Top 25 Poll

[McLeansvilleAppFan]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

Your post really made me think. I don't think Cincinnati or BYU should be considered for the CFP. I don't think either is in a league with the Alabamas, Ohio States, Notre Dames, or Clemsons. I'm not sure how they'd do against Florida or TAMU. But I think there should be a way (if they both go undefeated) to be in NY6 bowl games (and shouldn't have to play each other).

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

[appgrad95&97]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

Your post really made me think. I don't think Cincinnati or BYU should be considered for the CFP. I don't think either is in a league with the Alabamas, Ohio States, Notre Dames, or Clemsons. I'm not sure how they'd do against Florida or TAMU. But I think there should be a way (if they both go undefeated) to be in NY6 bowl games (and shouldn't have to play each other).

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

I'd rather get rid of the playoff all together, go back to the pre-BCS/pre-bowl alliance days. Play a season, have a set of meaningful bowl games without two automatic tie-ins. Then vote.

[hapapp]

Is this the first time the Sun Belt ever had two teams ranked at the same time?

I was thinking that happened earlier in the year.

[AppStFan1]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

No shock that we lost votes because we aren't playing like a top 25 team. Hopefully we can stop leaving points on the field and cut down on critical errors.

To your point on Cincy, it is that way every year. UCF had a magical year in 2017 and still did not get in the playoff so you know it won't happen for CCU, BYU, or Cincy. This has been made clear for years and it has no reason to change. If Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oregon all have 1 loss while Cincy is undefeated they will still be ranked ahead of Cincy. When you consider SOS there is really not argument that a G5 can make.

[AppStFan1]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

Your post really made me think. I don't think Cincinnati or BYU should be considered for the CFP. I don't think either is in a league with the Alabamas, Ohio States, Notre Dames, or Clemsons. I'm not sure how they'd do against Florida or TAMU. But I think there should be a way (if they both go undefeated) to be in NY6 bowl games (and shouldn't have to play each other).

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

I think what you are saying should be done but that will not happen any time soon. They need to enforce requirements for FBS, send some back to FCS, and then do realignment where you have about 6 conferences where 2 at-large and 6 champs get in or 8 conferences with 8 league champs getting in. It would take away doubt and let everyone know what they have to do in order to get in.

[AppStFan1]

Is this the first time the Sun Belt ever had two teams ranked at the same time?

I was thinking that happened earlier in the year.

Never happened before this season but you are right. It happened back on week 3 for the first time ever: https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

[NavyApp]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

No shock that we lost votes because we aren't playing like a top 25 team. Hopefully we can stop leaving points on the field and cut down on critical errors.

To your point on Cincy, it is that way every year. UCF had a magical year in 2017 and still did not get in the playoff so you know it won't happen for CCU, BYU, or Cincy. This has been made clear for years and it has no reason to change. If Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oregon all have 1 loss while Cincy is undefeated they will still be ranked ahead of Cincy. When you consider SOS there is really not argument that a G5 can make.

Soooooo, you're wrong. When you consider SOS and SRS, Cincys case for a CFP berth is amplified. Let's consider the current top 4:
Alabama; SOS:65th SRS:2nd
Ohio State; SOS:78th SRS:5th
Notre Dame; SOS:61st SRS:7th
Clemson; SOS:38th SRS:3rd

Now let's look at Cincy:
SOS:76th SRS: 1st

People get lazy and just think that a G5 can't have a comparable resume so they say things like "When you consider SOS there is really not argument that a G5 can make." Without taking 5 minutes to realize it's categorically incorrect. The one point you were correct about is that Cincy has no shot at the CFP, but only because of their conference affiliation and nothing to do with on field performance.

All stats and figures were pulled from: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb

[AppStFan1]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

No shock that we lost votes because we aren't playing like a top 25 team. Hopefully we can stop leaving points on the field and cut down on critical errors.

To your point on Cincy, it is that way every year. UCF had a magical year in 2017 and still did not get in the playoff so you know it won't happen for CCU, BYU, or Cincy. This has been made clear for years and it has no reason to change. If Notre Dame, Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oregon all have 1 loss while Cincy is undefeated they will still be ranked ahead of Cincy. When you consider SOS there is really not argument that a G5 can make.

