Scott Gone

[Yosefus]

I am surprised for the most part we are all not having a total meltdown on this site and no one is panicked. Much....
Wonder what our competitors are saying after visiting this wonderful fan board?

[Oldlknapp]

Some of us think Scott is as good as Dabo. Can you imagine those two playing in the same division of the ACC. No wait... we don’t have to imagine it. It’s for real!

[hotrod2001]

He's gone and he will have a very short leash with that program. They are talent deprived and he will have his work cut out for him. I hope he knocks it out of the park in Louisville and beyond, although I would rather have seen Satterfield take Ga Tech or some other program. The only thing Louisville has going for them is money.

By the same token whoever is hired at App State will have a very short leash.They inherit a loaded program with a culture of success. The coach has to be embrace the ASU culture and not try to mold it into something else.

Going to be interesting.

Whoever we hire needs to look no further than our good friends down in Statesboro in what happens when you crater a storied program. I hope to God we don't ever find ourselves in a 1-9 situation like they did.

[Rekdiver]

What can we do? No use bemoaning Scott’s departure. I’m a Mountaineer. I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be there thru thick and thin.

[AppRolls]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

I’m glad I don’t sit next to you in KBS.

[Rick83]

What can we do? No use bemoaning Scott’s departure. I’m a Mountaineer. I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be there thru thick and thin.

I agree except that I'm going somewhere...to NEW ORLEANS next Friday to watch us win our 4th straight bowl game!!

[AppStFan1]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

That’s a very unrealistic outlook. I’m amazed at the amount of condenscension that is shown towards other G5 opponents on this board. Every school we line up against has D1 scholarship athletes with every intention of beating our behinds. What happened here will likely not be replicated unless NDSU makes the jump.

It is the truth of how it is. If you take App, Georgia Southern, and Troy out of the SBC then it is the worst league in the FBS by far and right now I only think the league is equal to CUSA and the MAC possibly in a tie.

Here is something you have to keep in mind. Most of the SBC are new programs or schools who were I-AA back in the 90s. We are essentially in a version of the MVFC with 85 scholarships so our teams are deeper and more top end talent but it is not really a power league. I believe NDSU could come in right now and be our toughest contender for the SBC title.

What proof out of conference has the SBC shown you that it is not a bottom tier league? if we left for the AAC you would be looking back and saying how much tougher this league is. I am glad we are here now because it got us to FBS and has allowed us to come in and win early on because it is a weaker league. If we had gone straight to the AAC then there is no way we do what we did so quick.

Go check out the computer ratings. They all even have NDSU ahead of us.

Sagarin for example: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

All of them have like 2-3 MVFC teams above everyone but us right now. It has NDSU winning the SBC and then SDSU finishing 3rd behind just us and NDSU if they both came to our conference. You can say what you want but the proof in OOC play and in the computer rankings is that the SBC is very weak with just 3 top 100 teams.

[Budman2154]

I think Satt is a great coach but he has yet to win the “BIG” game at App. Almost beat Tenn, almost beat WF and yet again almost beat Penn St. He should be able to recruit extremely well at Louisville. If DG makes the right hire, the new guy will inherit a team ready to repeat as SunBelt champions and hopefully a more prestigious bowl. Well, that depends on conference tie ends, etc. I trust DG to make the right hire and I hope it’s soon. I like the idea of Kleiman at ND State but I would think their are others that would love to come to Boone. Not a fan of a Spier or Elliot hire. Spier hasn’t made much progress at WCU and Sean hasn’t had much time as a HC with GSU. With potential to lose recruits and or defections of current players time is of the essence. In DG We Trust!

[AppStFan1]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

I’m glad I don’t sit next to you in KBS.

Are you seriously telling me you would be okay with us going 6-6 or 7-5 every year in the SBC now? If so, then you aren't setting your sights high and therefore sound like you may be complacent. I would be okay with those records in the P5 or even AAC right now but the SBC is a FCS league with 85 scholarships for most part. Now if we joined a league with ECU, Marshall, MTSU, James Madison, GSU, Troy, UAB, Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF or say Liberty then I would have a much different expectation.

