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[AppWyo]

Maybe, just maybe, all the talent we had just got worn out winning in 2019 and it showed in 2022. The same thing may have happened in 2023 and was exposed in 2024.

If Satterfield's system worked at APP, then why did it not work in Louisville and so far in Cincinatti?

[AppSt94]

Maybe, just maybe, all the talent we had just got worn out winning in 2019 and it showed in 2022. The same thing may have happened in 2023 and was exposed in 2024.

If Satterfield's system worked at APP, then why did it not work in Louisville and so far in Cincinatti?

Agree.Those classes from 2018 - 2021 had an embarrassment of riches in terms of talent. Particularly from a G5 level. Two coaches leveraged it into higher paying gigs and one lost his job because of it.

[Rollneers30]

Maybe, just maybe, all the talent we had just got worn out winning in 2019 and it showed in 2022. The same thing may have happened in 2023 and was exposed in 2024.

If Satterfield's system worked at APP, then why did it not work in Louisville and so far in Cincinatti?

Kids care less about buying into a system now. If the system doesn’t have incentives ($$) or they aren’t the focal point…they just leave. There has been a shift/disconnect between college coaches and players.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

[MtnMan14]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

I see this argument a lot, but do we really think that this sunbelt is that much better? A lot of mediocrity in the sunbelt right now if you ask me. Those Napier led Louisiana teams and Brown Troy teams were better than anything we currently have in the sunbelt. Maybe the mid tier sunbelt teams are better than they were, but the top teams are not, and we still won conference championships then. We also dominated Bowl games and those were against peer conferences. We were much better then. 2015-2019 (yes I know 2019 was Drink, but it was Satts guys) App teams would have dragged last years App team up and down the field. If suddenly every team in college football is better at the same time, maybe we are actually just worse and should accept that. It’s kind of that “it’s not my fault, it’s everyone else’s fault”, mentality. App has fallen and we need to right the ship.

[ASUFan4863]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

I see this argument a lot, but do we really think that this sunbelt is that much better? A lot of mediocrity in the sunbelt right now if you ask me. Those Napier led Louisiana teams and Brown Troy teams were better than anything we currently have in the sunbelt. Maybe the mid tier sunbelt teams are better than they were, but the top teams are not, and we still won conference championships then. We also dominated Bowl games and those were against peer conferences. We were much better then. 2015-2019 (yes I know 2019 was Drink, but it was Satts guys) App teams would have dragged last years App team up and down the field. If suddenly every team in college football is better at the same time, maybe we are actually just worse and should accept that. It’s kind of that “it’s not my fault, it’s everyone else’s fault”, mentality. App has fallen and we need to right the ship.

BINGO. I think fans do it as a way to compartmentalize the decline of App State Football. 2024 specifically was a down year for the conference. The East division especially was below average.

[Saint3333]

Maybe, just maybe, all the talent we had just got worn out winning in 2019 and it showed in 2022. The same thing may have happened in 2023 and was exposed in 2024.

If Satterfield's system worked at APP, then why did it not work in Louisville and so far in Cincinatti?

Maybe Satt and staff out recruited our peers for 3-4 straight years.

Maybe Satt and Drink were better Head Coaches, seems pretty evident with some hindsight.

[AppSt94]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

I see this argument a lot, but do we really think that this sunbelt is that much better? A lot of mediocrity in the sunbelt right now if you ask me. Those Napier led Louisiana teams and Brown Troy teams were better than anything we currently have in the sunbelt. Maybe the mid tier sunbelt teams are better than they were, but the top teams are not, and we still won conference championships then. We also dominated Bowl games and those were against peer conferences. We were much better then. 2015-2019 (yes I know 2019 was Drink, but it was Satts guys) App teams would have dragged last years App team up and down the field. If suddenly every team in college football is better at the same time, maybe we are actually just worse and should accept that. It’s kind of that “it’s not my fault, it’s everyone else’s fault”, mentality. App has fallen and we need to right the ship.

Satt had a winning % of .750 in a conference with an overall winning % of .452. The best teams in his era were Ark St (.609), Troy (.603) and Southern (.565). Louisiana was (.484) and the others were were in the .30s.

Clark was .62 in a conference that was collectively .52. The best teams of that era were Coastal (.703), JMU (.757), Louisiana (.703), Marsha (.641), South Alabama (.532) and Troy (.587). Two of those teams weren’t in the Sun Belt during Satt’s time and Coastal was here for only his last year.

In conclusion, one could argue that Clark wasn’t as good or didn’t maintain the “standard.” The numbers show that Satt’s teams were far superior to their competition and said competition got better over time.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

I see this argument a lot, but do we really think that this sunbelt is that much better? A lot of mediocrity in the sunbelt right now if you ask me. Those Napier led Louisiana teams and Brown Troy teams were better than anything we currently have in the sunbelt. Maybe the mid tier sunbelt teams are better than they were, but the top teams are not, and we still won conference championships then. We also dominated Bowl games and those were against peer conferences. We were much better then. 2015-2019 (yes I know 2019 was Drink, but it was Satts guys) App teams would have dragged last years App team up and down the field. If suddenly every team in college football is better at the same time, maybe we are actually just worse and should accept that. It’s kind of that “it’s not my fault, it’s everyone else’s fault”, mentality. App has fallen and we need to right the ship.

