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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by appdaze » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm

KentHogan wrote:
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appdaze wrote:
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Stonewall wrote:
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Looking for eligibility time limits to go away.
So basically trying to become the USFL in that they want to become the NFL lite. SMH.
Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by AppinVA » Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:21 pm

appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:29 am
Stonewall wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:20 am
Looking for eligibility time limits to go away.
So basically trying to become the USFL in that they want to become the NFL lite. SMH.
Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by KentHogan » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am

appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:29 am
Stonewall wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:20 am
Looking for eligibility time limits to go away.
So basically trying to become the USFL in that they want to become the NFL lite. SMH.
Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by AppState89 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am

KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:21 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 10:29 am


So basically trying to become the USFL in that they want to become the NFL lite. SMH.
Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by fjblair » Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:20 am

AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:21 pm


Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
Be thankful you were able to experience the heyday of App State football. From early 2000's to about 2020, it was one hell of a run, magical at times. I wish Coach D the best and I hope the team has success, whatever that may look like, but this version of "college" football isn't what I signed up for.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by JTApps1 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:11 am

AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 12:21 pm


Yep, as soon as they start sharing revenue they would in their become employees. This means they can't be discriminated against due to age or anything of the sort. The only thing they could do would require them to be registered for classes. So yes, you could ha e any age at thay point.
I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
I'd take the names off the back at this point. Why should fans care to learn about them if they're just here for themselves?

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Mjohn1988 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:25 am

JTApps1 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:11 am
AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm


I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
I'd take the names off the back at this point. Why should fans care to learn about them if they're just here for themselves?
I’m with you guys on not being sure I have an interest in this going forward. But for now I’ll try to remember that the vast majority of guys playing for App and in the G5 aren’t getting paid. I think the whole thing will fall flat on its ass.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by ah59396 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:27 am

fjblair wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:20 am
AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm


I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
Be thankful you were able to experience the heyday of App State football. From early 2000's to about 2020, it was one hell of a run, magical at times. I wish Coach D the best and I hope the team has success, whatever that may look like, but this version of "college" football isn't what I signed up for.
It’s 1000% over. I agree though, I’m so happy I got to be here for the very best of App and college football. The toothpaste will never go back in the tube.

It’s a damn shame that we all have to watch the NFL-G league now. Crazy what greed can do (from all involved-including fans).
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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Stonewall » Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:46 am

Actually, we don’t have to. I’m giving it’s some time but if things don’t level out my time and money will go elsewhere.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by bcoach » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:21 pm

Stonewall wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:46 am
Actually, we don’t have to. I’m giving it’s some time but if things don’t level out my time and money will go elsewhere.
I just gave this years money to a DIV lll volleyball team. They were so thankful you would have thought we gave them a million dollars.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Stonewall » Tue Apr 22, 2025 2:25 pm

Something to be said for that. Gratitude? What a concept.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Mjohn1988 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:44 pm

We, the fans, do have some control over this mess.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Saint3333 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:52 pm

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:44 pm
We, the fans, do have some control over this mess.
G5 fans, sorry but we don't. The masses will continue to watch the same 40 schools on TV, while large donors brag about the funding they provide to their peers and coattail riders.

The biggest winners are the second tier "power" schools in football and basketball.

Second biggest winners are the walmart fans that never donated or went to games, but now get a better product on Saturday night.

The biggest losers are the upper tier G5 schools that did more with less the last two generations.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by PhillyApp1 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:04 pm

JTApps1 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:11 am
AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm
KentHogan wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 2:05 pm


I doubt that they will be able to require classes. Some kid will sue claiming that the school doesn’t require other employees to attend class, so why should an employee hired to play football have to attend class.

Once they’re employees, college athletics is truly done.
I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
I'd take the names off the back at this point. Why should fans care to learn about them if they're just here for themselves?
They should pay App to put their name on the back 😀

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by proasu89 » Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:59 pm

Pikapp79 wrote:
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After over 40 years of Yosef donations and season tickets my wife and I have decided to no longer contribute or buy season tickets. Don’t believe in the new system and not going to support something we don’t believe in.
Ticket holder since 2000. We did not renew this year and it really wasn’t a difficult decision. Will still donate to the YC and University and might buy some individual game tickets. The crazy thing is 3 years ago the wife and I were contemplating putting our name down for the proposed East Side Club Level. My how the landscape has changed.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Bootsy » Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:03 pm

PhillyApp1 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:04 pm
JTApps1 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 10:11 am
AppState89 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:45 am
KentHogan wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:16 am
appdaze wrote:
Mon Apr 21, 2025 7:03 pm


I think college athletics will survive. Olympic sports especially. Football, basketball, baseball will probably break away completely in our life times and be some new sort of athletic entity that pays the schools to use their name image and likeness to brand themselves as well as facility usage for the life span of the current stadiums. In the future they would build their own or buy the existing ones, or set up leases that would require schools to invest on facilities to keep the teams on campus.
Sounds like the end of college football to me.

