11-1 and SBC champs per Massey Ratings

[bcoach]

They have bigger and faster players. Coaching plays a part of every game but they have bigger and faster players. The hype probably had some to do with it but they have bigger and faster players. Did I mention they have bigger and faster players?

[CVAPP]

What's constructive about saying we were out coached? Satterfield would have beaten us with Miami's players.

Do you even enjoy your own petulance? Like many before me, I am growing tired of it.

[EastHallApp]

I don't agree with NewApp that often, but I have to admit it's pretty funny that message board posters think what they're saying is "constructive criticism." I'm sure our coaches will appreciate the expert tutelage.

[hapapp]

I don't agree with NewApp that often, but I have to admit it's pretty funny that message board posters think what they're saying is "constructive criticism." I'm sure our coaches will appreciate the expert tutelage.

I think it is more of an observation than any constructive criticism. I don't believe anyone is suggesting that they are offering advice to the staff. I don't think we were prepared for what Miami threw at us. Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference.

[WVAPPeer]

" Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference."

Hap - that statement is the core of my argument - Does anyone think that if Coach Satterfield had coached his best game ever and Richt, as he did, used his team's superior speed and talent to the fullest, that we could have won that game?

[bcoach]

" Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference."

Hap - that statement is the core of my argument - Does anyone think that if Coach Satterfield had coached his best game ever and Richt, as he did, used his team's superior speed and talent to the fullest, that we could have won that game?

No

[CVAPP]

" Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference."

Hap - that statement is the core of my argument - Does anyone think that if Coach Satterfield had coached his best game ever and Richt, as he did, used his team's superior speed and talent to the fullest, that we could have won that game?

Yes, or at least we would not have been taken to the woodshed in our own stadium.

Disclaimer for drama queens:
This statement is not to be confused as advice or calling for staff changes. It's a mundane message board observation.

[WVAPPeer]

It was 24-10 well into the 3rd Q and should have been 24-17 - After that it did go down quickly --- If you sincerely answer yes to my question I applaud your support for APP but .........

[CVAPP]

It was 24-10 well into the 3rd Q and should have been 24-17 - After that it did go down quickly --- If you sincerely answer yes to my question I applaud your support for APP but .........

The game was never close and never felt that way. We were down 24-0. Sure Cox's touchdown run woulda, coulda, shoulda, didn't...but the hold that brought it back was real. There's plenty of things that could have turned out differently that day, but it was an embarrassing loss. To suggest our coaching staff has no responsibility for the outcome seems absurd to me. Put it like this, you have two columns and you have to put a check in one. Which staff won the coaching battle that day. Miami's or App's?

Disclaimer for drama queens:
The question is not which coaching staff should be fired or reprimanded for their performance that day. It does not suggest anything needs to be fixed, and it does not require you to think you possess more expertise than the coaches to answer it.

[hapapp]

" Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference."

Hap - that statement is the core of my argument - Does anyone think that if Coach Satterfield had coached his best game ever and Richt, as he did, used his team's superior speed and talent to the fullest, that we could have won that game?

But preparation is part of the staff's job. I'm not sure why it such a sin to suggest our coaches are not infallible. I think we have a great staff, as good as they come. But, I don't believe that was their finest moment. No doubt compounded by Miami's talent.

[WVAPPeer]

" Given the speed and talent difference, it may have made little difference."

Hap - that statement is the core of my argument - Does anyone think that if Coach Satterfield had coached his best game ever and Richt, as he did, used his team's superior speed and talent to the fullest, that we could have won that game?

But preparation is part of the staff's job. I'm not sure why it such a sin to suggest our coaches are not infallible. I think we have a great staff, as good as they come. But, I don't believe that was their finest moment. No doubt compounded by Miami's talent.

Hap - if you will look back at where I started on this I never said our coaches are not infallible - Here is my overriding point posted again
---
" How can a coach with significantly less talent (16 Miami players just from this past years class are in NFL camps) be outcoached??? - If it were the other way around, then sure - When coaches have basically equal talent then the term "outcoached" can come into play - Exp. - Coach K almost always outcoaches Roy - most times they have at least equal talent and some times UNC has more talent and Duke has won something like 13 out of the last 17 ---
If you want to say "they have better players and used them very well and exploited our weaknesses" as you did say, then I agree 100% but I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent ---"

[AppinVA]

Guys. Let's take a moment to reflect on what we're debating. A loss to the Miami Hurricanes. One loss. I go back to something I say from time to time. Great programs dwell on their losses...the others dwell on their victories.

