I am with you Coach Clark

[Bootsy]

Thanks to everyone for bringing up all those golden memories of Laney. That was tantamount to me suffering with an ingrown toenail, and you decide to hit me in the knee with an ax handle so I'd focus on the knee and forget about the toe.

[AppStFan1]

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

I was on the team in the Laney years. Not sure what the players do for Friday practice now before home games, but if you were on the practice field before or after practice and Laney saw you....You were an able body who instead of warming up or cooling down was then moving crap (soccer goals, track equipment, whatever) to get the facility ready for game day. I just stopped warming up on those days.

I had forgot about that but your post reminded me a player told me that once. He was very lazy. Peacock gave him a list of things to do when he took over and he did none of it. He was given a fair chance and refused to do it so Peacock let him go.

[DenverOfTheEast]

What do you see that makes you think that is possible? We won’t even win 7 games in a year we were picked to win the Sun Belt this year so I have a hard time thinking it’s possible.

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

[proasu89]

Can’t wait to hear Denver tell us how great Mark DriveTheBus was.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Can’t wait to hear Denver tell us how great Mark DriveTheBus was.

The white bus or yellow bus?

[AppinVA]

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

You besmirched Gerald Adams. That should be grounds for permanent banning.

[Stonewall]

It really should. I was involved in getting funding for Holmes. Laney was a zero.

[AppStFan1]

I agree, but I just wish somehow it would happen. Hell, I remember when the fire Moore crowd was raving about Jerry missing so many opportunities to win National Championships then he won 3 in a row and they still didn't shut up. Raved about him and Laney holding us back for decades. Some people are never happy or just jealous or too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Sometimes, I wonder if they wouldn't be pissed off if we did somehow have a big winning streak next year. It's not going to happen but if it did, it still wouldn't end the negativity. Somebody on here has to find just a ray of positivity or hell, everybody is going to jump ship. including the players, staff and families. Heck, if I was a player reading this crap I'd be looking at transferring ASAP. We cut off our own noses.

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

[AppStFan1]

It really should. I was involved in getting funding for Holmes. Laney was a zero.

100%. Laney had no involvement in it. I would not be surprised if he tried to talk people out of funding the Holmes Center. LOL

[DenverOfTheEast]

Jerry had a real problem in that he had Laney as AD. The minute Laney left we won 3 titles. I think we would have won at least 2, maybe 3, prior to 2005 with a better AD. The doubts by fans and media are legit with our standard and how it has gone the last couple years.

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

[AppStFan1]

Laney leaving had ZERO to do with Moore little championship run, Armanti Edwards and some luck got Coach Moore the Natty's.

Charlie Cobb sucked as an AD -- Capel hire, the Moore transition debacle, never improved a facility except for the press box. Scoreboards were awful when Cobb left.

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

None of the prior years saw a massive attendance or giving increase. All of it happened immediately after Laney left. Laney didn’t lay any foundation for Moore. Moore didn’t even like Laney but is a good man who acted with class.

Laney was very petty and didn’t want boosters to have any say at all. He actually told people he didn’t want the YC to surpass 1M in donations because he would lose power. He wanted full control and didn’t actually do anything but hold us back.

Aren’t you the same person who told us how great Team Clark is and that he would turn things around? You then reversed it and recently posted a list of coaching candidates to replace him?

[AppStateMtneer]

[DenverOfTheEast]

Here is why I say Laney leaving had an effect. 1. He was not giving the staff everything they needed and that changed when Peacock came in. Cobb made mistakes but Cobb also was all in on giving football everything to be successful. Scoreboards have nothing to do with success. Laney did not really improve any facilities. 2. The morale was very different in the locker room. Both former and current players were happy he left. 3. Yosef Club got a huge boost in donations. Gerald Adams was not shy about admitting it. 4. General support grew big time.

Armanti was not the only reason for the titles. Remember we won before Armanti showed up.

The luck you mention was not really luck because Moore finally approved changing the offense and that 2005 was the second year of the new offense. Kudos to Moore for listening and adapting.

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

None of the prior years saw a massive attendance or giving increase. All of it happened immediately after Laney left. Laney didn’t lay any foundation for Moore. Moore didn’t even like Laney but is a good man who acted with class.

Laney was very petty and didn’t want boosters to have any say at all. He actually told people he didn’t want the YC to surpass 1M in donations because he would lose power. He wanted full control and didn’t actually do anything but hold us back.

Aren’t you the same person who told us how great Team Clark is and that he would turn things around? You then reversed it and recently posted a list of coaching candidates to replace him?

