App Transfer Portal 2025 - OUT

[Stonewall]

The program operates at be a loss without student fees if I read the numbers correctly. Fees are now an issue , well more of an issue.

[bcoach]

The program operates at be a loss without student fees if I read the numbers correctly. Fees are now an issue , well more of an issue.

They will continue to be more of an issue. Student loans are out of control. Virginia took a positive step forward and has capped them. Schools can no longer just charge whatever they want. In fact jmu is having to reduce theirs. Let me start a war by saying they should be eliminated. They are nothing more than a junk fee.

[AppSt94]

The program operates at be a loss without student fees if I read the numbers correctly. Fees are now an issue , well more of an issue.

They will continue to be more of an issue. Student loans are out of control. Virginia took a positive step forward and has capped them. Schools can no longer just charge whatever they want. In fact jmu is having to reduce theirs. Let me start a war by saying they should be eliminated. They are nothing more than a junk fee.

In today’s world I would agree. They were much more relevant and justifiable back in the day when athletic venues such as KBS and Varsity were open to students to use.

[DoesntEvenGoHere]

If you could go back in time, say 2005 & I tell you that House vs NCAA will pass & there will be a massive movement to compensate athletes, how much different would things be now?

College athletics do not have a revenue generation problem, they have a spending problem.

That problem was created over decades of rules and policies being in place that have been changed rather quickly. In 2018 no one cared because all of the expenses were going to the betterment of the athletic department. We were building facilities, upgrading facilities, and hiring new positions in hopes of offering an equal or better athlete experience as our peers.

Well paying athletes is now one of those experiences, at least at the P4 level it will be. It's not long before it's at the G5 level. The goal isn't to make money, it's to make enough money to cover your expenses. If you can't make more, you need to spend less. The value of every hire, payout, purchase, contract for games, etc needs to be executed with perfection. This is what will get people fired in these decision making roles. The goal was never to generate revenue. The goal is to generate enough revenue that you can hire better coaches, build better facilities, and operate at an even higher operational cost. App State is never going to take 20mill in profit to the bank...no one does that aside from maybe a school like Ohio State.

[goapps93]

The program operates at be a loss without student fees if I read the numbers correctly. Fees are now an issue , well more of an issue.

They will continue to be more of an issue. Student loans are out of control. Virginia took a positive step forward and has capped them. Schools can no longer just charge whatever they want. In fact jmu is having to reduce theirs. Let me start a war by saying they should be eliminated. They are nothing more than a junk fee.

If the fee is eliminated will students then have to purchase tickets?

[JTApps1]

If the NCAA would have dealt with this along the way it could have been instituted gradually versus the current path. When the coaches started making north of $2M and universities were spending TV money on frivolous upgrades to facilities they should have had some self awareness to make changes then. Instead they kicked the can down the road and the dam broke.

The blame is with many parties, TV networks, conferences, NCAA, NFL, you, me.

You have a very valid point but when those upgrades were made all I ever heard is that is what players want. The battle cry is we need this to compete, and I heard that on here.

Paying them wasn't on the table, given a choice they would have taken a cost of living stipend. That was the bandaid the NCAA tried right before NIL. Who knows if the pace would have been slower to get where we are today, but I think he may have as the money available was lower.

They should have made it "legal" for players to capitalize on legit NIL opportunities, along with the cost of living stipend, but put strict rules in place against the pay for play that we see with collectives today. I could even be down with profit sharing for players at programs that can achieve it. Those proactive steps would likely have put us in a much better place.

[Saint3333]

If they were to ban athletic fees all but ~70 schools (60 in FBS) wouldn't have athletic programs. Or there would be some significant revenue sharing from those 60 to subsidize the G5 and FCS.

Posts the last 48 hours have me questioning our basic understanding of college athletic finances. This realization does help me understand the frustration from multiple perspectives however.

[Rick83]

When I was at App the football and basketball teams (and actually soccer when Usiyan was there) were part of my college experience that I loved and had no problem justifying the fees to support.

[BeauFoster]

So, uh, any news on transfers out? Or can I continue to ignore this thread?

[Stonewall]

When I was at App the football and basketball teams (and actually soccer when Usiyan was there) were part of my college experience that I loved and had no problem justifying the fees to support.

I agree. However I don’t know what the prevailing thought would be today among the student body and/or their parents.

[bcoach]

The program operates at be a loss without student fees if I read the numbers correctly. Fees are now an issue , well more of an issue.

They will continue to be more of an issue. Student loans are out of control. Virginia took a positive step forward and has capped them. Schools can no longer just charge whatever they want. In fact jmu is having to reduce theirs. Let me start a war by saying they should be eliminated. They are nothing more than a junk fee.

If the fee is eliminated will students then have to purchase tickets?

Why not? Offer them a season ticket option for those that want to go to games. Those that have no interest should not have to pay for our enjoyment.

[Saint3333]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

[bcoach]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

[spacemonkey]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

No one is forced to apply for attendance to Appalachian State University.....they choose to apply.

[AppWyo]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

No one is forced to apply for attendance to Appalachian State University.....they choose to apply.

Even some athletes in sports other than football chose to go to the school they go to based on the success of that school's football team. So in theory UNC-Ch's Basketball should get better based on the perceived success of their football team next season. Maybe not this season, but next season.

[goapps93]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

Students are admitted to all sports. How much are fees vs. season tickets to all sports?

[ASUTodd]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

So students shouldn't pay fees that go toward athletics?... So the fans should pay it all? I don't think so .... Most schools don't have the cash to fund it all... Ask our men's soccer team.

[bcoach]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

No one is forced to apply for attendance to Appalachian State University.....they choose to apply.

That is an incredibly weak response.

[bcoach]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

So students shouldn't pay fees that go toward athletics?... So the fans should pay it all? I don't think so .... Most schools don't have the cash to fund it all... Ask our men's soccer team.

Really? You said that? The fans should not pay for their entertainment?

[spacemonkey]

That would kill attendance, terrible idea.

The culture would suffer tremendously.

Then just keep forcing the entire student body to pay much more than the cost of a season ticket. I do understand finance is not a students major strength.

No one is forced to apply for attendance to Appalachian State University.....they choose to apply.

That is an incredibly weak response.

Weak but factual.