The cancer on this program is

[bcoach]

Its a completely different situation with a completely different resume in a completely, and incomparable, era of college football. I would absolutely take a young up and comer who is eager to win instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity.

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

Can you quote and highlight exactly where I said SC wants mediocrity? I'm genuinely curious.

" instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity."

[asumba95]

Unrealistic fan expectations (as in, we're going to the CFP every year)

[appdaze]

You really think SC wants to settle into mediocrity?

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

Can you quote and highlight exactly where I said SC wants mediocrity? I'm genuinely curious.

" instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity."

Ok, I can see how in the context of the the thread that could have been interpreted to mean SC. But I was meaning it toward another "safe" hire instead of bringing in an out of the family coach. If we bring in another App guy then mediocrity will be our new norm. We may have a good season here and there but there will be many 6-6 seasons.

[MrCraig]

I have been down this road way too many times since becoming a true APP fan - I'm not going to be getting into a back and forth on this as this is all I can say.

We were here last year with basically most of the same guys wanting the coach/es fired, in fact it has happened for many years. My first season as a real fan the signs I remember seeing were FIRE LANEY. I had no idea why as I was new to the program. As was mentioned previously there were FIRE MOORE periods of time even after he became the GOAT. And absolutely there was a pretty severe period of FIRE SATTERFIELD crap as well as posting a picture of a For Sale sign in front of the house. Drink wasn't here long enough to join this group but his assistant/s made the "big time".
I am not happy about how the team has looked/played this season, I'm sure no one is but what I would like to question those of you who are on the FIRE TRAIN, to tell me who / which program has maintained the level of APP over the last 10 years, particularly in the SunBelt. Other than just a small handful of elite P4 programs just about everyone else has been on the roller coaster ride during this time frame.
I have never blamed the status of where some believe the program is right now on Drink, Covid, NIL, Portal (although I did hear yesterday that Nate Noel was the 2nd leading rusher in the SEC and McLeod is rated one of the top pro prospects at his position) as there are problems other programs have to deal with. I do believe APP has picked up more overall talent than we have lost.
My feeling is regardless of how the rest of the season goes, Coach Clark should not be fired. In little over a week this program and university and community and its people have had their world turned upside down. No, we weren't playing at the level we expect before this happened but I'm not sure that some of the guys and coaches will get over this anytime soon.
So, you want to call in Coach Clark, AD Gillan, and all the assistant coaches and their families and tell them they are FIRED and of course, thank them for all they've done and we're sorry about all their losses (NOT Football losses) and See Ya Later?
Not a one of your guys on the FIRE THE COACHES TRAIN would have the balls to do that even if were justified - which it isn't.
That's all ---

HEAD COACH AT APP STATE (35-18 RECORD) 37-21
Year Overall League (Finish) Bowl (W/L)
2019 1-0 Took over after regular season New Orleans (W)
2020 9-3 6-2 (2nd East, 3rd Overall) Myrtle Beach (W)
2021 10-4 7-1 (1st East, 2nd Overall) Boca Raton (L)
2022 6-6 3-5 (4th East)
2023 9-5 6-2 (1st East, 3rd Overall) Cure (W)

3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison

I've agreed with you a lot in the past, but I disagree with this thinking vehemently. Yes, other programs have had ups and downs, but the downs almost always end with a coach being fired. App has been incredibly fortunate/smart in hiring and hasn't had to fire a coach in decades. At the end of this season, barring the team literally winning all the rest of their games, this coaching staff should be relieved of its duties.

As for the cherry picked stats, you can pick just as many ugly stats from the Clark era.
- No 1k yard rusher in 2 years after nearly a decade straight of 1k yard RBs
- First bowl loss
- First season without a bowl game
- 0 conference championships
- Allowed a record setting performance against Clemson
- And all those ranked wins can be paired with terrible losses: 2021 bad losses to ULL twice and WKU in the bowl game; 2022 had 5 conference losses; 2023 losses to mediocre Coastal and ODU teams and a blowout loss to Troy in the conference championship.

[appgrad95&97]

I would add to the above by noting that we weren't even competitive in our last four losses.

[mike87]

Different direction here but are all our receivers double and triple covered on every play or just the ones our QB passes the ball too? Sure, the coach also controls who is the QB but dang son. Maybe the #2 should give it a try.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I know I asked this question a few weeks ago and I’m pretty sure crickets chirped and there was no real answer so I’ll ask again. Over the last 5 years please supply 3-5 legit examples of a football coach fired who had:

A comparable record as SC
Had no real documented issues like arrests in the program
Had a good documented academic record for players
Was a program guy
Was liked by players and fans
Wanted to be at the school

I’m sure there will be a few examples with only one of the above. For me any coach fired from a peer or higher program who went 2-10 and 3-8 is excluded.

[appdaze]

Jumbo fisher, Charlie Weiss, Guz malzahn, Ed orgeron, Tom Herman, Paul Chryst to name a few.

[Saint3333]

I know I asked this question a few weeks ago and I’m pretty sure crickets chirped and there was no real answer so I’ll ask again. Over the last 5 years please supply 3-5 legit examples of a football coach fired who had:

A comparable record as SC
Had no real documented issues like arrests in the program
Had a good documented academic record for players
Was a program guy
Was liked by players and fans
Wanted to be at the school

I’m sure there will be a few examples with only one of the above. For me any coach fired from a peer or higher program who went 2-10 and 3-8 is excluded.

Looks like daze gave a few.

Reminder - the decision will be made in December and we can have this discussion at Thanksgiving or if you'd like to encourage the "whining" you said you'd like to avoid carry on.

