A sobering reality we are going to have to face

[Appmountaineers19]

Will there be a non-compete clause in the contract? Similar to the old transfer where school got to approve where transfer went.

I would imagine different items will be negotiated if/when a players union is formed and this moves forward.

[ASUTodd]

I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). Obviously lots of things to be ironed out but the way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.

Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to their max as well with the new rules in place.
They will be able to fully fund the sports deemed NCAA when they cut the other sports. As of now I don't think many schools are fully funded with the new scholarship allotments for every sport.

Everything we know and love about college athletics is fading away. It sucks but it's the reality going forward.

On a bright note....maybe men's soccer comes back to App State!

[Appmountaineers19]

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). Obviously lots of things to be ironed out but the way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.

Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to their max as well with the new rules in place.
They will be able to fully fund the sports deemed NCAA when they cut the other sports. As of now I don't think many schools are fully funded with the new scholarship allotments for every sport.

Everything we know and love about college athletics is fading away. It sucks but it's the reality going forward.

On a bright note....maybe men's soccer comes back to App State!

Take a look at the smaller universities success when it comes to soccer. It would be great if that happened.

[t4pizza]

A lot of these ideas sound good, but until there is either a national labor board decision calling athletes employees, collective bargaining between NCAA and athletes, or an anti trust exemption given by Congress all of these ideas would still most likely be shot down by the courts because they all still violate anti trust laws. We are in the wild wild west because we are dealing with a monopoly (that is what the Supremes have told us) and nobody has the power to do anything about it unless and until one of those 3 things happen. Collective bargaining is probably the quickest/easiest of the 3 but even then it is a monster undertaking considering the number of NCAA athletes. An anti trust exemption would give the most power back to the NCAA but not sure Congress wants to do that. And I doubt the schools or athletes really want to be treated as employees. So we are back to square one which is the wild west. It will change because it has to, it just isn't sustainable, but when it will change and what the new system will look like are the big questions.

[t4pizza]

Interesting conversation. A lot of great points of view and more questions than answers. With the athletes as the focal point and recipient of the NIL and very loose rules of the transfer portal - they could be eroding the very mechanism that is supplying the opportunity. It will be interesting to see if this is sustainable. In a way - the have and have not gap is widening. Even from the playoffs this year - there is a clear difference in the top teams and the other teams. Parity makes the sport better - we are now heading into the same teams competing for the title year end and year out.

I actually disagree with your last point about having the same teams competing for the title year in and year out. I think that is what we have seen for the past 25 years or so, but this year there were different teams competing and I expect the same next year. Sure, we might have the same conferences competing but I think the parity allows more teams to make a run. Look at this year alone, the final 4 have not won in a while. Ohio State last won in 2014 in the first year of the playoff, they have made other playoffs though. Texas hasn't won since before the playoffs, and Notre Dame and Penn State haven't won since the 80s. We will see more variety in the final 4 teams in my opinion because there is more parity and no team is able to stockpile 3 deep anymore. There is no great dominant unbeatable team this year and I expect that to become the norm.

[AppWyo]

However, when a player leaves your team for whatever reason, that opens up a roster spot for someone else. It is not just G five schools that are getting poached, even the big boys are poaching each other.

If money was the answer, then FSU would not have gone 2-10 this year.

Think about how many coaches have built their entire rosters through the transfer portal and failed to produce expected results...

Teams like Appalachian can be a pipeline to these bigger programs, by getting better players that play for a year or two and win big while here and then move on before they are worn out. Appalachian can survive and excel in this new college world. All of these NIL deals will cause their own problems. App and schools like App just need to get players that play as teammates. Football players that play as a team win as a team.

The new landscape is not the end, it is just a new way of doing things.

[BallantyneApp]

I think the poaching school must match NIL payment to the poached school. That way when you get a guy getting $700k, the poached school gets $700k added to their NIL salary cap and can afford to keep other players, limiting the losses of additional players or at least giving them the ability to find guys to backfill.

we're going to go to contracts. The writing is on the wall. We should have gone to contracts instead of every year free agency, but it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the powers that be knew that contracts wouldn't be tenable from nothing, so this destruction is intentional so fans across the country would be begging for contracts.

It'll be 2-4 year deals with a buyout the same as coaches contracts. If you get poached, the school has to pay the buyout clause. This protects the player, the school and removes the griminess of poaching players with tampering.

How do buyouts work for those that are asked to leave by the coaches due to under performance?

the same as any other buyout- we either pay it or wait for the contract to expire. Maybe we can add a school option for the last year like they have in NFL years for team/player options. This will be hashed out by contract lawyers. Can't have your cake and eat it too, buyouts work 2 ways.

Now, like any other contract, any clause can be waived with mutual agreement. Some players who want to drop down to FCS/lower G5 might be willing to forgo their buyout clause so they can sign with another team.

This all makes sense and I don’t disagree with any of it as it’s now a business and you have to treat it as such. There is certainly risk and reward for both sides. I can only look at this from a perspective of “what would I do?” If I’m negotiating a contract to play at a school, I’d want a clause that allows me to leave without compensatory damages due to a coaching change. In that instance, which seems plausible, a school like App would lose any leverage to recoup money owed for guys like Johnson, Donald, Hollifield, Hopper, and Schrader.

I’m not a lawyer, but I have watched Suits and if I can think of ways around it, some lawyer would as well.

anything and everything will be negotiable. But i'd stay away from acquiescing if I was the school.