Soooooo, you're wrong. When you consider SOS and SRS, Cincys case for a CFP berth is amplified. Let's consider the current top 4:
Alabama; SOS:65th SRS:2nd
Ohio State; SOS:78th SRS:5th
Notre Dame; SOS:61st SRS:7th
Clemson; SOS:38th SRS:3rd

Now let's look at Cincy:
SOS:76th SRS: 1st

People get lazy and just think that a G5 can't have a comparable resume so they say things like "When you consider SOS there is really not argument that a G5 can make." Without taking 5 minutes to realize it's categorically incorrect. The one point you were correct about is that Cincy has no shot at the CFP, but only because of their conference affiliation and nothing to do with on field performance.

All stats and figures were pulled from: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb

The CFP is what matters and they have made it clear that a G5 pretty much has to be an undefeated conference champ, a P5 win, wins over ranked teams, and a lot of havoc in the final week so there aren't 4 P5 teams with 1 loss or less. There is nothing Cincy can do completely on its own.

While the SOS numbers may be close, the committee gives way more weight for a win over a top 25 P5 than a top 25 G5 or in general. Example, last year we got more respect for beating SC than ULL even though ULL was the better team.

People have to remember that the committee looks at every game and takes things that a computer can't take into account such as the fact that Clemson was missing the best player in the country and many other top players in their ND loss. They may take a look at SOS but a Cincy with a #35 SOS is not going to get in over a 1 loss Clemson with a #57 SOS. It just won't happen.

[kornegaylw]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

[mike87]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

The #3 SEC school brings 50,000 to a playoff bowl. The #1 CUSA or Sun Belt (other than App) brings 10,000. So 40,000 reasons at $20 a ticket why a championship won't ever be logical. Not including advertising and merchandising revenue.

That said, right now we are playing, and I'm grateful.

[bigdaddyg]

NFL teams are still playing in empty stadiums. They announced that the Super Bowl will only have like (I think) 20% or so capacity. College teams are playing in empty or near empty stadiums as well. The argument about how many fans will travel is mute this year. There will already be a disproportionate number of games played by teams so a one off increase in teams would only make sense. Even if a first round game played in a near empty KBS would still get lots of TV eyeballs and added revenue. This year a final 4 is going to have more potential controversy because it will likely include Ohio State who could possibly only play 7 or so games. There will certainly be more cancelled games in that conference. You have to almost figure in Alabama, Clemson and ND right now. Lots of strong 1 or 2 loss teams will be left out obviously. Hard to imagine Indiana maintaining. Cincinnati is really good but could run the table and get shafted by 1 loss Florida.

[EastHallApp]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If the NCAA ran the playoff - assuming the way they do postseason in every other sport, including other levels of football - it would likely be expanded to at least 16 and include an auto bid for every conference. But they don't, and there's no indication they will any time soon.

[EastHallApp]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

While it's probably true that Cincy has little to no shot at the playoff, a quick reminder: The AP and coaches' poll voters have nothing to do with who makes the CFP.

[Black Saturday]

NFL teams are still playing in empty stadiums. They announced that the Super Bowl will only have like (I think) 20% or so capacity. College teams are playing in empty or near empty stadiums as well. The argument about how many fans will travel is mute this year. There will already be a disproportionate number of games played by teams so a one off increase in teams would only make sense. Even if a first round game played in a near empty KBS would still get lots of TV eyeballs and added revenue. This year a final 4 is going to have more potential controversy because it will likely include Ohio State who could possibly only play 7 or so games. There will certainly be more cancelled games in that conference. You have to almost figure in Alabama, Clemson and ND right now. Lots of strong 1 or 2 loss teams will be left out obviously. Hard to imagine Indiana maintaining. Cincinnati is really good but could run the table and get shafted by 1 loss Florida.

The empty stadiums will hopefully soon be a thing of the past since Pfizer has announced they are close to a 90% effective covid vaccine.