Do you know why Alabama dominates? Because instead of celebrating a national title for 6 months, Saban is back on the recruiting trail the next day. He is not complacent and we can't be either. I want that stadium so full with SBC and other league titles or bowl win banners in say 15 years that we are completely out of space. Set the bar high!

I know I am talking very highly but that is how we need to think.

Food for thought. Do you realize that if the NCAA set the FBS minimum attendance at say 17k and enforced it that all but like App and Troy would have to drop down to FCS?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_ ... e/2017.pdf

Check those records from last year. There are a few FCS teams with better attendance and following than half of the SBC, MAC, and CSU. The SBC only averaged 17,800 last year and we averaged 25,780 and Troy averaged 24,450. If you remove us and Troy then the SBC would essentially be equal to the SWAC and MVFC when it comes to attendance.

You do realize our long term goal is to move to the AAC or CUSA, right? Scott helped us grow and has us in position to possibly get an invite from one of them and when some of this alignment we keep hearing about happens I fully expect us to get an invite from one of those two leagues. You should expect that as well. Let's keep growing. I remember a day not long ago when many on this board were mad we were moving up and thought we may not succeed. Do you remember that? Well, we have flourished and the day is coming in the next 5 years where I hope we are in position to be in the AAC or CUSA. If we keep Gillin then this stuff WILL happen.

[fjblair]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

That’s a very unrealistic outlook. I’m amazed at the amount of condenscension that is shown towards other G5 opponents on this board. Every school we line up against has D1 scholarship athletes with every intention of beating our behinds. What happened here will likely not be replicated unless NDSU makes the jump.

It is the truth of how it is. If you take App, Georgia Southern, and Troy out of the SBC then it is the worst league in the FBS by far and right now I only think the league is equal to CUSA and the MAC possibly in a tie.

Here is something you have to keep in mind. Most of the SBC are new programs or schools who were I-AA back in the 90s. We are essentially in a version of the MVFC with 85 scholarships so our teams are deeper and more top end talent but it is not really a power league. I believe NDSU could come in right now and be our toughest contender for the SBC title.

What proof out of conference has the SBC shown you that it is not a bottom tier league? if we left for the AAC you would be looking back and saying how much tougher this league is. I am glad we are here now because it got us to FBS and has allowed us to come in and win early on because it is a weaker league. If we had gone straight to the AAC then there is no way we do what we did so quick.

Go check out the computer ratings. They all even have NDSU ahead of us.

Sagarin for example: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

All of them have like 2-3 MVFC teams above everyone but us right now. It has NDSU winning the SBC and then SDSU finishing 3rd behind just us and NDSU if they both came to our conference. You can say what you want but the proof in OOC play and in the computer rankings is that the SBC is very weak with just 3 top 100 teams.

You are a troll. You signed up to troll, and you are trolling. Nothing you typed is a coherent, reality based thought. Probably a GS fan, make 'em proud!

[AppStFan1]

I think Satt is a great coach but he has yet to win the “BIG” game at App. Almost beat Tenn, almost beat WF and yet again almost beat Penn St. He should be able to recruit extremely well at Louisville. If DG makes the right hire, the new guy will inherit a team ready to repeat as SunBelt champions and hopefully a more prestigious bowl. Well, that depends on conference tie ends, etc. I trust DG to make the right hire and I hope it’s soon. I like the idea of Kleiman at ND State but I would think their are others that would love to come to Boone. Not a fan of a Spier or Elliot hire. Spier hasn’t made much progress at WCU and Sean hasn’t had much time as a HC with GSU. With potential to lose recruits and or defections of current players time is of the essence. In DG We Trust!

I would take Spier as an assistant because he is a very good recruiter but I do not want him as HC and I would not take Elliott either. He has already shown he will chase the money and prestige so our fan base will be on suicide watch if we took him and he left. If he won big, he would leave. Mark it down. His dream job is to one day be the HC at South Carolina but I don't think that will happen again after his interim time there. I like Shawn a lot personally and would take him as an assistant as well though.

You are dead on about Satt. I felt he would get a real big money offer next year if we did what his expectation was so I thought he would stick for one more year until I heard about Sexton before the season.