I think both can be true. Arkansas State and Louisiana were the kings of the Sun Belt when we joined and they were not really that good. I’d say even our current mediocre teams right now are better than all of the Sun Belt teams then. The Sun Belt when we joined was a clear last place conference behind MAC and USA. At the same time, our program has not risen with the rise of the conference, it’s stayed the same or declined. I personally think this year’s App team would have been one of the best teams if not the best team in 2015 Sun Belt. Just not good compared to today’s Sun Belt upper half. I agree that we needed a change because we completely fell off our trajectory after 2019, I’m just not sure Satterfield would make a difference anymore or done any better than Clark.

[Mjohn1988]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

How many guys off of Satt’s teams got a shot at the NFL? How many guys got a shot at the NFL in the last 3 years? Satt had better teams and much better players. The 18 and 19 teams would have destroyed the 24 team.

[Saint3333]

If you go 4-8 vs Marshall, CCU, JMU, and GS those teams will have a higher win percentage. Results vs our peers was the issue.

The SBC has more parity today than ever, but it doesn’t have a premier team, highest rated team was #57 in Marshall.

[AppWyo]

If you go 4-8 vs Marshall, CCU, JMU, and GS those teams will have a higher win percentage. Results vs our peers was the issue.

The SBC has more parity today than ever, but it doesn’t have a premier team, highest rated team was #57 in Marshall.

I believe that USM will expect to have Marshall's win percentage this season next season.

[Yosef10]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

How many guys off of Satt’s teams got a shot at the NFL? How many guys got a shot at the NFL in the last 3 years? Satt had better teams and much better players. The 18 and 19 teams would have destroyed the 24 team.

Yep spot on. Objective observers can call a spade a spade, the talent that is available to App has not been developed recently like it was in that 2015-2019 run. Coincidentally with Sirignano being hired at ECU, I wonder if his absence plays a role in that.

[Saint3333]

If you go 4-8 vs Marshall, CCU, JMU, and GS those teams will have a higher win percentage. Results vs our peers was the issue.

The SBC has more parity today than ever, but it doesn’t have a premier team, highest rated team was #57 in Marshall.

I believe that USM will expect to have Marshall's win percentage this season next season.

I don’t have evidence to argue for or against that. Not sure that matters to us.

[AppSt94]

Disagreeance is not lacking objectivity. It is merely a difference in perspective.

[Saint3333]

The perspective that the results the last three years wasn’t good enough was the prevailing perspective.

Disagreeing isn’t going to change that.

[Yosef10]

Disagreeance is not lacking objectivity. It is merely a difference in perspective.

At the end of the day facts are facts. Feel free to list the guys who ended up on NFL rosters over the last 3 years compared to any 3 year stretch of Satt/Drink. Development has unquestionably been an issue at App. Shouldn’t hurt anyone’s feelings to call it like it is.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Disagreeance is not lacking objectivity. It is merely a difference in perspective.

At the end of the day facts are facts. Feel free to list the guys who ended up on NFL rosters over the last 3 years compared to any 3 year stretch of Satt/Drink. Development has unquestionably been an issue at App. Shouldn’t hurt anyone’s feelings to call it like it is.

I’m not a Clark apologist but just saying Satterfield didn’t have his top players leaving for SEC schools. He hasn’t given me any reason since he left App to make me think he’d do much better than Clark the past few years. Not defending Clark, just saying they were coaching in different environments, both conference make up and different sets of rules. Satterfield’s advantage over Clark was finding diamonds in the rough and developing them into great talent. That doesn’t matter anymore because they’d leave for a paycheck once developed.

[Mjohn1988]

Disagreeance is not lacking objectivity. It is merely a difference in perspective.

At the end of the day facts are facts. Feel free to list the guys who ended up on NFL rosters over the last 3 years compared to any 3 year stretch of Satt/Drink. Development has unquestionably been an issue at App. Shouldn’t hurt anyone’s feelings to call it like it is.

I’m not a Clark apologist but just saying Satterfield didn’t have his top players leaving for SEC schools. He hasn’t given me any reason since he left App to make me think he’d do much better than Clark the past few years. Not defending Clark, just saying they were coaching in different environments, both conference make up and different sets of rules. Satterfield’s advantage over Clark was finding diamonds in the rough and developing them into great talent. That doesn’t matter anymore because they’d leave for a paycheck once developed.

I think we had one guy leave for an SEC school under Clark. Clark without a doubt had challenges that Satt didn’t have but there is really no dispute about who had better players. The decline in talent from 2019 to 2024 was frankly stunning.

[AppStFan1]

To be fair, Satterfield dominated in a weak Sun Belt. Those App teams lifted the Sun Belt and the conference got better as a result. I’m not sold on him being as successful in today’s Sun Belt.

We don't know that for sure but I can see why you would take that stance. Scott recruited and developed much better though. We can say the SBC was easier but he put way more players into the NFL if you count those he brought in to App than Clark did.

I can pretty much guarantee Jerry Moore would not have been. We would have maybe won one national title but certainly not the others. Armanti would have had a massive offer, along with several others.

I don't think this new era means we should lower our standard of making a bowl and winning 8 games but we definitely won't win 11+ games 3 or 4 years in a row until something is done in terms of legislation.

I get why many players want to stay in college forever because they are more free than NFL players and they know their chances of making it are much less.

We have talked about it before that if schools would refuse to do NIL and would not keep players for waiver years to prevent this back log that is encouraging players to transfer then most issues would go away. The reality is too many are willing to throw away money just to win rather than band together and spend more responsibly.