Look AirForce1 - I have defended #TEAMCLARK his whole tenure -- he's had more out of control challenges (which I have documented and are facts) than any coach in any sport that has ever walked the campus of AppState.

He's won 65% of his games, Multiple Bowl games, beaten ranked teams, SBC East titles, SBC championship game appearances, navigated big changes within the school and sport.

But as the tension and losing has mounted this year, I see no clear path where he will be fully embraced by majority of fans AND he has those big donors, that in fact LANEY feared years ago, now working against him that GIllin has let taken over and influenced his decision making instead of being rational.

Laney would have #TEAMCLARK back and would deflect all this non sense if he was in charge, but unfortunately Gillin has no relationship with #TEAMCLARK nor many of his Head Coaches. Nolan Jones is the moderator.

If a change is coming which it will, I am just getting out in front of it and posting names that could be replacements.

[NewApp]

Laney, Bork, DribbleFuss, it's all in the past. The present is you guys have Clark fired and riding out on a rail. That's the present.

[AppStFan1]

1st of all - regarding facilities, Laney was the AD when the Holmes Center was built so therefore that kills your facility claim.

2nd; an AD has nothing to do with MORALE in a locker room, the players rarely even know who the AD is at 99.9% of schools.

3rd&4th go together: You always get more donations when you win, no matter who is in charge. maybe even Moore would have won earlier more money earlier.

You listening and believing Gerald Adams means I can sell you some prime water front property in West Virginia...

Gullible Mountianeers....

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

None of the prior years saw a massive attendance or giving increase. All of it happened immediately after Laney left. Laney didn’t lay any foundation for Moore. Moore didn’t even like Laney but is a good man who acted with class.

Laney was very petty and didn’t want boosters to have any say at all. He actually told people he didn’t want the YC to surpass 1M in donations because he would lose power. He wanted full control and didn’t actually do anything but hold us back.

Aren’t you the same person who told us how great Team Clark is and that he would turn things around? You then reversed it and recently posted a list of coaching candidates to replace him?

Look AirForce1 - I have defended #TEAMCLARK his whole tenure -- he's had more out of control challenges (which I have documented and are facts) than any coach in any sport that has ever walked the campus of AppState.

He's won 65% of his games, Multiple Bowl games, beaten ranked teams, SBC East titles, SBC championship game appearances, navigated big changes within the school and sport.

But as the tension and losing has mounted this year, I see no clear path where he will be fully embraced by majority of fans AND he has those big donors, that in fact LANEY feared years ago, now working against him that GIllin has let taken over and influenced his decision making instead of being rational.

Laney would have #TEAMCLARK back and would deflect all this non sense if he was in charge, but unfortunately Gillin has no relationship with #TEAMCLARK nor many of his Head Coaches. Nolan Jones is the moderator.

If a change is coming which it will, I am just getting out in front of it and posting names that could be replacements.

I love Shawn Clark as a person but you and a few others pretend that only Shawn has to deal with COVID, portal, injuries, a hurricane, etc. Everyone has dealt with all of this stuff in some form or fashion. Things happen and that is why we have 85 scholarships. A good recruiter at this level should have 3 deep everywhere that can play, except for maybe QB, or else they have missed a lot in recruiting.

Clark has won 63.7% percent technically and is below .500 against FBS since from 2022-2024 so far. The trend is downward. Honestly, I wanted to give him a chance as well at first but he has made many errors with mismanaging the portal, trying to lock up a class way too early, bad hires with both coaches and support staff, etc that show me he is likely going to end up being a great OL coach only and that is okay. He should have started out as a D2 or FCS head coach first to get his feet wet. He was not ready for this level as a head coach and most would not be as a first year head coach.

Agreed that Laney absolutely would sit and let Clark stay forever no matter what. We would not even be in FBS if Laney were the AD either because he wanted to stay in the SoCon. I heard him say "we can't do this at Appalachian" more than just about any other sentence while he was here. Your comment about his fear of donors was not because of what is happening now but because he wanted complete control. He would be in way over his depth now in the Sun Belt and having to navigate a FBS program in this environment.

Gillin is judging based on wins and is looking for what will get us playing the best we can, increase revenues, and grow our program.

I am pulling for us to win out but I just don't see it happening and if we don't even make a bowl this year then it is 100% time for a change on December 2. The folks who want to move on now are not being realistic because we need to shrink the buyout and other financial considerations.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Can the Mods create a master folder called Dead Horse and put the multiple threads into it? Same comments over and over on multiple threads.

