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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:04 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:00 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
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Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
Got me there and unlike others can admit it. I haven't watched a GWebb game in awhile, but I can look at their results versus others. My goodness, you are scared that our coaching staff can't watch film and defend Gardner Webb. If that's the case the concern from our fanbase for the season will be real.

If we struggle with their RB, Gore Jr. will have 250 and 100 against us.
I'm not scared at all. In fact just a couple posts ago I said I fully expect to be in full control of the game at all times..

You put their RB behind a So Miss or Marshall o line, he has a good chance to lead the country in yards and TDs. Guy is a monster.

Likewise, you put Ali or Gore behind his line, and they look like what you seem to think Gaither is.
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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by ASUTodd » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:08 pm

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Its understandable after last season's disappointment how some feel this would be a good game even if for only a half. Also the fact GW played decent against the FBS opponents they faced last season.

Still, it's just tough for me to see or hear it being a possibility that App State at home for an opener in front of 30k plus fans against a FCS school should be a "good game".
I think Michigan had this mindset as well..... Cept put in there, Ann Arbor, 100k attendance, and top 5. Nothing is a gimme anymore and GW is a great coached team. On paper we beat them but without having played a game yet, the gremlins from last year may still haunt us. I'll never count out another team. I didn't think NC A&T would beat us either. I think we are all optimisticly hopefully at the prospect of a big win. I'm hopeful to be there cheering the guys on! Go Apps!

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:11 pm

311neers wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:03 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
Similar to our offense, which is innovative in different things we can do. A lot of pistol sets, stretch zone runs- RPO's. They'll pull guards sometimes in the run game along with some misdirected reverses. 2 tight end sets, some motions with tight ends. They'll try to spread us out, we cant put our linebackers in coverage or they might get us over the middle. All starts with plugging the gaps and blowing up their line. If we can stop the run we should be fine, hit em in the mouth and apply pressure. Losing their qb and some out wide skill guys should help our secondary. I'm excited to see our OLB/DE against what should be an inferior OL. My guess is they'll help chip our OLB/DE a good bit in pass pro or throw right at them as blitzers. Just some thoughts, sorry for jumping the gun.

Kind of feels like we're going against our own offense. We should be well prepped for the running dogs!
Overall sheme is similar but their scheme on the o line is NOTHING like ours. Only way it's similar is they also run zone, but they run it WAY different.

It's the only team I've seen run it this way and is very innovative. Granted, I don't have a ton of time to scout teams these days so I'm sure there's others, but it is unique.

Because of this, they can run so many motions, shifts, reach, scats, etc and give us perceived different looks, but then run their bread and butter still and gash defenses. It seems the motions, shifts, etc does not change any of the pre snap assignments so offense just rolls. Limited confusion. Limited chances for mistakes.

You don't have to think Lamb is an innovative young offensive genius, but the film shows otherwise.
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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by BambooRdApp » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm

Personally, I do not believe last year comes into play... seems like off-season was good and minds have gotten right. However, I do believe that the game will be closer than typical for two reasons. Newbie QB that has not really played in a game when game on the line. There may be potential growing pains. If we get a bit of lead, I hope they give Burger some opportunities to throw. If nothing else, repetitions against someone else besides App D. Second, we have many new faces on D. That will need to gel. We will see how well D communicates in this game.
I may be wrong, however, I believe we have potential to be pretty good by end of year.
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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by hapapp » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:27 pm

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Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
I don’t fall into either category. I just believe, perhaps incorrectly, that GW is a better team than our fans think.

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:28 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
I'm still just curious what he does against a y exit with dog and anchor dig/flat leverage but man boundary...

Or with X glide and back laser and rocket against an inside shade with anchor having an a gap read...
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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:28 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:28 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
I'm still just curious what he does against a y exit with dog and anchor have dig/flat leverage but man on the outside..

Or with X glide and back laser and rocket against an inside shade with anchor having an a gap read...
I’m guessing he punts.

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:36 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
Guys no one is taking that title from the two of you.

