The cancer on this program is

[bcoach]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

[WataugaMan]

Have we really fallen to the point that people are actually making the argument that wins don’t matter?

Some of us have fall-back teams.

Watauga High is undefeated heading into conference play and expected to take it all again this year.

[BallantyneApp]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

https://sunbeltsports.org/news/2024/7/2 ... -poll.aspx

[Yosef10]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

This is revisionist history. There’s a reason Clark himself publicly said a stated goal for this team was to make the playoff.

[WVAPPeer]

Still no other reason than W-L?

So you think Neal brown is doing a great job at WVU? No scandals and he seems like a great guy with a family.

This is not about WVU or Neal Brown, this is about App State - if you want to discuss WVU start another thread.

[BallantyneApp]

Still no other reason than W-L?

So you think Neal brown is doing a great job at WVU? No scandals and he seems like a great guy with a family.

This is not about WVU or Neal Brown, this is about App State - if you want to discuss WVU start another thread.

no this is about expectations. Why do you have an expectation for WVU to win when they are by far the poorest school in the poorest state in the big 12 by talent and $$$, yet for App State who has some of the MOST resources football wise in the sunbelt in one of the richer states in talent and $$$ W/L don't matter.

I had such high hopes for Brown and he just plain sucks - can't handle the big time --- They finally have a P5 QB in JT Daniels - please bring in a coach that knows what the F he is doing ---

This is why I LOVE the APP STATE MOUNTAINEERS - They know how to WIN

interesting that when App is winning, W/L matter, but now we're losing and W/L don't matter. Meanwhile for Neal Brown, losing means he sucks and can't handle the big time, don't you know he has a family and calling for him to be fired makes you a bad fan with unrealistic expectations? Why do W/L matter for WVU when losing but W/L don't matter for App when losing?

I really just don't get it.

[Bigdaddyg1]

It’s amazing what some of you guys read and decide to run with. I can’t see anyone on here saying that wins don’t matter. I do see many who feel like that is the absolute only thing that matters. It’s also amazing to me that because a writer penned a preseason article that predicted us to win the East and because the coaches voted us to win that meant it had to happen and if it didn’t the coaches failed. Apparently SC can check off the other favorable App coaching boxes but is failing in the wins/losses box so that trumps everything else. We get it, ultimately it does come down to wins and losses but typically there is something else that triggers a change- losing the locker room, off field issues, academic problems, etc. At some point in college athletics sanity has to come into play and a school can decide that they have the guy they want. Success and failure ebbs and flows.

[WVAPPeer]

*** App State is one of only five Group of Five
programs (and 14 FBS programs) in the country with at least three
nine-win seasons since the start of 2020.
***3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison
*** No losing seasons
*** Division Champions 2 of last 3 years

Again, these are facts not opinions and they are in the ballpark of W-L records - the only other reason I have seen is that the program is on a downward trend. Without question this is a down year but as pointed out last season we were division champs and won another bowl game. Only one other team in the SB world of 14 teams can say that.
In the last 6 years there have been 84 (give or take) teams playing for the 2 slots in the Conf.Champ game - those 12 slots have been filled by just 4 teams - APPSTATE 4 times --- LOUISIANA 4 times --- TROY 2 times and COASTAL 2 times
I know some who see a downward trend here - convince an impartial party that this is your case to fire the coach. None of us are impartial but some are totally impractical

[WVAPPeer]

Again I will gladly discuss WVU if you start another thread for that purpose - this is about APP

[WVAPPeer]

It’s amazing what some of you guys read and decide to run with. I can’t see anyone on here saying that wins don’t matter. I do see many who feel like that is the absolute only thing that matters. It’s also amazing to me that because a writer penned a preseason article that predicted us to win the East and because the coaches voted us to win that meant it had to happen and if it didn’t the coaches failed. Apparently SC can check off the other favorable App coaching boxes but is failing in the wins/losses box so that trumps everything else. We get it, ultimately it does come down to wins and losses but typically there is something else that triggers a change- losing the locker room, off field issues, academic problems, etc. At some point in college athletics sanity has to come into play and a school can decide that they have the guy they want. Success and failure ebbs and flows.

Yes - certainly there has to be more than the two of us who see this???

[BallantyneApp]

It’s amazing what some of you guys read and decide to run with. I can’t see anyone on here saying that wins don’t matter. I do see many who feel like that is the absolute only thing that matters. It’s also amazing to me that because a writer penned a preseason article that predicted us to win the East and because the coaches voted us to win that meant it had to happen and if it didn’t the coaches failed. Apparently SC can check off the other favorable App coaching boxes but is failing in the wins/losses box so that trumps everything else. We get it, ultimately it does come down to wins and losses but typically there is something else that triggers a change- losing the locker room, off field issues, academic problems, etc. At some point in college athletics sanity has to come into play and a school can decide that they have the guy they want. Success and failure ebbs and flows.

why do we have some posters who are gaslighting other fans of college football? good men and decent coaches get fired ALL THE TIME in college football for not winning.

stop building straw men. Just say- "i'm ok with mediocrity (or maybe less like this year, and occasionally more) as long as the coach fulfills whatever standard I have" I guess for most of you its that he loves App.

