NIL and future of NCAACF

[AppWyo]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Buyouts work both ways.

Kids are getting fired now.

I can’t imagine that donors and administrators want to pay a kid “not” to play.

Other schools or rather their boosters may start to pay players to not play for certain schools.

[AppSt94]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Buyouts work both ways.

Kids are getting fired now.

I can’t imagine that donors and administrators want to pay a kid “not” to play.

Other schools or rather their boosters may start to pay players to not play for certain schools.

“A fool and his money are soon parted.”

[Bigdaddyg1]

I’ve often done stupid things with my money but I’ve never had stupid money. Such is the life of a booster with more money than sense.

[appst89]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

[Bigdaddyg1]

All of this being said if you took the sum total of every college athlete at every level in every sport what would be the realistic percentage who actually appreciate and will play for a free ride degree? This has to still be over 99%. There have always been and there will always be delusional kids who think they are better than they really are (mostly due to overbearing parents, coaches and family members) and this annual bunch usually washes out if they don’t get their heads straight and realize their opportunities. There are obviously still the very small number (as a percentage) who are actually potentially good enough to go pro. I don’t believe that this number grows every year. The problem we have now is the secondary group- the good athletes who are looking for the money grab, won’t be going pro and either throw away the academic opportunities or simply bounce from school to school. The NCAA for all its faults really has known the best way for college athletics to operate. While it was always ridiculous to punish coaches, players and programs for seemingly small infractions like buying a meal the governing bodies knew what would happen once pay for play and a portal went into effect.

Again if you look at the sum total of all college athletes a great majority still value the opportunity, love competing and simply play for the degree. This entire deal comes down to probably 5% of all college athletes.

[bcoach]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

It will be the death of Div 1 for sure. What will survive for sure is DIV 3 which is what all college sports should have been right along. I recently made a donation to a DIV 3 program earmarked for a specific sport and received thank you notes from some of the players. Where do you think my money is going next year.

[t4pizza]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

If there is an antitrust exemption from Congress, then there will be no need for collective bargaining because the NCAA would have teeth again and could enforce whatever regulations they came up with. Such is the power of the antitrust exemption.

[AppState89]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

It will be the death of Div 1 for sure. What will survive for sure is DIV 3 which is what all college sports should have been right along. I recently made a donation to a DIV 3 program earmarked for a specific sport and received thank you notes from some of the players. Where do you think my money is going next year.

Those players really APPRECIATE your donation. It means something to them. They will stay all 4 years and around 90% will graduate.

[appst89]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

If there is an antitrust exemption from Congress, then there will be no need for collective bargaining because the NCAA would have teeth again and could enforce whatever regulations they came up with. Such is the power of the antitrust exemption.

You have to have collective bargaining in conjunction with an antitrust exemption in order to keep the workers from being accused of illegal collusion. You can't have one without the other unless the purpose of the NCAA would just be to run roughshod over the players, and if that were the case, they would never get the antitrust exemption in the first place.

[t4pizza]

Some of the issues could be alleviated with multi year contracts. Make them with a very large buyout if player wants to transfer so developing school gets some renumeration for time spent developing player.
Does not solve all issues and sure it could be potentially challenged. But, try something and see what sticks

What if you want to fire the player?

Then he's fired, if there is cause based upon the terms of the contract.

Two things are going to happen: 1) There will be an antitrust exemption from Congress. This has to happen in order for there to be any limitations on movement and eligibility and salary cap, etc. 2) Deals will be collectively bargained like the pro sports leagues. This will effectively be the death of college sports, but it will allow something to survive.

If there is an antitrust exemption from Congress, then there will be no need for collective bargaining because the NCAA would have teeth again and could enforce whatever regulations they came up with. Such is the power of the antitrust exemption.

You have to have collective bargaining in conjunction with an antitrust exemption in order to keep the workers from being accused of illegal collusion. You can't have one without the other unless the purpose of the NCAA would just be to run roughshod over the players, and if that were the case, they would never get the antitrust exemption in the first place.

You're right (about the NCAA running roughshod) and that is probably why we haven't seen any real movement for an anti trust exemption yet. I think that the history of the NCAA has too many in Congress fearful that they will run roughshod if given the chance again. The problem with the collective bargaining is that it makes the players employees and there is very little (I am not aware of any) desire from the schools to have the players treated as employees. I have no doubt that Congress would force some concessions on the NCAA prior to granting an anti trust exemption but I doubt it would be collective bargaining simply because it doesn't seem like that avenue is desired by any power broker. It could just be the simple reminder that the antitrust exemption can be removed by Congress as easily as it is given and if the NCAA doesn't get with the times and be more equitable then they would lose the exemption. Time will tell, just hope it is sooner rather than later.

