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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by Stonewall » Tue Dec 28, 2021 7:25 pm

When I have described him as slow I wasn't talking about foot speed .A championship QB has to be quick and decisive in his decision making.Hoping for improvement there.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:09 pm

From Ponce directly, teams caught on to the offense mid season and Ponce struggled to adjust with a kind of QB he is not used to. Brice told Ponce he wanted to run more to help the offense, but Brice's athleticism just isn't what the offense is predicated on. That said, he got himself out of trouble a lot in the second half of the season with his legs. The decision making wasn't on Brice (most of the time). It was on Ponce (again, coming from Ponce directly) calling plays that took too long to develop and defenses keying in on the check downs.

This off season is going to be telling. I trust Ponce to make the tweaks needed for Brice while keeping the basis of what we run in tact. I am interested in seeing who QB2 is going to be because that will be an indication of where the offense is going.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm

I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.


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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:19 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm
I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.

Like it. Thing is 95% of the people on this board don't even know what he means when Hurts mentions a cover 7, quarters, bracket, etc. I'd wager 99% of App twitter has no idea what it means.

Football is real easy in hindsight.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:31 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:19 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm
I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.

Like it. Thing is 95% of the people on this board don't even know what he means when Hurts mentions a cover 7, quarters, bracket, etc. I'd wager 99% of App twitter has no idea what it means.

Football is real easy in hindsight.
True. I myself am still learning coverages. The thing that I took away from it is that pre-snap dictates so much of post snap. It helps to see how cerebral the game is.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by Yosef84 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 7:11 am

The average fan has no idea how complex football is these days. Most seem to think that these guys go out and wing it a significant part of the time. Hearing a QB actually explain how he decides to throw the ball....the reads he makes and how that changes his progression, etc....very impressive and should give people a better appreciation for the game.

To be clear, I am not one who can read those coverages, but I also make no claims to understand at that level. I appreciate those who do and that these players do a lot of work to execute these playbooks

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:07 am

The Ponce comments above were impressive. Always trying to get better. I analogize it to a new offensive scheme, new QB, etc..it takes a while to get the whole playbook into your offense. I realize this is not exactly same scenario. But brand new QB and new QB to our system....and first time OC. Given that combination. Damn impressive I thought.
Even more impressive is Chase providing input that he wanted to run more when this may not be his strength. I actually would like to see this more. Not for the overall yards per se..3 or 4 yards helps to move the chains and keeps defense uncomfortable on where run is happening.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppStateNews » Wed Dec 29, 2021 8:46 am

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:31 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:19 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm
I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.

Like it. Thing is 95% of the people on this board don't even know what he means when Hurts mentions a cover 7, quarters, bracket, etc. I'd wager 99% of App twitter has no idea what it means.

Football is real easy in hindsight.
True. I myself am still learning coverages. The thing that I took away from it is that pre-snap dictates so much of post snap. It helps to see how cerebral the game is.
And the center and TE have an even more crucial pre-snap read and call out in our offense...
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by huskie3 » Wed Dec 29, 2021 11:44 am

I think it is even more impressive when the QB can make those reads on a flat plane. Sitting in the stands we have an elevated view allowing us to see much more (if we actually have knowledge of how things work). Of course neither know how the D will rotate once ball is snapped.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by BOONE BOUND » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:23 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm
I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.

And oh btw....you have 2.5 seconds to make the correct read, and throw a perfect ball into a small window with 4-5 angry defenders breathing down your neck! I'll take my seat in the stands and let the guys on the field continue to entertain me with their craft. GO APP!!

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:40 pm

BOONE BOUND wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:23 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:16 pm
I saw this yesterday and thought it somewhat relevant to fans that can sit in the stands and get upset when players are open. This is a great explanation from Jalen Hurts to a reporter that questioned how he missed a wide open receiver.

