Birmingham Bowl

[Bootsy]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

Only 2 of the 8 teams left in cfp playoffs have QBs that run effectively.
Not sure if you mean a package for a QB or you are stating you have to have a running QB as the starter to win
I think you can have a package. Although not a QB, Dook used Castle in short yardage situations. Stink brought in the "big guy" QB in short yardage situations.

I don’t think we need a “running QB” a la AE or Cadet (though it is fun to watch)… more of Lamb/Thomas will do. JJ actually showed glimpses of it this season but it was way too rare of an occurrence. If the D is gonna give you 5 or 6 yds, take it vs throwing a low percentage pass/taking a sack. We gave up sooo many yards this year not having the QB take what he could on a busted or pocket collapsing play.

Exactly...i am not talking about a run first quarterback....but he has to be able to run for 5 yards when the defense is leaning one way.

True; Chase Brice was no dual threat, but he knew when to tuck the ball and pick up yardage when green grass was in front of him.

[bcoach]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

What stats and scores? He was never given a chance.

[Seattleapp]

With Georgia Southern and Clay Helton, the biggest difference is Helton recruited all of those players where Loggains inherited the majority of his.

How many guys did Loggains bring in? Not a trick Question and I’ll be curious to see how many stick around to play for him next year

[bcoach]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

I would sure as hell would install some playes for the RPO guy when I saw the other two were going to get me nowhere. If the other two were avalible I still would have some plays for him in the nothing to lose bowl game. There was no QB in the room who was going to get me to 9 wins during the season. If that one pocket passer could do the job he would be at a P4.

[CoachRob]

I really don't get all this hating on DLo and his play calling. You may have to point out something specific, but I don't see it.
What I do remember is:
-2 starting OL going down in 1st two games.
-QB throwing 3 1st half redzone pics vs S Miss.
-WR dropping a wide open game sealing TD pass vs Coastal
-WR not focused enough to get lined up negating a great play call & game sealing TD vs Arky State.

Hate on the coach all you want, but the players just didn't execute like they should have this year, specifically leading to 3 losses as just pointed out. OL was banged up, DL had little pass rush, and the secondary was average at best. But most importantly, worse QB play we've had since being FBS.

And for all the coach coaches out there yelling to "Run the Ball" in the redzone, understand defenses become much tighter as the deep ball is no longer the threat, a good offense scheme must have a boot/RPO/HB Swing or some pass to keep from being predictable.

[BambooRdApp]

Unless you are way more talented and bigger in all aspects of the game, I don't know how you design an offense without plays for a running quarterback and win. It is too easy to defend against a slow quarterback. We have been watching it first hand for years.

Only 2 of the 8 teams left in cfp playoffs have QBs that run effectively.
Not sure if you mean a package for a QB or you are stating you have to have a running QB as the starter to win
I think you can have a package. Although not a QB, Dook used Castle in short yardage situations. Stink brought in the "big guy" QB in short yardage situations.

I don’t think we need a “running QB” a la AE or Cadet (though it is fun to watch)… more of Lamb/Thomas will do. JJ actually showed glimpses of it this season but it was way too rare of an occurrence. If the D is gonna give you 5 or 6 yds, take it vs throwing a low percentage pass/taking a sack. We gave up sooo many yards this year not having the QB take what he could on a busted or pocket collapsing play.

That is kind of my point. We do not need a run first QB. Especially one that is not that accurate. In last night's game. Beck ran fir only 20 or so yards. On one of them the line parted like the Sea of Galilee. That's all you need. Zac was successful in the run game because he did not run all the time. Only when it was required.. and when the call was made.
However, I will take a running QB if he can complete 60% or more if his throws.

[BambooRdApp]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

I would sure as hell would install some playes for the RPO guy when I saw the other two were going to get me nowhere. If the other two were avalible I still would have some plays for him in the nothing to lose bowl game. There was no QB in the room who was going to get me to 9 wins during the season. If that one pocket passer could do the job he would be at a P4.

DLo probably thought AJ would get him 9 wins. .. especially after UNCC game. Wilson was sitting 4th or 5th on depth chart. I am not defending DLo or criticizing him. I do not know the guy However, I know I would have installed a more pocket passing type offense given the totality of the QB room... especially when the 4th string guy is not near in accuracy during practice sessions.
Can Wilson develop to be more accurate. Maybe. Only time will tell.