[NewApp]

Different direction here but are all our receivers double and triple covered on every play or just the ones our QB passes the ball too? Sure, the coach also controls who is the QB but dang son. Maybe the #2 should give it a try.

Surely the coaches compare the two in practice and would have made a change if they saw a good reason.

[311neers]

I know I asked this question a few weeks ago and I’m pretty sure crickets chirped and there was no real answer so I’ll ask again. Over the last 5 years please supply 3-5 legit examples of a football coach fired who had:

A comparable record as SC
Had no real documented issues like arrests in the program
Had a good documented academic record for players
Was a program guy
Was liked by players and fans
Wanted to be at the school

I’m sure there will be a few examples with only one of the above. For me any coach fired from a peer or higher program who went 2-10 and 3-8 is excluded.

Mark Richt twice. 8 years ago at UGA. And 5 years ago at Miami too.

[bcoach]

Nope, and I never said I thought he did, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening. The retread comment is for the inevitable new hire. If we grab another retread, I believe there is a high possibility we slide into ECU territory of mediocrity. That is why we need to get new blood.

Maybe you didn't mean to but that is exactly what you did say.

Can you quote and highlight exactly where I said SC wants mediocrity? I'm genuinely curious.

" instead of another retread ready to settle into mediocrity."

Ok, I can see how in the context of the the thread that could have been interpreted to mean SC. But I was meaning it toward another "safe" hire instead of bringing in an out of the family coach. If we bring in another App guy then mediocrity will be our new norm. We may have a good season here and there but there will be many 6-6 seasons.

Well I think that we should be looking for the best coach possible when doing a search. I also think eliminating a guy because he was an APP guy would also be short sighted.

[hapapp]

Different direction here but are all our receivers double and triple covered on every play or just the ones our QB passes the ball too? Sure, the coach also controls who is the QB but dang son. Maybe the #2 should give it a try.

The QB who leads the SBC in passing? I agree that he hasn't been as sharp this year but that goes deeper than just him. Neither interception he threw on Saturday was his fault. Roberts bungled the easy flat pass and the MU DB ran through our receiver to intercept that one. Despite the loss on Saturday, that's the most yards their D has given up to a team not named Ohio State.

[Bigdaddyg1]

I know I asked this question a few weeks ago and I’m pretty sure crickets chirped and there was no real answer so I’ll ask again. Over the last 5 years please supply 3-5 legit examples of a football coach fired who had:

A comparable record as SC
Had no real documented issues like arrests in the program
Had a good documented academic record for players
Was a program guy
Was liked by players and fans
Wanted to be at the school

I’m sure there will be a few examples with only one of the above. For me any coach fired from a peer or higher program who went 2-10 and 3-8 is excluded.

Mark Richt twice. 8 years ago at UGA. And 5 years ago at Miami too.

The Ga example is far beyond the 5 year I mentioned and his last year was 2018- technically also beyond 5 years and also technically he retired from coaching in 2018.

[Saint3333]

Five years caveat seems arbitrary. Sorry it didn't meet your expectations.

[appgrad95&97]

I'm not sure there is any point in any of this. It's not clear to me that a change will be made this season or at the end of it. Personally, I can't imagine we'll pay the buy out or poney up for a good coach after. People on here make excuses, but until the on field performance impacts the finances of football, I don't see why Gillin would make a change. Watch Gillin's presentation at the Trustees' meeting, he focused on attendance, not performance. The Chairman focused on experience and atmosphere, not performance. I don't believe the actual decision makers are thinking about a change until it impacts the finances of the athletic department. Just my (never humble) opinion.

[BallantyneApp]

I know I asked this question a few weeks ago and I’m pretty sure crickets chirped and there was no real answer so I’ll ask again. Over the last 5 years please supply 3-5 legit examples of a football coach fired who had:

A comparable record as SC
Had no real documented issues like arrests in the program
Had a good documented academic record for players
Was a program guy
Was liked by players and fans
Wanted to be at the school

I’m sure there will be a few examples with only one of the above. For me any coach fired from a peer or higher program who went 2-10 and 3-8 is excluded.

This was answered before.

boise state fired alum Andy Avalos who had a 22-14 record. Now they are in pole position for the playoff spot.

Honestly I don’t care if we like our head coach and I REALLY don’t care if they “want to be here” as long as they win while they are here.

[AppSt91]

Any chance we see some reassignments in the defensive staff this week?

[AppStFan1]

I'm not sure there is any point in any of this. It's not clear to me that a change will be made this season or at the end of it. Personally, I can't imagine we'll pay the buy out or poney up for a good coach after. People on here make excuses, but until the on field performance impacts the finances of football, I don't see why Gillin would make a change. Watch Gillin's presentation at the Trustees' meeting, he focused on attendance, not performance. The Chairman focused on experience and atmosphere, not performance. I don't believe the actual decision makers are thinking about a change until it impacts the finances of the athletic department. Just my (never humble) opinion.

I think Shawn can absolutely save his job and those who want him gone now are not going to get their wish. I just don't think he will this time. I expect Gillin to let the whole season play out and to wait until after Dec 1 so the buyout shrinks.

We are already seeing a loss in money as some are cancelling their TIGMA subscriptions. I never subscribed to TIGMA but I can tell you if I had I would have cancelled mine this right after the South Alabama game.

The players getting NIL are being seen as pros as the players are going to get heat from fans because they are taking hard earned money. Not to mention this economy is really bad so people view their money as even more precious since most don't have much discretionary income to begin with.

[KentHogan]

If Clark is removed and I have my doubts.
App should hire the best available offensive minded coach who is looking to make a splash at App and then move on to bigger jobs.

The best coaches won’t stay at App long term, forget it.

So, find the best coach and then another one when he leaves.

I know it sucks, but that’s reality.