DG is the best AD we have ever had and need to keep him. I completely trust him on the HC hire. Even if I'm skeptical with the hire at first I will wait and watch what happens because I think he will get it right. I'm just glad we don't have Roach or Cobb here making this hire.

[beav910]

Remember Skip Prosser @ Wake Forest?

Get all students to Satt’s office ASAP.

What are you referring to?

[proasu89]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

That’s a very unrealistic outlook. I’m amazed at the amount of condenscension that is shown towards other G5 opponents on this board. Every school we line up against has D1 scholarship athletes with every intention of beating our behinds. What happened here will likely not be replicated unless NDSU makes the jump.

It is the truth of how it is. If you take App, Georgia Southern, and Troy out of the SBC then it is the worst league in the FBS by far and right now I only think the league is equal to CUSA and the MAC possibly in a tie.

Here is something you have to keep in mind. Most of the SBC are new programs or schools who were I-AA back in the 90s. We are essentially in a version of the MVFC with 85 scholarships so our teams are deeper and more top end talent but it is not really a power league. I believe NDSU could come in right now and be our toughest contender for the SBC title.

What proof out of conference has the SBC shown you that it is not a bottom tier league? if we left for the AAC you would be looking back and saying how much tougher this league is. I am glad we are here now because it got us to FBS and has allowed us to come in and win early on because it is a weaker league. If we had gone straight to the AAC then there is no way we do what we did so quick.

Go check out the computer ratings. They all even have NDSU ahead of us.

Sagarin for example: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

All of them have like 2-3 MVFC teams above everyone but us right now. It has NDSU winning the SBC and then SDSU finishing 3rd behind just us and NDSU if they both came to our conference. You can say what you want but the proof in OOC play and in the computer rankings is that the SBC is very weak with just 3 top 100 teams.

You are a troll. You signed up to troll, and you are trolling. Nothing you typed is a coherent, reality based thought. Probably a GS fan, make 'em proud!

I especially liked the part about taking the three best teams out of the Belt and easily being the worst conference. Well, no sh!#

[AppStFan1]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

That’s a very unrealistic outlook. I’m amazed at the amount of condenscension that is shown towards other G5 opponents on this board. Every school we line up against has D1 scholarship athletes with every intention of beating our behinds. What happened here will likely not be replicated unless NDSU makes the jump.

It is the truth of how it is. If you take App, Georgia Southern, and Troy out of the SBC then it is the worst league in the FBS by far and right now I only think the league is equal to CUSA and the MAC possibly in a tie.

Here is something you have to keep in mind. Most of the SBC are new programs or schools who were I-AA back in the 90s. We are essentially in a version of the MVFC with 85 scholarships so our teams are deeper and more top end talent but it is not really a power league. I believe NDSU could come in right now and be our toughest contender for the SBC title.

What proof out of conference has the SBC shown you that it is not a bottom tier league? if we left for the AAC you would be looking back and saying how much tougher this league is. I am glad we are here now because it got us to FBS and has allowed us to come in and win early on because it is a weaker league. If we had gone straight to the AAC then there is no way we do what we did so quick.

Go check out the computer ratings. They all even have NDSU ahead of us.

Sagarin for example: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

All of them have like 2-3 MVFC teams above everyone but us right now. It has NDSU winning the SBC and then SDSU finishing 3rd behind just us and NDSU if they both came to our conference. You can say what you want but the proof in OOC play and in the computer rankings is that the SBC is very weak with just 3 top 100 teams.

You are a troll. You signed up to troll, and you are trolling. Nothing you typed is a coherent, reality based thought. Probably a GS fan, make 'em proud!

I'm not trolling. I'm very much in the loop and I know that Appalachian State expects to win conference championships or at least be in the top 2-3 for it yearly. Let me ask you one simple question? If I had told you back in 2005 that we would win 3 straight national titles, be in FBS be 2015 and win our first 3 bowl games and win 3 straight SBC titles what would you have said? You would have told me I'm crazy and trolling by setting very high standards that we can't reach. That is exactly what we have done.