[BambooRdApp]

I was talking about football and he had very little to do with the Holmes Center. He was lucky to be AD when it happened. Laney had NOTHING to do with it.

Players knew who Laney was. They did not like him. Not all players knew him but many did. Coakley could not stand Laney. He refused to come around until he left.

As far as donations I am saying that Adams showed us proof that they brought in more money the week that Laney resigned than they brought in the entire year prior to him leaving. That was BEFORE we won any titles. Kind of kills your argument that winning helps. I know that Adams could say some stuff that was due to wearing black/gold colored glasses but the YC donations in that time period are the donations.

Attendance facts for you. The home opener in 2004 we had 12,353 for EKU. We started the 2005 season with a road game at EKU that we won by 8 and loss to Kansas on the road 36-8. We had no reason to think we had a championship caliber team at that point. We had 23,267 just after firing Laney. Almost 11,000 fan increase.

Now in 2006 AFTER we won a title we had 23,814 in the opener against JMU. 11,000 increase after Laney compared to just 600 increase after the first title. We had 28,802 against L-R in the opener in 2007 to increase by about 5,000.

After 1 title we saw a roughly 600 fan increase and after 2 titles we had a 5,000 fan increase for the opener. We still had more than double the increase from firing Laney than we had after winning 2 titles in a row.

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

None of the prior years saw a massive attendance or giving increase. All of it happened immediately after Laney left. Laney didn’t lay any foundation for Moore. Moore didn’t even like Laney but is a good man who acted with class.

Laney was very petty and didn’t want boosters to have any say at all. He actually told people he didn’t want the YC to surpass 1M in donations because he would lose power. He wanted full control and didn’t actually do anything but hold us back.

Aren’t you the same person who told us how great Team Clark is and that he would turn things around? You then reversed it and recently posted a list of coaching candidates to replace him?

Look AirForce1 - I have defended #TEAMCLARK his whole tenure -- he's had more out of control challenges (which I have documented and are facts) than any coach in any sport that has ever walked the campus of AppState.

He's won 65% of his games, Multiple Bowl games, beaten ranked teams, SBC East titles, SBC championship game appearances, navigated big changes within the school and sport.

But as the tension and losing has mounted this year, I see no clear path where he will be fully embraced by majority of fans AND he has those big donors, that in fact LANEY feared years ago, now working against him that GIllin has let taken over and influenced his decision making instead of being rational.

Laney would have #TEAMCLARK back and would deflect all this non sense if he was in charge, but unfortunately Gillin has no relationship with #TEAMCLARK nor many of his Head Coaches. Nolan Jones is the moderator.

If a change is coming which it will, I am just getting out in front of it and posting names that could be replacements.

I love Shawn Clark as a person but you and a few others pretend that only Shawn has to deal with COVID, portal, injuries, a hurricane, etc. Everyone has dealt with all of this stuff in some form or fashion. Things happen and that is why we have 85 scholarships. A good recruiter at this level should have 3 deep everywhere that can play, except for maybe QB, or else they have missed a lot in recruiting.

Clark has won 63.7% percent technically and is below .500 against FBS since from 2022-2024 so far. The trend is downward. Honestly, I wanted to give him a chance as well at first but he has made many errors with mismanaging the portal, trying to lock up a class way too early, bad hires with both coaches and support staff, etc that show me he is likely going to end up being a great OL coach only and that is okay. He should have started out as a D2 or FCS head coach first to get his feet wet. He was not ready for this level as a head coach and most would not be as a first year head coach.

Agreed that Laney absolutely would sit and let Clark stay forever no matter what. We would not even be in FBS if Laney were the AD either because he wanted to stay in the SoCon. I heard him say "we can't do this at Appalachian" more than just about any other sentence while he was here. Your comment about his fear of donors was not because of what is happening now but because he wanted complete control. He would be in way over his depth now in the Sun Belt and having to navigate a FBS program in this environment.

Gillin is judging based on wins and is looking for what will get us playing the best we can, increase revenues, and grow our program.

I am pulling for us to win out but I just don't see it happening and if we don't even make a bowl this year then it is 100% time for a change on December 2. The folks who want to move on now are not being realistic because we need to shrink the buyout and other financial considerations.

Easy to play Monday morning QB on coaching hires....it seemed like over 90% on YC were falling all over themselves when the Ponce and Sloan hires were made.

[Stonewall]

Coach was asked , basically as I understand it , what he needed . “Sloan and Ponce”.