And oh btw....you have 2.5 seconds to make the correct read, and throw a perfect ball into a small window with 4-5 angry defenders breathing down your neck! I'll take my seat in the stands and let the guys on the field continue to entertain me with their craft. GO APP!!
Yep! My blood pressure took a turn for the better when I stopped questioning why we did something on the field and started asking why it happened that way.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:03 pm

People who know nothing (most of us) think that it’s just so easy. Every now and then the armchair QB/coordinator should think that a play is called with the hope that the other guys will line up and execute a certain defense that we can take advantage of. There is also the expectation that the offense will actually execute the play right. Many times it just doesn’t all click. When it does the coordinator is a “genius “. When those plays fail he stinks and needs to be fired.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by Mjohn1988 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:40 pm

Jim Harbaugh, really changed the Michigan D this year and had great success. Made me think that maybe our O needs a change. Maybe the game and D play callers have simply caught up to us. I recall ever single game commentator this year talking about “App football” and how we would base everything off the outside and inside zone read run. Maybe “App football” needs a tweak our two our maybe something bigger. Maybe “App football” is just figuring out how to win in the current environment. I’m not big on gimmick driven schemes but change is what brought us into the spotlight. I hope we’re not afraid to make the changes that might be necessary to keep us in the spotlight.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:09 pm

Ask any coach at the high school, college, or pro level and they will tell you that the zone blocking scheme, when run correctly, is the hardest scheme to defense. Their isn’t gimmicky with what we do. It is pretty basic in concept but incredibly difficult to stop. I get the need of the armchair QBs to want to reinvent the wheel, but our issues are not scheme issues.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppStateNews » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:33 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:09 pm
Ask any coach at the high school, college, or pro level and they will tell you that the zone blocking scheme, when run correctly, is the hardest scheme to defense. Their isn’t gimmicky with what we do. It is pretty basic in concept but incredibly difficult to stop. I get the need of the armchair QBs to want to reinvent the wheel, but our issues are not scheme issues.
There is absolutely nothing basic with what we do on the line... Like you said, when ran right, a zone block is nearly impossible to stop. However, to run correctly, it's not basic. The center and TE make a call pre snap. Based on that, all other 4 linemen have to know where to go based on keys from the defense.

If just one makes the wrong read, or his key tricks him, it's blown up. That is where we are seeing defenses get better. The are making our o line think one thing pre snap, but doing the opposite so the line is out of place.

To say it's basic is a farce. It's the most difficult blocking scheme to run.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppSt94 » Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:44 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:33 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:09 pm
Ask any coach at the high school, college, or pro level and they will tell you that the zone blocking scheme, when run correctly, is the hardest scheme to defense. Their isn’t gimmicky with what we do. It is pretty basic in concept but incredibly difficult to stop. I get the need of the armchair QBs to want to reinvent the wheel, but our issues are not scheme issues.
There is absolutely nothing basic with what we do on the line... Like you said, when ran right, a zone block is nearly impossible to stop. However, to run correctly, it's not basic. The center and TE make a call pre snap. Based on that, all other 4 linemen have to know where to go based on keys from the defense.

If just one makes the wrong read, or his key tricks him, it's blown up. That is where we are seeing defenses get better. The are making our o line think one thing pre snap, but doing the opposite so the line is out of place.

To say it's basic is a farce. It's the most difficult blocking scheme to run.
Fair point. Basic is most assuredly the incorrect word. What I failed to communicate is what I was thinking. I look at the scheme in terms of Nebraska in the Turner Gill, Tommy Frazier days. They would tell you what they are going to run and you still couldn’t stop it.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by ASU3432Mi » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:18 am

Illinois fired Tony Peterson today. One and done.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppStateNews » Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:25 am

ASU3432Mi wrote:
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Illinois fired Tony Peterson today. One and done.
He was actually fired 3 days ago. He can't use the "it was a Covid year and I was handcuffed on the type of offense I could call" excuse this time.

The game has simply passed him by. He has not been able to adjust to the new offenses and his ego is too big to listen to the locker room.
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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by AppWyo » Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:54 pm

Maybe App will give him a job.

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Re: Frank Ponce

Unread post by postalapp90 » Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:14 pm

You mean applebee's. Not a chance. Nothing about his offense is fancy like.

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