Roster/Staff Updates

[Yosef10]

I’m always intrigued by “the numbers”. As far as players go, on average each year, how many are really considered premier level talent? I wonder about this % mainly in terms of portal movement. I’ve heard that perhaps 40% of the players who enter the portal each year never land at a new school. Obviously the loss of roster continuity is killer for us and most schools at our level. The big boys have always simply reloaded and that won’t ever change. We talk about losing talented players each year but has anyone really analyzed that? We have had a few guys “move up” so to speak for the money but over the past several seasons how many former App guys have gone P4 and actually played? Again, the constant roster turnover is terrible but are we really losing a massive amount of talent? Are we, for the most part just swapping for the same guys?

Don't you just hate it when your serious comments and questions just get lost among other tangents.

I do believe that the problem the elite programs are having is that the players they were sitting on are now moving to other schools just to play not a bigger payday. The programs that cry the most are the ones that are having the most trouble winning with the new system that were winning with the old system.

Have you looked at the preseason top 25? It’s literally all the usual elite programs at the top. I know it’s a subjective poll but the playoffs will still be filled with alot of those schools. these kids aren’t suddenly leaving schools for the love of the game. Everyone is throwing money around. What you are seeing here and there are other schools getting a huge donation so they can buy better players.
You actually are looking at it completely opposite. Different sport but look at every decent big man we have in basketball that gets gobbled up by a bigger program as soon as that check book comes out. I think some fringe players on the elite programs aren’t getting the money they want or a being told there’s not a place for them. So they look downward for a place to land.

He’s right on his first point though. The bluest of blue bloods no longer have their rosters stacked with the same level of talent 1-85 anymore. Still elite first teamers, but injuries now cause variance that wasn’t really there prior to there not being a penalty for transferring.

[biggie]

[biggie]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... p-freshmen

"Group of 6

1. Jamel Howse, TE, App State: A four-star tight end, Howse is App State's second four-star recruit in the ESPN recruiting rankings era since 2006 and its highest-graded recruit since Grant Tucker in 2023. Dowell Loggains first built a relationship with Howse at South Carolina and now has a unique weapon at his disposal. Howse brings tight end size and length with receiver fluidity and speed, giving the Mountaineers a big-play pass catcher who can win vertically."

[311neers]

I’m always intrigued by “the numbers”. As far as players go, on average each year, how many are really considered premier level talent? I wonder about this % mainly in terms of portal movement. I’ve heard that perhaps 40% of the players who enter the portal each year never land at a new school. Obviously the loss of roster continuity is killer for us and most schools at our level. The big boys have always simply reloaded and that won’t ever change. We talk about losing talented players each year but has anyone really analyzed that? We have had a few guys “move up” so to speak for the money but over the past several seasons how many former App guys have gone P4 and actually played? Again, the constant roster turnover is terrible but are we really losing a massive amount of talent? Are we, for the most part just swapping for the same guys?

Don't you just hate it when your serious comments and questions just get lost among other tangents.

I do believe that the problem the elite programs are having is that the players they were sitting on are now moving to other schools just to play not a bigger payday. The programs that cry the most are the ones that are having the most trouble winning with the new system that were winning with the old system.

Have you looked at the preseason top 25? It’s literally all the usual elite programs at the top. I know it’s a subjective poll but the playoffs will still be filled with alot of those schools. these kids aren’t suddenly leaving schools for the love of the game. Everyone is throwing money around. What you are seeing here and there are other schools getting a huge donation so they can buy better players.
You actually are looking at it completely opposite. Different sport but look at every decent big man we have in basketball that gets gobbled up by a bigger program as soon as that check book comes out. I think some fringe players on the elite programs aren’t getting the money they want or a being told there’s not a place for them. So they look downward for a place to land.

He’s right on his first point though. The bluest of blue bloods no longer have their rosters stacked with the same level of talent 1-85 anymore. Still elite first teamers, but injuries now cause variance that wasn’t really there prior to there not being a penalty for transferring.

I don't know about that. You look at the elite rosters and they are still 2-4 deep with 4 and 5*s. The backups are getting paid hundreds of thousands for depth and to sit on the bench still.
It's still the same schools as before but NIL/salary also opens up the door for the Indiana's/Texas Techs of the world who can spend $30m on rosters. Slightly more disparity than before.

[BambooRdApp]

I’m always intrigued by “the numbers”. As far as players go, on average each year, how many are really considered premier level talent? I wonder about this % mainly in terms of portal movement. I’ve heard that perhaps 40% of the players who enter the portal each year never land at a new school. Obviously the loss of roster continuity is killer for us and most schools at our level. The big boys have always simply reloaded and that won’t ever change. We talk about losing talented players each year but has anyone really analyzed that? We have had a few guys “move up” so to speak for the money but over the past several seasons how many former App guys have gone P4 and actually played? Again, the constant roster turnover is terrible but are we really losing a massive amount of talent? Are we, for the most part just swapping for the same guys?

Don't you just hate it when your serious comments and questions just get lost among other tangents.

I do believe that the problem the elite programs are having is that the players they were sitting on are now moving to other schools just to play not a bigger payday. The programs that cry the most are the ones that are having the most trouble winning with the new system that were winning with the old system.

Have you looked at the preseason top 25? It’s literally all the usual elite programs at the top. I know it’s a subjective poll but the playoffs will still be filled with alot of those schools. these kids aren’t suddenly leaving schools for the love of the game. Everyone is throwing money around. What you are seeing here and there are other schools getting a huge donation so they can buy better players.
You actually are looking at it completely opposite. Different sport but look at every decent big man we have in basketball that gets gobbled up by a bigger program as soon as that check book comes out. I think some fringe players on the elite programs aren’t getting the money they want or a being told there’s not a place for them. So they look downward for a place to land.

He’s right on his first point though. The bluest of blue bloods no longer have their rosters stacked with the same level of talent 1-85 anymore. Still elite first teamers, but injuries now cause variance that wasn’t really there prior to there not being a penalty for transferring.

I don't know about that. You look at the elite rosters and they are still 2-4 deep with 4 and 5*s. The backups are getting paid hundreds of thousands for depth and to sit on the bench still.
It's still the same schools as before but NIL/salary also opens up the door for the Indiana's/Texas Techs of the world who can spend $30m on rosters. Slightly more disparity than before.

It seems the trickle down effect is that Group conferences are having the depth issues. A starter may go to a Power school, collect a couple hundred thousand as an insurance policy and may never see the field.