Truth is, it’s already gone.

On the positive side, I’ll spend much less money in the Fall.

I figure I have one, maybe two seasons of this madness left in me, by that point what’s left of the spirit and soul of college football will be sucked dry.
Agree. I'm about done with this crap. I'm getting real close to being done with this madness. The names on the back of the jerseys used to matter, now, some are just a name that will be here one season and gone the next.
I'd take the names off the back at this point. Why should fans care to learn about them if they're just here for themselves?
They should pay App to put their name on the back 😀
At first, I laughed at your comment. Then I realized it’s a really great idea. Talk about turning the tables on these kids.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by Mjohn1988 » Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:27 am

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:52 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:44 pm
We, the fans, do have some control over this mess.
G5 fans, sorry but we don't. The masses will continue to watch the same 40 schools on TV, while large donors brag about the funding they provide to their peers and coattail riders.

The biggest winners are the second tier "power" schools in football and basketball.

Second biggest winners are the walmart fans that never donated or went to games, but now get a better product on Saturday night.

The biggest losers are the upper tier G5 schools that did more with less the last two generations.
If guys keep jumping from team to team I’m not so sure fans, even at the highest level won’t become disenchanted. But you are correct that the folks with no real association to the schools who simply turn the game on on Saturday won’t notice a difference.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by BambooRdApp » Wed Apr 23, 2025 10:23 am

Mjohn1988 wrote:
Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:27 am
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:52 pm
Mjohn1988 wrote:
Tue Apr 22, 2025 3:44 pm
We, the fans, do have some control over this mess.
G5 fans, sorry but we don't. The masses will continue to watch the same 40 schools on TV, while large donors brag about the funding they provide to their peers and coattail riders.

The biggest winners are the second tier "power" schools in football and basketball.

Second biggest winners are the walmart fans that never donated or went to games, but now get a better product on Saturday night.

The biggest losers are the upper tier G5 schools that did more with less the last two generations.
If guys keep jumping from team to team I’m not so sure fans, even at the highest level won’t become disenchanted. But you are correct that the folks with no real association to the schools who simply turn the game on on Saturday won’t notice a difference.
I disagree with last point. The non-alumni fans that are really into a particular school (let's say the blue collar worker)...they get into the players and the school they pull for as much or more , in many cases, than the actual college grads. They are getting disenfranchised as much or more...as, on average, they are making less in income and cannot fathom these young kids getting paid what they are...and the transfer from team is even worse for them as their only connection is the team (not the university as a whole)..Now, their favorite player that they followed for 3 or 4 years ...is now playing for a rival...if no other ties to university than the team ..I would say they are more disenfranchised... IMO
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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by AppWyo » Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:56 am

I am not really sure what the big deal is. Your school is your school. Things may change, but it is still your school. The changes are for everyone not just Appalachian. So, if everyone has to play by the same rules the system is fair. I would say that the system is fairer now than it has ever been in the past. We are just seeing the amount of money that is now involved that we never noticed before.

I believe what we are seeing more now, at least the vocal ones, are not entitled athletes as much as entitled fans, especially those that gamble on college sports.

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Re: NIL and future of NCAACF

Post by fjblair » Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:36 pm

AppWyo wrote:
Wed Apr 23, 2025 11:56 am
I am not really sure what the big deal is. Your school is your school. Things may change, but it is still your school. The changes are for everyone not just Appalachian. So, if everyone has to play by the same rules the system is fair. I would say that the system is fairer now than it has ever been in the past. We are just seeing the amount of money that is now involved that we never noticed before.

I believe what we are seeing more now, at least the vocal ones, are not entitled athletes as much as entitled fans, especially those that gamble on college sports.
LOL. Sure.

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