Let me ask you another question. Do you think if I had said back in 2010 even that we would have P5 programs come to Boone before 2018 what would you have said? I'm crazy right?

So what if I told you that by 2020 our goal is to crash the NY6 party once and eventually be in the AAC and be a top 3 contender in that league what would you say? You are setting your sights a little low. Doug Gillin's goal is to be a nationally ranked program more than just 1 week a year and to bring a lot of quality P5 programs to Boone, get in the AAC, and go to a NY6 Bowl game. He has great vision and is going to try and take us to new heights all the time. We already have hosted Miami and Wake Forest and will have UNC, South Carolina and many others come to Boone by 2027. I'm excited to see where we will end up.

Scott was very good but he was not perfect. Nobody is perfect. Gillin can make mistakes and so can you or I but we have to strive to be the best we can and I hope our new coach has high expectations. Wouldn't it be nice to get in the AAC and see our money increase heavily to where we don't have to worry about losing a coach to ECU, UNC, Louisville, Georgia Tech, etc one day?

[AppRolls]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

I’m glad I don’t sit next to you in KBS.

Are you seriously telling me you would be okay with us going 6-6 or 7-5 every year in the SBC now? If so, then you aren't setting your sights high and therefore sound like you may be complacent. I would be okay with those records in the P5 or even AAC right now but the SBC is a FCS league with 85 scholarships for most part. Now if we joined a league with ECU, Marshall, MTSU, James Madison, GSU, Troy, UAB, Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF or say Liberty then I would have a much different expectation.

Do you know why Alabama dominates? Because instead of celebrating a national title for 6 months, Saban is back on the recruiting trail the next day. He is not complacent and we can't be either. I want that stadium so full with SBC and other league titles or bowl win banners in say 15 years that we are completely out of space. Set the bar high!

I know I am talking very highly but that is how we need to think.

Food for thought. Do you realize that if the NCAA set the FBS minimum attendance at say 17k and enforced it that all but like App and Troy would have to drop down to FCS?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_ ... e/2017.pdf

Check those records from last year. There are a few FCS teams with better attendance and following than half of the SBC, MAC, and CSU. The SBC only averaged 17,800 last year and we averaged 25,780 and Troy averaged 24,450. If you remove us and Troy then the SBC would essentially be equal to the SWAC and MVFC when it comes to attendance.

You do realize our long term goal is to move to the AAC or CUSA, right? Scott helped us grow and has us in position to possibly get an invite from one of them and when some of this alignment we keep hearing about happens I fully expect us to get an invite from one of those two leagues. You should expect that as well. Let's keep growing. I remember a day not long ago when many on this board were mad we were moving up and thought we may not succeed. Do you remember that? Well, we have flourished and the day is coming in the next 5 years where I hope we are in position to be in the AAC or CUSA. If we keep Gillin then this stuff WILL happen.

You must have been losing your mind in 2014. Was that you that David Jackson was talking to?

[AppStFan1]

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

That’s a very unrealistic outlook. I’m amazed at the amount of condenscension that is shown towards other G5 opponents on this board. Every school we line up against has D1 scholarship athletes with every intention of beating our behinds. What happened here will likely not be replicated unless NDSU makes the jump.

It is the truth of how it is. If you take App, Georgia Southern, and Troy out of the SBC then it is the worst league in the FBS by far and right now I only think the league is equal to CUSA and the MAC possibly in a tie.

Here is something you have to keep in mind. Most of the SBC are new programs or schools who were I-AA back in the 90s. We are essentially in a version of the MVFC with 85 scholarships so our teams are deeper and more top end talent but it is not really a power league. I believe NDSU could come in right now and be our toughest contender for the SBC title.

What proof out of conference has the SBC shown you that it is not a bottom tier league? if we left for the AAC you would be looking back and saying how much tougher this league is. I am glad we are here now because it got us to FBS and has allowed us to come in and win early on because it is a weaker league. If we had gone straight to the AAC then there is no way we do what we did so quick.

Go check out the computer ratings. They all even have NDSU ahead of us.