As pointless as some may see this thread, this one of those good problems to have.

[diehardapp18]

This thread was supposed to be about how a very reputable source predicts us to go 11-1 and come within a hair of a perfect 12-0 and you guys somehow turn into some discussion about a game that went badly last year. You guys man

[EastHallApp]

For all the posts mocking people saying our coaches are infallible or off limits for criticism, I don't remember anyone actually saying that. For example, I think they absolutely deserved criticism for the poor clock management late in the Tennessee and Troy games. Those were pretty objectively poorly managed situations that hurt our chances to win games where we had a legitimate chance.

I'm sure the coaches didn't have their best day against Miami. I just think harping on the coaching in that game kind of misses the forest for the trees.

It's still more legit than blaming the loss on a pep rally, though.

[appst89]

For all the posts mocking people saying our coaches are infallible or off limits for criticism, I don't remember anyone actually saying that. For example, I think they absolutely deserved criticism for the poor clock management late in the Tennessee and Troy games. Those were pretty objectively poorly managed situations that hurt our chances to win games where we had a legitimate chance.

I'm sure the coaches didn't have their best day against Miami. I just think harping on the coaching in that game kind of misses the forest for the trees.

It's still more legit than blaming the loss on a pep rally, though.

Since we 're talking about things no one said, where did anyone blame a pep rally?

[EastHallApp]

For all the posts mocking people saying our coaches are infallible or off limits for criticism, I don't remember anyone actually saying that. For example, I think they absolutely deserved criticism for the poor clock management late in the Tennessee and Troy games. Those were pretty objectively poorly managed situations that hurt our chances to win games where we had a legitimate chance.

I'm sure the coaches didn't have their best day against Miami. I just think harping on the coaching in that game kind of misses the forest for the trees.

It's still more legit than blaming the loss on a pep rally, though.

Since we 're talking about things no one said, where did anyone blame a pep rally?

People have blamed the pep rally specifically and hype around the game generally in previous threads. In this thread the comments are more general, like this one:

I think we were out-prepared by Miami. While we were focusing on having the biggest game ever in KBS, they were focusing on finding and exploiting weaknesses. It's my opinion that everyone in our program from the head coach down to the water boy got caught up in the hype of having The U coming to Boone and didn't focus as much on the game itself.

[appst89]

For all the posts mocking people saying our coaches are infallible or off limits for criticism, I don't remember anyone actually saying that. For example, I think they absolutely deserved criticism for the poor clock management late in the Tennessee and Troy games. Those were pretty objectively poorly managed situations that hurt our chances to win games where we had a legitimate chance.

I'm sure the coaches didn't have their best day against Miami. I just think harping on the coaching in that game kind of misses the forest for the trees.

It's still more legit than blaming the loss on a pep rally, though.

Since we 're talking about things no one said, where did anyone blame a pep rally?

People have blamed the pep rally specifically and hype around the game generally in previous threads. In this thread the comments are more general, like this one:

I think we were out-prepared by Miami. While we were focusing on having the biggest game ever in KBS, they were focusing on finding and exploiting weaknesses. It's my opinion that everyone in our program from the head coach down to the water boy got caught up in the hype of having The U coming to Boone and didn't focus as much on the game itself.

That's not general. That's a pretty specific breakdown of why I believe we were not as well prepared for that game as we usually are. I stand by it 100%. That has nothing to do with whether Miami was better than us. They were.

[CVAPP]

How about we all just agree Miami kicked our ass and call it a day?

[mikeyosef]

This thread was supposed to be about how a very reputable source predicts us to go 11-1 and come within a hair of a perfect 12-0 and you guys somehow turn into some discussion about a game that went badly last year. You guys man

Agreed! I like that topic much, much better for sure.

[AtlAppMan]

In regards to our chances for 11-1 or 12-0, here is a question I pose to some who may be more knowledgeable about our talent level over the last several years.

I propose that it is EXPECTED that our talent level this year should be significantly higher than 3-4 years ago when we had a full roster of FCS recruited players and have been gradually recruiting at FBS over last few years. With that FACT in mind, is it not reasonable to believe that our 2017 roster should be the best we have ever fielded from a talent/skillset perspective? Assuming that to be true, shouldn't we also, reasonably EXPECT, that this team should be the best ever fielded at App, to date? I know we have to mentally rise to the occasion as well.

Therefore, is is fair for the fans to believe that if we use our talent and don't lay any eggs, we should go 11-1. If we can really show up big on day one at UGA then we could go 12-0.