[Saint3333]

GS fans were excited when we hired Sloan.

[AppStFan1]

To actually think 11,00 people show up the day a AD gets fired or is no longer in charge is incomprehensible on your part.The popularity of App State football in the 2000's had zero to do with the AD.

If you give Gillin credit for 2015-2019 success --- (which he had zero to do with) he must take blame for it falling apart now.

The 2000' was after the economy boom under Clinton and you have to think that the Lowe's/App State employees that came into big money was in their 40's or 50's during that decade. Hence having their own kids returning to games etc....

Laney in fact laid the Foundation for Moore's success...

None of the prior years saw a massive attendance or giving increase. All of it happened immediately after Laney left. Laney didn’t lay any foundation for Moore. Moore didn’t even like Laney but is a good man who acted with class.

Laney was very petty and didn’t want boosters to have any say at all. He actually told people he didn’t want the YC to surpass 1M in donations because he would lose power. He wanted full control and didn’t actually do anything but hold us back.

Aren’t you the same person who told us how great Team Clark is and that he would turn things around? You then reversed it and recently posted a list of coaching candidates to replace him?

Look AirForce1 - I have defended #TEAMCLARK his whole tenure -- he's had more out of control challenges (which I have documented and are facts) than any coach in any sport that has ever walked the campus of AppState.

He's won 65% of his games, Multiple Bowl games, beaten ranked teams, SBC East titles, SBC championship game appearances, navigated big changes within the school and sport.

But as the tension and losing has mounted this year, I see no clear path where he will be fully embraced by majority of fans AND he has those big donors, that in fact LANEY feared years ago, now working against him that GIllin has let taken over and influenced his decision making instead of being rational.

Laney would have #TEAMCLARK back and would deflect all this non sense if he was in charge, but unfortunately Gillin has no relationship with #TEAMCLARK nor many of his Head Coaches. Nolan Jones is the moderator.

If a change is coming which it will, I am just getting out in front of it and posting names that could be replacements.

I love Shawn Clark as a person but you and a few others pretend that only Shawn has to deal with COVID, portal, injuries, a hurricane, etc. Everyone has dealt with all of this stuff in some form or fashion. Things happen and that is why we have 85 scholarships. A good recruiter at this level should have 3 deep everywhere that can play, except for maybe QB, or else they have missed a lot in recruiting.

Clark has won 63.7% percent technically and is below .500 against FBS since from 2022-2024 so far. The trend is downward. Honestly, I wanted to give him a chance as well at first but he has made many errors with mismanaging the portal, trying to lock up a class way too early, bad hires with both coaches and support staff, etc that show me he is likely going to end up being a great OL coach only and that is okay. He should have started out as a D2 or FCS head coach first to get his feet wet. He was not ready for this level as a head coach and most would not be as a first year head coach.

Agreed that Laney absolutely would sit and let Clark stay forever no matter what. We would not even be in FBS if Laney were the AD either because he wanted to stay in the SoCon. I heard him say "we can't do this at Appalachian" more than just about any other sentence while he was here. Your comment about his fear of donors was not because of what is happening now but because he wanted complete control. He would be in way over his depth now in the Sun Belt and having to navigate a FBS program in this environment.

Gillin is judging based on wins and is looking for what will get us playing the best we can, increase revenues, and grow our program.

I am pulling for us to win out but I just don't see it happening and if we don't even make a bowl this year then it is 100% time for a change on December 2. The folks who want to move on now are not being realistic because we need to shrink the buyout and other financial considerations.

Easy to play Monday morning QB on coaching hires....it seemed like over 90% on YC were falling all over themselves when the Ponce and Sloan hires were made.

I admitted I was for it and I thought since he is such a good guy, called plays well in the bowl game, and I thought he would bring a tough edge on the field. I also felt if he did well that he would stay. I am admitting that looking back on it we probably should have wanted him to cut his teeth in FCS or D2 before giving him the head job but we live and learn. Shawn is a head of an OL coach so he will only be out of work as long as he wants to if he can't turn this thing around and is fired.

As for Sloan and Ponce I expected much more. I was not a fan of giving them as much say as they were getting but it sounded like the deals we offered them are what we needed and I know both were on staff when Scott was here so I was willing to give it a shot.

It is okay to make a mistake but don't make another mistake by holding on to them a lot longer than you should as well. If Shawn can't turn this around we need a FCS HC who has a proven record of making good hires that will come in without any biases and really evaluate our whole coaching staff and the support staff.