Sagarin for example: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

All of them have like 2-3 MVFC teams above everyone but us right now. It has NDSU winning the SBC and then SDSU finishing 3rd behind just us and NDSU if they both came to our conference. You can say what you want but the proof in OOC play and in the computer rankings is that the SBC is very weak with just 3 top 100 teams.

You are a troll. You signed up to troll, and you are trolling. Nothing you typed is a coherent, reality based thought. Probably a GS fan, make 'em proud!

I especially liked the part about taking the three best teams out of the Belt and easily being the worst conference. Well, no sh!#

My point was that the league is not good at all top to bottom. It is a 3 horse race right now.

Go research the money, attendance, and caliber of players the rest of the league is recruiting. We need to be in a league where everyone else has talent similar to us and it truly is a fight to win. I am to the point where I expect 9-10 wins every year and that may seem unrealistic but the SBC is just not a good league outside of us, Troy, and GSU and so the expectation is high.

Go ask insiders at Troy and they will tell you that they expect to win big as well. They have the same goal of being title contenders every year.

Back in 2000 the entire league was in I-AA or not even have a football program except what 2 or 3 schools? I'm thankful for the SBC for taking us and for where we are now but I hope we keep growing.

[Rick83]

I'm not advocating Speir or Elliott at this time but it may be that they are just paying their dues and learning how to be a coach so I wouldn't be too harsh on them. Jerry Moore was not successful when he started head coaching either. When he was HC at Texas Tech, their supporters thought he was a joke. I worked with a guy that was a student there then and he hated Jerry Moore, put for sale signs in his yard and referred to the football team as "Jerry's kids" (a reference the handicap kids that Jerry Lewis was famous for helping with his telethons back in the day). We were winning national championships with Coach Moore and this guy would just laugh and laugh.

He paid his dues and came to Boone not even knowing where it was or how to spell Appalachian but his tough journey to App made him the great coach we all revere. So, let's take it easy on Speir and Elliott...we may be begging them to come to Boone at some point down the road.

[AppStFan1]

In 2013, if we were offered a chance to go 35-6 in our first 5 years in the Sun Belt, win 3 bowls and win 3 SB Conference championships, but we could only have Satt for 6 years, we would have all taken that. We have achieved so much more than anyone could have imagined since we joined the SB.

As long as DG brings someone “from the tree,” we’ll be fine.

Good luck, Coach Satt! Thanks for the great run!

The SBC is not a very good league so I don't think what we have done is more than expected. Had Scott only won 6-7 games a year in the SBC I would have been wanting him to go after year 3. The expectation every year is seriously 9 wins or more and, honestly, if it is less than 10 or 11 (losses only to P5 or top tier AAC) then we should be disappointed.

The standard before Scott got here was to compete for conference championships and he did what is expected. The next coach is expected to compete for the SBC title every year. I want the SBC title game to be called the "Boone Invitational" because we host it every year.

Now, just so you see I'm not unrealistic say we were in the AAC I would be happy with 7-9 wins a year. If we were in the ACC or SEC I would be thrilled to win 6-8 games every year early on.

Alabama is boom or bust when it comes to the national title and that is the case for us when it comes to the SBC title.

I’m glad I don’t sit next to you in KBS.

Are you seriously telling me you would be okay with us going 6-6 or 7-5 every year in the SBC now? If so, then you aren't setting your sights high and therefore sound like you may be complacent. I would be okay with those records in the P5 or even AAC right now but the SBC is a FCS league with 85 scholarships for most part. Now if we joined a league with ECU, Marshall, MTSU, James Madison, GSU, Troy, UAB, Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, and UCF or say Liberty then I would have a much different expectation.

Do you know why Alabama dominates? Because instead of celebrating a national title for 6 months, Saban is back on the recruiting trail the next day. He is not complacent and we can't be either. I want that stadium so full with SBC and other league titles or bowl win banners in say 15 years that we are completely out of space. Set the bar high!

I know I am talking very highly but that is how we need to think.

Food for thought. Do you realize that if the NCAA set the FBS minimum attendance at say 17k and enforced it that all but like App and Troy would have to drop down to FCS?