I have been and will remain on record that our coach loving App is not even in the top ten qualifications/traits i'm looking for.

[bcoach]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

This is revisionist history. There’s a reason Clark himself publicly said a stated goal for this team was to make the playoff.

Really? Coach speak is the answer?

[bcoach]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

https://sunbeltsports.org/news/2024/7/2 ... -poll.aspx

I had forgotten how many first and second team OL and DL we had oh wait......
This just was not realistic and we know it.

[Yosef1986]

FYI - I do not like the "cancer" headline - to close to reality. Anyway - we can go around all day on this - bottom line - we have not done enough to move the program forward over the years. Other teams have closed the gap and passed us. We have always lacked creativity and on and off the field. I realize we may have fewer dollars coming into the program - however, are we using what we have to move forward. When I watch the games - I do not necessarily see teams with better players( I have seen teams with bigger and faster) however, we have not changed scheme etc.... We have to try something or change what we are doing to move forward. I am no insider, and I do not have all the answers. However, if we are not changing and at least trying a new scheme, playing younger players or whatever "change" may be - than maybe it is our programs leadership that should be held accountable. Any good leader should be held accountable for the overall product.

[spacemonkey]

I am not going to look this up...but it would be interesting stat on ball control. It may be just me...I have not looked it up...but it seems our offense is a 3 and out or a touchdown in 2 minutes. This seems to leave our defense on the field for most of the game. If anyone has stats on this to prove me wrong, I would love to see them.

I feel like we moved to this offense for Chase Brice. Chase seemed to complete more passes and we kept the ball for an equal time of possession, but even then it seemed like we went 3 and out or scored. Not much in-between.

[Saint3333]

It’s amazing what some of you guys read and decide to run with. I can’t see anyone on here saying that wins don’t matter. I do see many who feel like that is the absolute only thing that matters. It’s also amazing to me that because a writer penned a preseason article that predicted us to win the East and because the coaches voted us to win that meant it had to happen and if it didn’t the coaches failed. Apparently SC can check off the other favorable App coaching boxes but is failing in the wins/losses box so that trumps everything else. We get it, ultimately it does come down to wins and losses but typically there is something else that triggers a change- losing the locker room, off field issues, academic problems, etc. At some point in college athletics sanity has to come into play and a school can decide that they have the guy they want. Success and failure ebbs and flows.

It's like we're living in different worlds, this isn't App specific. It is far more often that wins and losses lead to coaching changes. Winning usually means they are hiring away, losing means your contract isn't renewed or bought out.

There isn't a scandal that is needed.

If someone underperforms in their job they don't wait for them to physically assault someone or steal from the company to fire them.

[Saint3333]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

This is revisionist history. There’s a reason Clark himself publicly said a stated goal for this team was to make the playoff.

Really? Coach speak is the answer?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomlayberg ... tradition/

“Being an alum and knowing what it takes to win, I’ve been a part of great championship runs here,” said Clark, an assistant at his alma mater under Scott Satterfield (2016-18) and Eliah Drinkwitz (2019) before assuming the lead role prior to the 2019 New Orleans Bowl. “There are high expectations at App State. It’s championship or bust.”

[BallantyneApp]

Again I will gladly discuss WVU if you start another thread for that purpose - this is about APP

ok we can be done if you are not going to explain your inconsistencies in expectations, but just please keep in mind that how you feel about WVU is how most of us feel about App.

[Saint3333]

*** App State is one of only five Group of Five
programs (and 14 FBS programs) in the country with at least three
nine-win seasons since the start of 2020.
***3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison
*** No losing seasons
*** Division Champions 2 of last 3 years

Again, these are facts not opinions and they are in the ballpark of W-L records - the only other reason I have seen is that the program is on a downward trend. Without question this is a down year but as pointed out last season we were division champs and won another bowl game. Only one other team in the SB world of 14 teams can say that.
In the last 6 years there have been 84 (give or take) teams playing for the 2 slots in the Conf.Champ game - those 12 slots have been filled by just 4 teams - APPSTATE 4 times --- LOUISIANA 4 times --- TROY 2 times and COASTAL 2 times
I know some who see a downward trend here - convince an impartial party that this is your case to fire the coach. None of us are impartial but some are totally impractical

Anecdotal stats are great:
- First team to miss bowl season, that GS loss was brutal
- First team to lose a bowl game, so many blowouts the last three years
- First team to having a losing record vs. the SBC, on pace for our second season
- First team to lose to ULL 0-4, CCU 1-3, ODU, and Texas St.
- First 0-3 start to conference play (including SoCon era)

If you don't believe the performance the last 4.5 years is a downward trend I would have to question your analytic skills.

[RaleighApp27609]

We never had the horses to run this race. Yes that is the fault of recruiting but it does not change the fact we didn't have them. Nobody who was not wearing rose colored glasses thought we were the team this year. I still can't get a really good answer as to why anyone thought so.

https://sunbeltsports.org/news/2024/7/2 ... -poll.aspx

Multiple pre-season magazines predicted us winning the conference this year as well.