We are in need of someone to take over the maintenance of the MMB. Yosef has done it for a long time, and we are grateful for all he has done, but life happens and he no longer has the time to devote to its upkeep. If anyone here is interested in helping to keep the board running, please let me know via DM.
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by MrCraig » Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:38 am
BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:09 am
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:44 am
Bad look on the athletics department based on Mack commentary. There are always two sides to the story. If his version is accurate, which I believe it is based another story from a board member that was put out yesterday, not a good look. The public knows he is leaving after state game. As such, potential coaching hires are already lined up. The JMU game pretty much sealed macks fate...and a recruiting class that was in the high seventies I believe.
I just can't take him seriously. His main focus is keeping his athletes "alive"? Give me a break. Cheat maybe did him a little dirty, but his martyr claim is ridiculous.
I call shenanigans on the whole thing. What he really meant was, "They asked me to step down earlier in the week, and I said not before you pay me my buyout."
I mean, this is a man who convinced Texas to let him "step down," still paid him his buyout, AND gave him a job in the athletic department.
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by MrCraig » Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:44 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:17 am
Mack Brown deserved to retire at a proper time - he made UNC football in the 90's - came back to revive it recently but under a different landscape not being real easy (Portal, Covid, NIL)
He's a helluva recruiter. UNC fans will never be 100% all in for football.
If Satt coulda have gotten Cincy to a Bowl game he would have been perfect for it, back home, easier conference, etc.
I think Drink would fit there really well with all the whine and cheese folk. Contract buyouts probably wouldn't work out, Bubba (the AD) needs to get it right and he needs to retire as well.
ECU, UNC, Charlotte all are open -- staff changes in Boone are coming..... news breaking soon.
Mack Brown didn't deserve anything. His buyout is more than he deserves. "He's a helluva recruiter." Yeah, that's why Spurrier called him Mr. February. The man had some of the best recruits in the nation almost every year and in his entire career he has 1 national title and 2 conference titles. That's it. Folks talk about Mack Brown in the same sentence as Urban Myer and Nick Saban. He's more like Gene Chizik and Tommy Tuberville.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:47 am
MrCraig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:38 am
BallantyneApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:09 am
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 7:44 am
Bad look on the athletics department based on Mack commentary. There are always two sides to the story. If his version is accurate, which I believe it is based another story from a board member that was put out yesterday, not a good look. The public knows he is leaving after state game. As such, potential coaching hires are already lined up. The JMU game pretty much sealed macks fate...and a recruiting class that was in the high seventies I believe.
I just can't take him seriously. His main focus is keeping his athletes "alive"? Give me a break. Cheat maybe did him a little dirty, but his martyr claim is ridiculous.
I call shenanigans on the whole thing. What he really meant was, "They asked me to step down earlier in the week, and I said not before you pay me my buyout."
I mean, this is a man who convinced Texas to let him "step down," still paid him his buyout, AND gave him a job in the athletic department.
I’m sure that when a school asks you to step down then there is still a buyout paid.
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by AppStFan1 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:48 am
MrCraig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:44 am
DenverOfTheEast wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:17 am
Mack Brown deserved to retire at a proper time - he made UNC football in the 90's - came back to revive it recently but under a different landscape not being real easy (Portal, Covid, NIL)
He's a helluva recruiter. UNC fans will never be 100% all in for football.
If Satt coulda have gotten Cincy to a Bowl game he would have been perfect for it, back home, easier conference, etc.
I think Drink would fit there really well with all the whine and cheese folk. Contract buyouts probably wouldn't work out, Bubba (the AD) needs to get it right and he needs to retire as well.
ECU, UNC, Charlotte all are open -- staff changes in Boone are coming..... news breaking soon.
Mack Brown didn't deserve anything. His buyout is more than he deserves. "He's a helluva recruiter." Yeah, that's why Spurrier called him Mr. February. The man had some of the best recruits in the nation almost every year and in his entire career he has 1 national title and 2 conference titles. That's it. Folks talk about Mack Brown in the same sentence as Urban Myer and Nick Saban. He's more like Gene Chizik and Tommy Tuberville.
The thing about this business is that winning matters most to people and there is so much money involved that nobody is owed anything. I know they appreciate what he did but the past does not give anyone the right to drive the car right off the cliff. ADs have to do what is in the best interest of their program moving forward.