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_ ... e/2017.pdf

Check those records from last year. There are a few FCS teams with better attendance and following than half of the SBC, MAC, and CSU. The SBC only averaged 17,800 last year and we averaged 25,780 and Troy averaged 24,450. If you remove us and Troy then the SBC would essentially be equal to the SWAC and MVFC when it comes to attendance.

You do realize our long term goal is to move to the AAC or CUSA, right? Scott helped us grow and has us in position to possibly get an invite from one of them and when some of this alignment we keep hearing about happens I fully expect us to get an invite from one of those two leagues. You should expect that as well. Let's keep growing. I remember a day not long ago when many on this board were mad we were moving up and thought we may not succeed. Do you remember that? Well, we have flourished and the day is coming in the next 5 years where I hope we are in position to be in the AAC or CUSA. If we keep Gillin then this stuff WILL happen.

You must have been losing your mind in 2014. Was that you that David Jackson was talking to?

I know you have to give a program in transition a couple years but no I did not like losing and expected Scott to make adjustments, which he did. If we had never finished higher than 4th place and were a 6-6 or 7-5 program at best by now I would not be happy for sure. How can you say that you would not be happy with 4th or 5th place and not be wanting changes if Scott's best years had been 7-5 or so? We are essentially in a league that was the caliber of the SoCon in the 90s and we competed back then.

Food for thought. Did you know we had 5 players from our 1995 defense who went to the NFL and 4 of them actually went to the NFL combine? Those players were Dexter Coakley, Matt Stevens, Clarence Sutton, Jamie Coleman, and Joe DiBernardo. How many defenses in the SBC right now have that many players that you see sign contracts or get drafted by the NFL? Outside of us and Troy or Georgia Southern you won't find anyone else in the league who is that way. We have way more overall team speed and depth than we did back then but the 1990s SoCon was not that far behind where the 2018 SBC is right now in terms of next level talent and true FBS caliber talent. Keep in mind that the extra 22 scholarships for the teams in the SBC and CUSA were mostly top tier I-AA talent from the 90s.

Look at the landscape like this. Come up with the top 25-30 teams from G5 as of right now and then go back and look at their status in the 1990s. 80% or more were in I-AA or not a program back then. They are all here now and the difference is we have 85 instead of 63. Therefore, the talent is better because of more depth and some players who never would have come back in but for the most part this is I-AA from the 80s and 90s with just a few teams that we I-A back then.

I bet you would tell your kid he can't be anything he wants or would have told Nick Saban he was nuts if he said when he came to Alabama he would win 5 national titles wouldn't you? I believe in setting the bar high and our current AD does as well.

If you don't believe what I'm saying about the SBC in terms of talent then go do your research from the 1990s and 1980s. You do realize that most of the G5 teams now were I-AA or were the lowest bottom feeders of I-A from back then right?

[AppStFan1]

I'm not advocating Speir or Elliott at this time but it may be that they are just paying their dues and learning how to be a coach so I wouldn't be too harsh on them. Jerry Moore was not successful when he started head coaching either. When he was HC at Texas Tech, their supporters thought he was a joke. I worked with a guy that was a student there then and he hated Jerry Moore, put for sale signs in his yard and referred to the football team as "Jerry's kids" (a reference the handicap kids that Jerry Lewis was famous for helping with his telethons back in the day). We were winning national championships with Coach Moore and this guy would just laugh and laugh.

He paid his dues and came to Boone not even knowing where it was or how to spell Appalachian but his tough journey to App made him the great coach we all revere. So, let's take it easy on Speir and Elliott...we may be begging them to come to Boone at some point down the road.

I'm not against them coming back one day but as of now I would not think they are ready. I would like to see both go be successful coordinators elsewhere if they both got fired and then bring them back in a 5-6 years or so. I just think right now we can get people from P5 programs or top coordinators or even a HC from a lower tier G5 that has the school on the rise.

[appalum2003]

What can we do? No use bemoaning Scott’s departure. I’m a Mountaineer. I’m not going anywhere. I’ll be there thru thick and thin.

Yeah, but it's unfortunate that Scott won't. Money isn't everything.