94 how’s using the odd shark data going? Tried to be polite earlier, but it’s cool you can be wrong too.

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:39 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:36 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
Guys no one is taking that title from the two of you.

94 how’s using the odd shark data going? Tried to be polite earlier, but it’s cool you can be wrong too.
How is saying Gaither isn't worth a grain of salt and then admitting you've never even watch him going? That's pretty expert level insight...

I'm not an expert by any means. If I was, I'd still be coaching. But, I have done research, watched film, and broke down their scheme some.

And then posted what I learned from those activities. You, on the other hand, seemingly know more than most about football(it's a message board and text is hard to read tone so apologies if it's not the case). You have admitted to not watching Gardner Webb lately yet somehow know their RB isn't very good, think they run the same offense as us, and it's going to be over before the ball is even kicked off.

As I've said many times -- to each their own. You're able to have those thoughts and express them. But, don't get butt hurt when someone that has actually done research posts what their research shows when it doesn't line up to what you somehow know without even watching them.
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:00 pm

You watched a player run against FCS defenses and he only ran for 110 yards once last year. My assessment is the threat isn’t so great, that as a fanbase we should be scared of him. Our coaches and players will be prepared.

Reasonable assumption from my perspective.

People that use terms like butt hurt are typically deflecting their emotions from my experience.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:02 pm

Earlier I said I hoped it would be a "competitive" game and I explained what I meant about that was not really referring to the score but to individual match-ups thereby giving the coaches more film for evaluation -
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Unread post by AppDub » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:03 pm

AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:28 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
I'm still just curious what he does against a y exit with dog and anchor dig/flat leverage but man boundary...

Or with X glide and back laser and rocket against an inside shade with anchor having an a gap read...
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Unread post by AtlAppMan » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:04 pm

If we play to our potential then we should win by a good margin. If we play below our potential it will be close or worse.

So my question is, are our guys really ready to play and prove last year was an anomaly or are they willing to accept mediocrity?

That will determine the margin of victory.

I want to see the dog again.

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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:07 pm

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You watched a player run against FCS defenses and he only ran for 110 yards once last year. My assessment is the threat isn’t so great, that as a fanbase we should be scared of him. Our coaches and players will be prepared.

Reasonable assumption from my perspective.

People that use terms like butt hurt are typically deflecting their emotions from my experience.
I have to agree. Watched some highlights on him, and he's quick, but most of the highlights were against the likes of Bryant, Charleston Southern, and Campbell. Even with a young defense I'd hope we're much better than those teams.

Can't find much about the "lots of eyes" on him at the next level.
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Re: It's Burger Time - GW discussion

Unread post by /\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:10 pm

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If we play to our potential then we should win by a good margin. If we play below our potential it will be close or worse.

So my question is, are our guys really ready to play and prove last year was an anomaly or are they willing to accept mediocrity?

That will determine the margin of victory.

I want to see the dog again.
I think this sums it up perfectly. Gardner Webb on paper and off of pure talent shouldn't come close to competing. And while there will be somewhat of a limited playbook for the first year QB, and both sides of the ball try to figure things out. When they step on the field in front of 30k plus, the heart and desire to show last year was not who App State football is should be on full display. Smack Gardner Webb in the mouth. Run it down their throats, and win the battle on the line.
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Unread post by AppSt94 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:14 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:36 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
Guys no one is taking that title from the two of you.

94 how’s using the odd shark data going? Tried to be polite earlier, but it’s cool you can be wrong too.
You don’t know how to be polite about anything that assaults your minimalist thinking.

Now go get your shine box.

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Unread post by PhillyApp1 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:19 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:04 pm
If we play to our potential then we should win by a good margin. If we play below our potential it will be close or worse.

So my question is, are our guys really ready to play and prove last year was an anomaly or are they willing to accept mediocrity?

That will determine the margin of victory.

I want to see the dog again.
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:22 pm

AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:14 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:36 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 4:14 pm
AppStateNews wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:48 pm
Saint3333 wrote:
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:17 pm
Sometimes the simplest explanation in the best. There is a strong correlation between 1) sandbaggers vs. GWebb and 2)defenders of the 6-6 season.
Or there are just some realists that understand its not either if those things...