[BallantyneApp]

I don't think the collectives will disappear when players are under contract. They'll just go underground and use the bagman again.

but they won't need a bagman since everything is above board. Tepper doesn't show up to Bryce youngs locker with a paper bag full of hundreds. He just pays him his salary.

There might be some actual name, image and likeness deals that make business sense happening.

[Appmountaineers19]

However, when a player leaves your team for whatever reason, that opens up a roster spot for someone else. It is not just G five schools that are getting poached, even the big boys are poaching each other.

If money was the answer, then FSU would not have gone 2-10 this year.

Think about how many coaches have built their entire rosters through the transfer portal and failed to produce expected results...

Teams like Appalachian can be a pipeline to these bigger programs, by getting better players that play for a year or two and win big while here and then move on before they are worn out. Appalachian can survive and excel in this new college world. All of these NIL deals will cause their own problems. App and schools like App just need to get players that play as teammates. Football players that play as a team win as a team.

The new landscape is not the end, it is just a new way of doing things.

At this point nobody is getting poached. When the powers to be allowed unlimited transfers and the loose meaning of the NIL - players are contract workers now and free to choose if they want to stay or go. Nothing is going to change until the P5/G5 split happens and they set their own rules and regulations. Then it will be interesting what is negotiated through labor talks. It gets dicey as well. I'm assuming not all sports are going to have the same representation at the bargaining table.

[AppSt94]

Will there be a non-compete clause in the contract? Similar to the old transfer where school got to approve where transfer went.

The non-compete clause could be difficult to enforce as it does create a restraint of trade issue.

[Yosef1986]

Interesting conversation. A lot of great points of view and more questions than answers. With the athletes as the focal point and recipient of the NIL and very loose rules of the transfer portal - they could be eroding the very mechanism that is supplying the opportunity. It will be interesting to see if this is sustainable. In a way - the have and have not gap is widening. Even from the playoffs this year - there is a clear difference in the top teams and the other teams. Parity makes the sport better - we are now heading into the same teams competing for the title year end and year out.

I actually disagree with your last point about having the same teams competing for the title year in and year out. I think that is what we have seen for the past 25 years or so, but this year there were different teams competing and I expect the same next year. Sure, we might have the same conferences competing but I think the parity allows more teams to make a run. Look at this year alone, the final 4 have not won in a while. Ohio State last won in 2014 in the first year of the playoff, they have made other playoffs though. Texas hasn't won since before the playoffs, and Notre Dame and Penn State haven't won since the 80s. We will see more variety in the final 4 teams in my opinion because there is more parity and no team is able to stockpile 3 deep anymore. There is no great dominant unbeatable team this year and I expect that to become the norm.

Maybe - the last point is certainly debatable. However, I still see a smaller "group" in the mix. As far as dry spells by certain teams - that is due to years and years of only 2 teams that make the championship game(selected by committee). The 12 team playoff has opened the door for teams that have been on the fringe and did just not make the 1 and only shot as the championship game. Assuming the 12 team playoff continues - it opens the door and gives more of a shot of the perceived top teams. Just one view - thanks

[appbanker]

https://www.si.com/college/boise-state/ ... jh13z85jd4

Interesting that the coach flat out calls it a "2 Million Salary Cap"

[AppfaninCAALand]

My BIL works in athletics at PSU. He said they are going to be straight up employees (1-2-3 year contracts, medical benefits, etc). Obviously lots of things to be ironed out but the way the model is trending Title 9 will be no more. Universities will decide what sports they want to field as NCAA or whatever entity comes along. All other sports will be club. G5's will have their own league within the next 5-7 years.

Even the big schools aren't fully funding every sport to their max as well with the new rules in place.
They will be able to fully fund the sports deemed NCAA when they cut the other sports. As of now I don't think many schools are fully funded with the new scholarship allotments for every sport.

Everything we know and love about college athletics is fading away. It sucks but it's the reality going forward.

Would it make more sense to break off big time college football into some sort of contract/licensed business not funded by the university or subject to Title9 and run everything else through the NCAA under something akin to a hybrid model between lower level D1 and D3?

[asumba95]

I don't watch much pro football and zero NBA. College athletics is being ruined except at the D-III level. I guess pro golf is my only option.

[Pikapp79]

I don't watch much pro football and zero NBA. College athletics is being ruined except at the D-III level. I guess pro golf is my only option.

Even pro golf is being ruined by greed. More Dateline for me.

[GreatAppSt]

Adapt or die off, hopefully we have enough time to evolve before going extinct.

[appstate2008]

What is our football team’s annual NIL budget? If Boise was at $2million, were we even at $1million?

[Seattleapp]

What is our football team’s annual NIL budget? If Boise was at $2million, were we even at $1million?

I just don’t see how any G5 can realistically keep pace. A lot on here think all we needed is a new coach. It remains to be seen if that’s all we need.

[Saint3333]

What is our football team’s annual NIL budget? If Boise was at $2million, were we even at $1million?

I just don’t see how any G5 can realistically keep pace. A lot on here think all we needed is a new coach. It remains to be seen if that’s all we need.

These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

[Seattleapp]

What is our football team’s annual NIL budget? If Boise was at $2million, were we even at $1million?

I just don’t see how any G5 can realistically keep pace. A lot on here think all we needed is a new coach. It remains to be seen if that’s all we need.

These two concepts are not mutually exclusive.

Agree but i believe there are a lot of unknowns. I’m hopeful DL rolls in with a great staff and can coach up the guys we are able to get. In the past that would be enough right? But after reading about Boise, it’s just going to be a never ending fight just to keep guys or get equally good guys, and that’s just to stay Competitive every year. It’s gonna be tough.