[BambooRdApp]

DLo stated he should have helped him with development. He did not say he was better than AJ or JJ.

And now we'll never know if he could have been. NIL money talks.

Let's roll this back. I am a new head coach. My QB room consists of AJ, JJ, G, and Wilson. 3 pocket passers and one RPO guy. One of my pocket passers actually played at a Power school to parlay that into an opportunity at LSU. If I am the head coach st App. St , I am sure in the hell not going to install an RPO offense that only one QB could potentially effectively run..and zero D1 experience at QB.

If I am the head coach I run with an offense that will work with the QB the most ready coming out of camp. I don't give up and move on from the only truly mobile QB on my roster. DLo is supposed to be the QB guru. This should have been right in his wheelhouse.

Also, coming from a P4 AJ did better at Vandy than he did for us. QB guru indeed.

JJ was an unkown as he rode the pine.

DLo probably knew going into this season that his QBs would be gone at the end of the season and had not the wherewithal to develop a young QB on his roster for the future that probably wouldn't cost an NIL arm and a leg like what we will probably bring in again. He makes too much money to not make better decisions about the future with what he had at the time this season. I think it appears he is aware of this as well and has probably been told as much by those that move and shake. We will never know what Wilson was or wasn't capable of. That is the factual truth. All we can do now is move forward and hope DLo can to better in the future.

And that QB coming out of camp was AJ.
Hindsight on a comparison of AJ at Vandy to App, is Monday morning QB. DLo or any other coach goes with what he sees from past history and camp play. Given the offense installed, AJ was selected as the starter.

[fjblair]

Some of yall are crazy. How can you question a coach’s talent evaluation when you look at results? App played literally the same team twice, once with starters and once with mostly 3-4th string guys. The starters lost by 2, the backups lost by 19.
Wilson and a couple other players showed some flash in the bowl game, but they clearly aren’t quite ready for prime time.

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

That's complete nonsense. In the context of this conversation stats prove nothing whatsoever.

[MrCraig]

Georgia Southern played with their starters and did not run all over Appalachian with our backups. Appalachian could have very easily won the game had the turnovers not happened where they did on the field. They were playing like our starters, turning the ball over at key times and in key places.

I would have to say that Georgia Southern is in a lot worse place than we are right now, especially with French entering the portal.

100% agree with your last statement. If I was a Stink fan, I’d be miserable with my team right now.

I understand your first point, but it also sort of supports my main point. Some folks on this board are acting like DLo is an idiot because he didn’t run out the starting lineup from the B-Ham bowl all season. The guys who played on Monday were not better than the guys who played back in November RIGHT NOW. They may, and I certainly hope they do, develop into great players.

Disagree. Wilson is / was a better option at QB than both of the guys who shared that position plus Gillon. He just never got the chance to show it.
If all four of the guys who played QB for us at ant point this year were all coming back next year who would you start?

AJ or JJ, easily. Personally, I’d go JJ.
Wilson had the chance to show what he could do every time they practiced, and the coaches clearly saw the other guys were better. He COULD have been used in change-of-pace situations, but he clearly wasn’t a better QB than AJ or JJ. The stats and scores prove that.

That's complete nonsense. In the context of this conversation stats prove nothing whatsoever.

It’s a small sample size, but Wilson and AJ played primary QB against the same Georgia Southern team. AJ performed statistically much better than Wilson did.

I’ll reiterate my main point one last time, if DLo had spent the season trying to develop Wilson, App would’ve lost more games by larger margins and this board would’ve been calling for his head even more than they are now.

[Yosef84]

Regarding Wilson, I think he played pretty well considering the situation. He had a depleted team around him. He provided a huge spark in the running game that neither AJ nor JJ added. His passing game had flashes but obviously turnovers (bad decisions / execution) were an issue. That's not hard to understand given he has spent the season playing defense. I actually thought Gillon did ok as well (again...turnovers). I don't know that either is ready to lead the team, but I appreciate their effort in the game and hope we can hang onto one or both in the QB room. Wilson does seem to have a higher ceiling.

[311neers]

Props to Wilson for running all over the place. That was a good showing for him.
He should be able to give SoCon defenses fits next year.