You very clearly have not done any scouting on Gardner Webb but are seemingly an expert on them.

Can you please let us know how you'd defend against their innovative offense? Seems like you have expert knowledge you're withholding here...
He’s a self proclaimed expert on everything. Are you new here?
Guys no one is taking that title from the two of you.

94 how’s using the odd shark data going? Tried to be polite earlier, but it’s cool you can be wrong too.
You don’t know how to be polite about anything that assaults your minimalist thinking.

Now go get your shine box.
Only one of us has historically insulted the other.
That record is clear.

This typically occurs when someone doesn’t want to admit their error and attempts to lure the other into mud slinging. Have fun.

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Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:35 pm

Saint3333 wrote:
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You watched a player run against FCS defenses and he only ran for 110 yards once last year. My assessment is the threat isn’t so great, that as a fanbase we should be scared of him. Our coaches and players will be prepared.

Reasonable assumption from my perspective.

People that use terms like butt hurt are typically deflecting their emotions from my experience.
No, I watched a player that has averaged over 5.5 yards per carry his entire career and 6.4 yards a carry and over 100 a game last year. He actually had two games over 110 (137 and 245 -- 245 is a HUGE game regardless of level of football but you conveniently left that one out since it doesn't fit your narrative. I tried to be polite, but it's cool. You can be wrong too) and 6 of their 9 games going 100+ -- that's about as consistent as you can get. He's had two years as the primary RB and his numbers are all on par with Marcus Cox, Jalin Moore, and Darrynton Evans over the two seasons they were all primary ball carriers (really 1.5 seasons for Moore and Evans due to Moore's injury). Unless, you're saying Cox, Moore, and Evans weren't that good? Sure, he's going against FCS talent... but he also has FCS talent blocking for him. Again, you put him behind a Sun Belt line, he has a very good chance at leading the country in rushing yards and TDs. Kid is electric. Also, remember, we were Moore's ONLY offer so there is PLENTY of unfound talent out there. Just because he's at an FCS school doesn't mean he's not good.

Our coaches and players were prepared for Jayson Foster in 2007 too... and well, we know what happened there. We were also prepared for Matt Sczur in 2010 too... and well, we know what happened there. We were also prepared for Christian Reyes and Malcolm Dixon from Charleston Southern in 2013... and well, we know what happened there. The last example is the first game that came to mind when having a lot of young, unproven talent on the defensive side of the ball and an upperclassman skill player on offense that took advantage of the youth. The first two examples were just what immediately popped into my head about an electric opposing player just absolutely dominating us -- even though the coaches and players were prepared. An electric player can make all preparation seem moot.

My whole point isn't I think we are going to lose or we won't be prepared. My whole point is we are young on defense going against an innovative offense ran by an up and coming offensive genius with an electric RB that is going to be schemed to get the ball in his hands. If our young talent on the defensive side of the ball isn't as prepared as we hope or hesitate a little bit because it's their first start, it could be a long day seeing the back of #22 on the way in to the end zone. I don't think we'll lose. I think we'll be in the drivers seat the entire time.

I am just voicing they have a lot more talent than majority of our fans will think so it may not be a complete blow out. I hope I am eating crow in approximately 96 hours and Gaither starts the season with a negative average and we completely shut him down and completely dominate. This is not an "excuse" as you'll likely attempt to claim. I am simply jotting down the information I obtained when I did my research on this weeks opponent.

All of this, and I haven't even touched on the fact we have a QB making their first start, two book ends on the line making their first start (one that has never played o line before but has talent but will likely make mistakes), and two completely new coordinators and a bunch of new staff....

And the use of butt hurt was because you keep getting butt hurt when I prove your "expertise" is actually a fallacy and you're incorrect.

But...... I am still waiting on your answers below..

How would you defend against a y exit with dog and anchor dig/flat leverage but man boundary...

Or with X glide and back laser and rocket against an inside shade with anchor having an a gap read...
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