[appdaze]

Developing a true minor league system for the NFL would alleviate a lot of these issues. The NBA has the G league with 31 teams. MLB has its whole system. It's time for the NFL to have one. Let the high school seniors choose to go to the minors instead of going to college. Those that want to play college ball foe the prude, degree, and a bit of cash can go. Those that want to play for the development and contracted money can go to the minor league. Leave the 3 year in college limit like they currently have if you go the college route.

But the NFL won't do it.

[Saint3333]

Developing a true minor league system for the NFL would alleviate a lot of these issues. The NBA has the G league with 31 teams. MLB has its whole system. It's time for the NFL to have one. Let the high school seniors choose to go to the minors instead of going to college. Those that want to play college ball foe the prude, degree, and a bit of cash can go. Those that want to play for the development and contracted money can go to the minor league. Leave the 3 year in college limit like they currently have if you go the college route.

But the NFL won't do it.

The power school programs don't want that either.

[AppSt94]

Developing a true minor league system for the NFL would alleviate a lot of these issues. The NBA has the G league with 31 teams. MLB has its whole system. It's time for the NFL to have one. Let the high school seniors choose to go to the minors instead of going to college. Those that want to play college ball foe the prude, degree, and a bit of cash can go. Those that want to play for the development and contracted money can go to the minor league. Leave the 3 year in college limit like they currently have if you go the college route.

But the NFL won't do it.

The problem with all those “minor” league is that they are all irrelevant in terms of media coverage and exposure.

[Appmountaineers19]

They should do it like the MLB. If you go to the minor leagues out of high school - most have a clause in their contract that college gets paid for after their "careers". Just like the other sports, there's going to be a lot of advanced projecting and guess work when it comes to prospects that young - not sure the NFL is into that. I would add a caveat - If you don't get drafted in HS you can still play in college. Pipe dream I know. I'm betting 1 and 2 years employee contracts are closer than we think.

Still doesn't help answer the NIL and TP situation though.

[fjblair]

It is inevitable, write it down and revisit this within two years.

I have as much clarity about this as I had with the NIL slippery slope, FBS transition, and not allowing kids to attend schools during COVID.

I would add the no cups and ice decision to that list.

[Bootsy]

While this conversation is delightful, I imagine we’re all looking forward to actually discussing sports again.

Hurry up and get here, August

[Saint3333]

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-footba ... 52210.html

"Sign or we're not playing you."

So we have a choice to get on board now and live through the farce that we aren't feeding grounds for players for five years or we can fast forward and break away now and let the semi-professionals pretend they aren't a AAA professional organization with loose ties to universities.

You know the G5 programs are going to cave and suffer through the farce.

[appst89]

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-footba ... 52210.html

"Sign or we're not playing you."

So we have a choice to get on board now and live through the farce that we aren't feeding grounds for players for five years or we can fast forward and break away now and let the semi-professionals pretend they aren't a AAA professional organization with loose ties to universities.

You know the G5 programs are going to cave and suffer through the farce.

Rick Neuheisel talked a lot about this yesterday. He said he doesn't think there is any way that this organization can force an institution to sign a document that violates the laws of the state in which the institution is located.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I always circle back to the 5 percent rule of thumb. Most serious issues in society are generally caused by the 5 percenters- 95% live life within the bounds of both the law and common decency. In college sports we have always had the 5% who either demand something beyond the standard like being paid over a full ride scholarship. Take the entirety of every college sport and level and ultimately only 5% (or less) probably are at the level of truly elite who can make the argument that they should be paid- based on some sort of ROI. Other than the fan entertainment aspect no NAIA, D3, D2 or FCS athletes really generates enough buzz to equate to a paycheck. Take out a huge chunk of the next level as well.

In terms of a minor league system most would agree that the drop off from any pro league to the minors is significant. We have a single A baseball team here and while they play some fun and entertaining games they mostly serve as a fun time out for fans. We have had some lower level basketball and hockey teams here as well. Mostly those games are awful. The Spring pro football leagues are also terrible for the most part and usually they fail. There is a reason why you never see much minor league baseball televised. I’ve never watched a second of a G League game. I’m also willing to bet that zero 18 year old football players would be drafted by an NFL team.

[Stonewall]

"salaries that are masquerading as endorsements or commercial contracts" , my point as made previously, that is not "NIL" it is "pay to play" .And it is , once again , blowing up.