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by BallantyneApp » Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:54 am
appstate24 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:45 am
Anybody else just constantly refreshing Twitter/X?
GO APPS!!
yes but i'm preparing myself for us to half-ass it and doom us to at least 2-4 more years of mediocrity and throw more good money after bad. Maybe shelf the east side plans. No reason to expand when we're actively working against our own interests.
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by EastHallApp » Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:25 am
JTApps1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:31 am
No to Satterfield coming back. That rarely ever works. Much of what led to his success here was the continuity of his staff. He's struggled to repeat that success as guys have moved on to other places. The SBC was also easier to win in back then. We need a fresh start IF Shawn is let go.
Looks like it's been sort of a mixed bag to me. Bill Snyder did well at K-State. I guess John Robinson was just so-so at USC. Mack actually improved UNC pretty fast, but couldn't really break through past the 8-9 win range. Chris Ault did pretty well at Nevada. Randy Edsall was a disaster at UConn. Bobby Petrino actually did pretty well at Louisville up until his last year, when they totally fell off a cliff.
I don't think the timing would work for Satt this year, but I could see it happening in the future. I'm not saying there are no questions to answer, but I think I'd start from a default of "why
couldn't he replicate the success he had here previously?" rather than "no, we just want a fresh start."
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by EastHallApp » Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:32 am
Mack has contradicted himself with some of his statements over the past couple weeks. So who knows what's true and what's spin.
The thing about wanting to announce it Friday is not in dispute, though; the AD himself said that in an interview a few days before Mack did.
I think UNC just wanted to fire him; Mack tried to create public pressure to keep him with some of his statements, which forced them into awkward timing; and when it didn't work, he claimed he agreed with their decision and just didn't like how they handled it.
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by Mjohn1988 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 12:45 pm
EastHallApp wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 11:25 am
JTApps1 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 9:31 am
No to Satterfield coming back. That rarely ever works. Much of what led to his success here was the continuity of his staff. He's struggled to repeat that success as guys have moved on to other places. The SBC was also easier to win in back then. We need a fresh start IF Shawn is let go.
Looks like it's been sort of a mixed bag to me. Bill Snyder did well at K-State. I guess John Robinson was just so-so at USC. Mack actually improved UNC pretty fast, but couldn't really break through past the 8-9 win range. Chris Ault did pretty well at Nevada. Randy Edsall was a disaster at UConn. Bobby Petrino actually did pretty well at Louisville up until his last year, when they totally fell off a cliff.
I don't think the timing would work for Satt this year, but I could see it happening in the future. I'm not saying there are no questions to answer, but I think I'd start from a default of "why
couldn't he replicate the success he had here previously?" rather than "no, we just want a fresh start."
Unfortunately things have changed dramatically from Satt’s time at App. Not saying he couldn’t succeed at App just saying past performance may not be a good indicator of future success. To succeed now a head coach has to navigate NIL and the portal.
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by AppSt94 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:33 pm
NattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 1:25 pm
Does Mack still keep a black bear at his property in Boone?
He has shared custody with Eric Church.
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by 8993 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:16 pm
Time to get really real: who’s up next?
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by appstate24 » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:30 pm
Very interested to hear some names. Obviously Tre Lamb’s name gets mentioned. Neal Brown is available and I think he would be good fit. Can’t wait to hear some names.
This job is easily one of the most attractive jobs available.
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by AppStateDieHard » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:31 pm
I do not understand the enthusiasm for Lamb, who *checks notes* has a worse record than Shawn. Please: Someone explain it to me like I'm three years old why Lamb would make a great fit and is someone who could led us to championships and the Playoff (which DG said is a goal here!).
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by asunate » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:37 pm
Might be a stretch but how about Bill Clark (former UAB)? He seems to be back in the names circling for other jobs.
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by MrCraig » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:39 pm
AppStateDieHard wrote: ↑Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:31 pm
I do not understand the enthusiasm for Lamb, who *checks notes* has a worse record than Shawn. Please: Someone explain it to me like I'm three years old why Lamb would make a great fit and is someone who could led us to championships and the Playoff (which DG said is a goal here!).
He's attractive because he's a name people know and he HAS turned around two programs (Gardner Webb and ETSU) in a very short time. However, I agree that I don't think he's the best fit for App and their plans.
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by BeauFoster » Mon Dec 02, 2024 2:40 pm
I’m a firm no on Neal Brown. Just don’t get the vibe from him.
Give 'em hell!