We need a good offensive coordinator

[ASUFan4863]

Watkins was coaching the WRs if that is what you are referencing.

[Pikapp79]

He is responsible, regardless.

Same with Dabo. He buys the groceries.

[Tru2ASU]

Probably out of our pay grade, Skip Holtz is available..

[AppStFan1]

Probably out of our pay grade, Skip Holtz is available..

Definitely don't want Skip. I am hoping the buzz is true that Loggains is going to bring in an OC. There was rumor that Gillin told him to do it and I honestly think that would be a smart move to help Loggains

[ASUFan4863]

He did call Jerry Neuheisel. No way in hell I think he comes here, but it shows his thinking in terms of looking for an OC. Loggains has always been open to one, it just didn’t line up well last year. Everything was a crunch last year and this year is not so I’m interested to see the differences. I think the first hire, Pugh, was already a positive step.

[CoachRob]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

[Stonewall]

My thought is that you are either a head coach or an OC. I don’t see how you juggle both especially given all of the new demands on your time.

[CoachRob]

Didn't Eli Drinkwitz call plays as the HC here and still does at Mizzou? It may not be overly common, but isn't unheard of. I'm sure there are other examples. Kiffin maybe comes to mind.

[Seattleapp]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

[CoachRob]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

[Bootsy]

Wearing both the HC and OC hats is possible, but doing it well is the exception rather than the rule. Besides, it’s definitely too much to ask of a guy who’s never been a HC before and Gillin should’ve known better.

Lesson learned…let’s move forward, shall we?

[Seattleapp]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Next year will tell the tale and it’s hard to decipher the two. I’m sure there were moments when the right play was called and the players didn’t execute but I’m sure there were just as many times when play called resulted in disaster.

[AppWyo]

What we need is a healthy lefthanded mobile quarterback.

Their blindside is always on the wrong side, so teams have problems coping with that.

[BambooRdApp]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Next year will tell the tale and it’s hard to decipher the two. I’m sure there were moments when the right play was called and the players didn’t execute but I’m sure there were just as many times when play called resulted in disaster.

It is difficult to say this play or that play cost App. St. a game. However, the change in play calling in red zone to pass when running the ball was working did not help especially with to young QBs in bowl game..another example..So. Miss was a good example. 7 was having a day early on. Several redzone INTs did not have to happen if 7 was fed. Bowl game...Give Wilson the opportunity to portion. It was working. So, yes, play calling can most definitely make it difficult to win. One can say execution if one wants, however, the offense was not set up for success..what I mean is...do what got you there. It was apparent that Wilson's run game exceeded his ability to read a pass D on a short field. Just my opinion. Yes, I believe our play calling did not set us up for success... IMHO

[CoachRob]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Next year will tell the tale and it’s hard to decipher the two. I’m sure there were moments when the right play was called and the players didn’t execute but I’m sure there were just as many times when play called resulted in disaster.

I agree with this.
I personally feel lack of disciplined talent in key areas was the greatest cause for our failures this year. But next year will tell us more.

[Seattleapp]

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Next year will tell the tale and it’s hard to decipher the two. I’m sure there were moments when the right play was called and the players didn’t execute but I’m sure there were just as many times when play called resulted in disaster.

I agree with this.
I personally feel lack of disciplined talent in key areas was the greatest cause for our failures this year. But next year will tell us more.

I appreciate the civil dialogue.

[Bootsy]

With all of the TP departures we’re seeing, it will be more difficult to compare the 2025 and 2026 App squads.

[t4pizza]

I’m not sure I buy the idea that DL is a bad play caller.

My issue is with our QB play. In my 25+ years watching App St football, that was the worst QB room we’ve had, relative to our competition. It was a huge red flag we didn’t have a starter named/known until the first snap of the season. For the record, I was hoping our starter was going to be Wilson for Game 1.

I have no idea what we will do at QB now, but DL has to be scrambling. If I were him, I’m taking a long look at the FCS level for a proven winner/starter that we can lure away with our NIL that FCS levels can’t compete with.

I'm going to agree with this. I can not point to a specific moment where DLo did a horrible job in play calling this year. However, I can point to specific moments when certain players didn't execute.

With the loss of a couple key OL early combined with poor QB play, I thought offense was somewhat limited in it's ability and DLo did well with what he had. Especially when Dubinion & Cummings got hurt, play calling became very difficult to what playbook looked like at the start of the year.

So all season Loggains called flawless games and it was 100% on the players for any failures? Doesn’t that also fall on coaching if players aren’t executing? It’s ok to say Loggains was on the job training, saying he did a great job, but the players failed him all season seems like not the best take either when it’s his team

Does any coach call a flawless game? Or any player play a perfect game? If you find either, you have found the National Champion.

I do not find it reasonable to put most blame for the players not executing on the coach in his 1st year. It takes a while to change bad habits. (Not saying previous staff created bad habits, just pointing out changes take time). There needs to be a period of grace before blame can be given.

I can specifically pin point moments where player's did not execute directly leading to a lose. Where are the specific moments where DLo lost us a game with his play calling???

Go back and read through the game threads, there are many examples of objective bad play calls made during the game. Asking for specific ones months afterwards is a difficult ask as we tend to forget things. But I know that during the games, the board would light up when he made bad calls. Not saying the reactions were always appropriate, but it will give you plenty of the examples that you seek.

[AppGrad78]

I didn’t agree with every call Loggains made this season. I would have liked to have seen more full-bore, hurry-up offense in the third quarter in the bowl game, for example. But overall Loggains calls a good game. Not everybody on message boards is qualified to criticize play-calling. Last Monday, when we faced fourth-and-10ish at about the Georgia Southern 25, Loggains made the right call in electing for a field goal. Some on here are convinced Loggains made the wrong call. He didn’t. Had we executed properly, the field goal would have cut the deficit to 16 points, points we would eventually have to score for a comeback. You’d be hard pressed to find an offensive coordinator in the country who would have done otherwise. The point is, many of the folks who criticize Loggains’ play-calling aren’t exactly offensive geniuses.

[pop5app]

I didn’t agree with every call Loggains made this season. I would have liked to have seen more full-bore, hurry-up offense in the third quarter in the bowl game, for example. But overall Loggains calls a good game. Not everybody on message boards is qualified to criticize play-calling. Last Monday, when we faced fourth-and-10ish at about the Georgia Southern 25, Loggains made the right call in electing for a field goal. Some on here are convinced Loggains made the wrong call. He didn’t. Had we executed properly, the field goal would have cut the deficit to 16 points, points we would eventually have to score for a comeback. You’d be hard pressed to find an offensive coordinator in the country who would have done otherwise. The point is, many of the folks who criticize Loggains’ play-calling aren’t exactly offensive geniuses.

Agree . An honest question: is a play a bad call because it didn’t work?