with football after a time or form their own league and continue as a normal American style league. It would not be fair in the slightest and would be worse than the current system on fairness.
I, for the life of me, do not understand the obsession with promotion/relegation in America. No good would come of it.
Because you clearly don’t understand promotion/relegation.
I understand it quite well. I've seen it wreck and destroy many a futball club to the point of bankruptcy. Colleges can't do that. You are talking about taxpayer funded universities, not privately owned organizations. If App were to have a bad season like this year and were relegated back to FCS what do you think that would do to our fanbase, donations, NIL, future recruiting and so on???? It would set our program back Decades. Is that the fair you think is going to happen? If you implemented a relegation system then sure, a few current G5 and lower P5 teams would taste the fruit of the top 40 league once in a blue moon, and then spend the next 10+ years spending their way into MASSIVE debt trying to regain that level. It would absolutely wreck 60%+ of athletic programs and would cause them to either close up or create their own non relegation league. I'm sorry, but its you and the others who don't understand the economics, politics, logistics, or anything else that would go into such a move and the devastation it would cause....just like the 32 futball clubs I already showed you as evidence were destroyed trying to reach the top with high expenditures only to be relegated into oblivion. It's ok though, because it will never happen since those in power know better.

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Re: The answer to the g5 dilemma!!!!!!!!!!

Unread post by AppinVA » Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:36 pm

Howard Street Hooligan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:50 pm
AppinVA wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:07 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:03 pm
Howard Street Hooligan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:03 pm
appdaze wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:27 pm
If relegation began in college sports, corruption would go through the roof, any program involved would have to break away from the school as no taxpayer institution would be able to/want to, or be allowed to be a part of something that could devastated their revenue if they got relegated. Relegation in college sports would destroy it.
No it wouldn't. It's the only thing that would actually become fair. If Bama gets relegated, they're not keeping their recruits and would open the door for much smaller programs to succeed and mainly BUILD a program from the bottom. Smaller schools getting the massive tv deals would be huge for a program. Just think if we even got the ACC money for a few years, we'd fix up our stadium in no time.
It's not about the TV contract. If NCAAF went to relegation style then the Nil money and big money schools would outright buy all the best players beyond what NIL does and schools like App would never ever ever be able to compete with that on any consistent enough basis to be in the upper league long enough for anything to matter. Sports gambling would go wild on in bringing in the criminal activity that rides with that. Schools and alumni would go broke trying to win, and if relegation happened, heads would roll at all levels. It would be a massive shit show. Massive. Many schools would do away with football after a time or form their own league and continue as a normal American style league. It would not be fair in the slightest and would be worse than the current system on fairness.
I, for the life of me, do not understand the obsession with promotion/relegation in America. No good would come of it.
Because you clearly don’t understand promotion/relegation.
Nah. I understand it. I follow the Premier League. I just don’t care for it here, as franchises would fold, rather than be relegated. And I do not believe it would work for the college system, due to eligibility only being four or five years. That would have to change, and people are fickle with their money to the point that schools that get relegated could see funding across the board dry up. Remember that intercollegiate athletics is only a big deal here and fractionally popular in Canada. We don’t know what could happen with such a system. I foresee it doing far more harm than good.

Now, if you want to get into something I don’t understand, why do media outlets insist on using British rules for collective nouns when we talk about American soccer?
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Re: The answer to the g5 dilemma!!!!!!!!!!

Unread post by Howard Street Hooligan » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:37 pm

appdaze wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:32 pm
Howard Street Hooligan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:50 pm
AppinVA wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:07 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:03 pm
Howard Street Hooligan wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:03 pm


No it wouldn't. It's the only thing that would actually become fair. If Bama gets relegated, they're not keeping their recruits and would open the door for much smaller programs to succeed and mainly BUILD a program from the bottom. Smaller schools getting the massive tv deals would be huge for a program. Just think if we even got the ACC money for a few years, we'd fix up our stadium in no time.
It's not about the TV contract. If NCAAF went to relegation style then the Nil money and big money schools would outright buy all the best players beyond what NIL does and schools like App would never ever ever be able to compete with that on any consistent enough basis to be in the upper league long enough for anything to matter. Sports gambling would go wild on in bringing in the criminal activity that rides with that. Schools and alumni would go broke trying to win, and if relegation happened, heads would roll at all levels. It would be a massive shit show. Massive. Many schools would do away with football after a time or form their own league and continue as a normal American style league. It would not be fair in the slightest and would be worse than the current system on fairness.
I, for the life of me, do not understand the obsession with promotion/relegation in America. No good would come of it.
Because you clearly don’t understand promotion/relegation.
I understand it quite well. I've seen it wreck and destroy many a futball club to the point of bankruptcy. Colleges can't do that. You are talking about taxpayer funded universities, not privately owned organizations. If App were to have a bad season like this year and were relegated back to FCS what do you think that would do to our fanbase, donations, NIL, future recruiting and so on???? It would set our program back Decades. Is that the fair you think is going to happen? If you implemented a relegation system then sure, a few current G5 and lower P5 teams would taste the fruit of the top 40 league once in a blue moon, and then spend the next 10+ years spending their way into MASSIVE debt trying to regain that level. It would absolutely wreck 60%+ of athletic programs and would cause them to either close up or create their own non relegation league. I'm sorry, but its you and the others who don't understand the economics, politics, logistics, or anything else that would go into such a move and the devastation it would cause....just like the 32 futball clubs I already showed you as evidence were destroyed trying to reach the top with high expenditures only to be relegated into oblivion. It's ok though, because it will never happen since those in power know better.
The football pyramids across the world don’t fall apart because teams get relegated. They just spend less money recklessly and try to make the right hire the next time. Sure, clubs go bankrupt but 32 out of thousands and thousands is such a small number, that it’s not really much of a concern.

I’m a double major in Econ, finance and working on an MBA. I understand these things quite well and have followed the game for 20 years throughly. It would absolutely work. It’s time for college athletics to make a move toward this instead of what we have now. What’s the point in a closed athletic system that will literally never allow certain schools into a conference to receive these massive paydays? It’s moronic.

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Re: The answer to the g5 dilemma!!!!!!!!!!

Unread post by Howard Street Hooligan » Mon Oct 07, 2024 10:46 pm

appdaze wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:48 pm
Here's 32 soccer teams that went bankrupt trying to make it and compete in the top leagues. Colleges would get wrecked.

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fo ... f-business
That’s not the “goal” you think it is.

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