Revisiting Track Removal/Renovation

[NewApp]

He didn't pile on. He simply tried to inform you on topics you seem to not have too much knowledge about. He told you we raised that money to specifically help the football team. Giving to Yosef club does not accomplish what we wanted to accomplish. The $100k in TV revenue I'm sure is earmarked for far more pressing needs throughout the athletic department, not weightlifting equipment for the football team. Moose told you not many G5 programs have this equipment. The fundraising wasn't out of absolute necessity, it was more so a charitable gift from MMB. We didn't "have" to do anything as you said. Keep up.

Makes sense. But I sure hope we got much more than $100 K out of TV this year. That's not even close to how much we draw for the gate at one football home game, not to mention what we get on the road. Part of my reluctance is due to the fact that we are a good ways away from being fully funded in athletic scholarships. FWIW, I do keep up with what is posted on this board. I just disagree with part of it.

[firemoose]

I'm not critical, I'm just saying that with the TV revenue we are supposedly getting, that despite categorical funding, there should be funding that will pay for it whether it is something other programs have or not. That money could go to increase levels of Yosef scholarship money which goes directly to student athletes in all sports. I stand by most posts.

You've been critical several times about the fundraisers starting with posts made in last years thread. That what I was and am referring to. We never asked people not give to Yosef or anywhere else. We simply asked for anyone who wanted to and had the means to offer some help to buy some additional equipment or to upgrade equipment. I even held off on starting the one this year because the request came at the same time that Yosef Club prices and ticket prices were changing and they were making the Yosef Club membership push. I didn't want to place an undue burden on those already helping.

And why don't you look closer at your own words. By the generous people on this board and others giving of their hard earned money to help S & C to be better, which also helps our student athletes in all sports, that means that more of that "TV revenue" actually does go to help other areas instead of having to use it for S & C. I stand by my post.

And thanks for piling on. Read my previous post and tell me where I'm wrong.

As far as piling on goes. From someone who puts a message in their signature that tells people that you can say anything you want and if people don't like it just ignore it or don't respond, that's pretty funny. If you think that tiny type note gives you carte blanche to say anything without risk of reply you are mistaken. I have had very few interactions with you on here because I've got other things to spend my time on. But a lot of people have put much time and effort into these fundraisers and if you don't like it then again, take your own advise.

[NewApp]

I'm not critical, I'm just saying that with the TV revenue we are supposedly getting, that despite categorical funding, there should be funding that will pay for it whether it is something other programs have or not. That money could go to increase levels of Yosef scholarship money which goes directly to student athletes in all sports. I stand by most posts.

You've been critical several times about the fundraisers starting with posts made in last years thread. That what I was and am referring to. We never asked people not give to Yosef or anywhere else. We simply asked for anyone who wanted to and had the means to offer some help to buy some additional equipment or to upgrade equipment. I even held off on starting the one this year because the request came at the same time that Yosef Club prices and ticket prices were changing and they were making the Yosef Club membership push. I didn't want to place an undue burden on those already helping.

And why don't you look closer at your own words. By the generous people on this board and others giving of their hard earned money to help S & C to be better, which also helps our student athletes in all sports, that means that more of that "TV revenue" actually does go to help other areas instead of having to use it for S & C. I stand by my post.

And thanks for piling on. Read my previous post and tell me where I'm wrong.

As far as piling on goes. From someone who puts a message in their signature that tells people that you can say anything you want and if people don't like it just ignore it or don't respond, that's pretty funny. If you think that tiny type note gives you carte blanche to say anything without risk of reply you are mistaken. I have had very few interactions with you on here because I've got other things to spend my time on. But a lot of people have put much time and effort into these fundraisers and if you don't like it then again, take your own advise.

I've never been critical except to say the money ought to be budgeted so things like this could go to benefit all athletes. That's all. I think our sports administration is top heavy. It works well, but with that many people they should ought to be able to stream line. We need to be fully funded.

[hapapp]

You do realize that all our teams take advantage of the S&C program.

[NewApp]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

[hotrod2001]

IMO this needs to be priority #1 on the docket. It really is small time and not aesthetically pleasing either. If we're taking money out of the equation the it's absolutely realistic to have it out of there in 5 years, Duke did it in an off season. As for problems with digging down, I would assume if they had no problems putting the track down there shouldn't be any problem tearing it up. Could be wrong, though. Not sure how I would feel about what Nevada did either, I kinda like it but the on the other hand it's a cheap fix and still doesn't look great.

Do you remember the post where asu66 told how much Duke paid?

It was a $100 million dollar renovation all together, couldn't find a specific price for the removal.

However, from doing a little research on the internet it seems the typical cost of removing a track is around $15k. I would think we could afford the initial cost of removal, it what's we do after the removal that might be out of our price range.

Yep finding a suitable location giving the topography of our area, it will indeed be a huge accomplishment to find and develop a suitable location for a top quality venue for out new track. I just think we have far greater needs than being so petty about our track looking high schoolish. I don't care what other stadiums look like, we are wise to be able to save money for wiser projects by having a multi-purpose facility. To hell with what others do. Everybody who enters our stadium admires it.