[AppStFan1]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If there was a 8-team playoff and undefeated G5 champ with a good resume then I don't think ESPN would argue that with certain criteria. If you state that the G5 must be conference champ, have a P5 win, and undefeated so that there is a clear path for a 1999 Marshall and 2017 UCF to get a shot and settle it on the field.

[AppStFan1]

Coastal and Marshall hold at #15 & #16 respectively. The Cajuns re-enter the Top 25.

Voters make it clear that an undefeated Cincinnati, despite crushing Houston, will not be invited to the CFP. They fell 1 spot.

App with one less vote than week prior.


https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-colleg ... m=AP_Top25

While it's probably true that Cincy has little to no shot at the playoff, a quick reminder: The AP and coaches' poll voters have nothing to do with who makes the CFP.

This year will be even tougher with so many teams playing less games for sure. Cincy has not playoff shot without a ton of help. I am pulling for them since they are already there but I live in reality. CFP takes a look at more than stats and I am 99% sure they agree with me that Cincy is not top 5. They will creep down the rankings unless teams ahead of them lose to teams outside of the top 12. Otherwise you will see a #9 leapfrog a Cincy when they beat #3 instead of Cincy moving up.

[Yosef84]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If there was a 8-team playoff and undefeated G5 champ with a good resume then I don't think ESPN would argue that with certain criteria. If you state that the G5 must be conference champ, have a P5 win, and undefeated so that there is a clear path for a 1999 Marshall and 2017 UCF to get a shot and settle it on the field.

"have a P5 win" is not a valid criteria for inclusion. That would imply that beating Vanderbilt or Kansas is the same as beating Cincinnati, UCF, Boise State, or even App. That is as much a function of scheduling as it is performance. Perhaps having a SOS requirement would make more sense, but even that is incredibly biased.

[bigdaddyg]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If there was a 8-team playoff and undefeated G5 champ with a good resume then I don't think ESPN would argue that with certain criteria. If you state that the G5 must be conference champ, have a P5 win, and undefeated so that there is a clear path for a 1999 Marshall and 2017 UCF to get a shot and settle it on the field.

"have a P5 win" is not a valid criteria for inclusion. That would imply that beating Vanderbilt or Kansas is the same as beating Cincinnati, UCF, Boise State, or even App. That is as much a function of scheduling as it is performance. Perhaps having a SOS requirement would make more sense, but even that is incredibly biased.

I don’t know how you even fairly calculate a legit strength of schedule this season. Teams jumping in playing their first game after some have played 6 or so. Teams that have played since the first week have injuries and those just getting started are healthy and have fresh legs. I agree with the above how big is a win over Kansas right now. I’ve said it many times several P5’s are only P5’s by association. Where would Kansas finish even in the Sunbelt this year if they played CCU, App and La? Maybe middle of the pack?

[bcoach]

How big is a win over Kansas? I am guessing not as big as a win over Louisiana. But that got me to thinking about Costal who seeme to be the talk of the town. They have wins over exactly two teams with winning records unless I am mistaken. Could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, but their story just seems a little overblown to me.

[kornegaylw]

There is one way to solve the problem and end any speculation. Have a playoff of each conference champion and then add in two at-large. Top 4 can get a bye, which is a HUGE advantage anyway. F##% the Prig 5.

This is so logical, so marketable and so simple the NCAA will never do it. And if they did do it ESPN would complain every year about how the 3rd best SEC school and second best BIG10 school are more deserving than the 2 G5 conference champs b/c P5>G5

If there was a 8-team playoff and undefeated G5 champ with a good resume then I don't think ESPN would argue that with certain criteria. If you state that the G5 must be conference champ, have a P5 win, and undefeated so that there is a clear path for a 1999 Marshall and 2017 UCF to get a shot and settle it on the field.

I would hope that is the case but I don't have faith that the P5 bias wouldn't get in the way.

Also the undefeated & P5 win requirements are unreasonable. If there is an 8 team playoff the requirements should be 1. Conference Champ & 2. G5 priority based on Strength of Schedule. Many times G5s ability to play P5s is out of their control given how far in advance schedules are made.