Seriously, we should look into the old WHS property...all that suitable location and topography you mention has already been taken care of...and not that far off campus. Some improvements/renovations are obviously going to be need but the blasting and massive landscaping has already been done.

[hotrod2001]

As for stadium improvments...

Remove the track and add permanent curved seats on the north end zone which wraps around to the concourses. Instead of digging down, we could instead fill the area to make it nice and level.

For aesthetic purposes, bring back the damn black endzones and flip the "A" in the center line so it faces away from the home side. Since television broadcasts are from the visitor side, 1. the A will actually appear rightside up and 2. crowd shots will look better with a packed home side. It's a little thing which has always annoyed me, but will make a big impact.



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[proasu89]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

To my knowledge the Quinn Center only became devoted to athletes once the new Rec Center was built.

[AppDawg]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I was able to use the Quinn anytime I wanted and never recall being cramped or forced out by athletes. And this was years before the UREC was built.

[EastHallApp]

As for stadium improvments...

Remove the track and add permanent curved seats on the north end zone which wraps around to the concourses. Instead of digging down, we could instead fill the area to make it nice and level.

For aesthetic purposes, bring back the damn black endzones and flip the "A" in the center line so it faces away from the home side. Since television broadcasts are from the visitor side, 1. the A will actually appear rightside up and 2. crowd shots will look better with a packed home side. It's a little thing which has always annoyed me, but will make a big impact.



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That second option is dadgum beautiful.

[AppinVA]

As for stadium improvments...

Remove the track and add permanent curved seats on the north end zone which wraps around to the concourses. Instead of digging down, we could instead fill the area to make it nice and level.

For aesthetic purposes, bring back the damn black endzones and flip the "A" in the center line so it faces away from the home side. Since television broadcasts are from the visitor side, 1. the A will actually appear rightside up and 2. crowd shots will look better with a packed home side. It's a little thing which has always annoyed me, but will make a big impact.



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That second option is dadgum beautiful.

I do like the second one, but the TV angle is taken from the West Side, so the "A" does not need to be flipped.

[appst89]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I don't know where this information came from, but I worked in the Quinn Center when it opened. While I was there, it was 100% student use. Obviously, athletes could use the facilities because they are students too, but there was no use of the Quinn by the athletic department.

[tigersef]

The second option is perfect! The additional weight room space and facility space needs could be fulfilled in the levels below the north side stands and an additional level could be added above the concourse to accommodate premium seating needs. Anything short of this type of improvement to the lower bowl would be shortsighted. Wait until the debt capacity is available and do it right!

[NewApp]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I don't know where this information came from, but I worked in the Quinn Center when it opened. While I was there, it was 100% student use. Obviously, athletes could use the facilities because they are students too, but there was no use of the Quinn by the athletic department.

I don't anything about when it was first opened but when my son was there, he could rarely get in because of athletes.

[ASUMountaineer]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I don't know where this information came from, but I worked in the Quinn Center when it opened. While I was there, it was 100% student use. Obviously, athletes could use the facilities because they are students too, but there was no use of the Quinn by the athletic department.

I don't anything about when it was first opened but when my son was there, he could rarely get in because of athletes.

He must not have been there during 99-03, because that's when I was there and not once did I have an issue as you've described. I used to run, play racquetball, play basketball, and lift whenever I wanted. Even seriously banged up my knee playing ball up there. I rarely, if ever, saw athletes in there.

[fjblair]

The second option is perfect! The additional weight room space and facility space needs could be fulfilled in the levels below the north side stands and an additional level could be added above the concourse to accommodate premium seating needs. Anything short of this type of improvement to the lower bowl would be shortsighted. Wait until the debt capacity is available and do it right!

I tend to agree but that is probably many years away and the track needs to be moved now. I don't know what the answer is or what to expect.

[Yosef10]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I don't know where this information came from, but I worked in the Quinn Center when it opened. While I was there, it was 100% student use. Obviously, athletes could use the facilities because they are students too, but there was no use of the Quinn by the athletic department.

I don't anything about when it was first opened but when my son was there, he could rarely get in because of athletes.

He must not have been there during 99-03, because that's when I was there and not once did I have an issue as you've described. I used to run, play racquetball, play basketball, and lift whenever I wanted. Even seriously banged up my knee playing ball up there. I rarely, if ever, saw athletes in there.

Same goes for 2010-2014. Never any trouble getting into Quinn once.

[NewApp]

When they can get in. The Quinn Center was originally meant for all students, but non athletes could rarely get to use it. Hopefully this been corrected to some extent given the size of the one we have now.

I don't know where this information came from, but I worked in the Quinn Center when it opened. While I was there, it was 100% student use. Obviously, athletes could use the facilities because they are students too, but there was no use of the Quinn by the athletic department.

I don't anything about when it was first opened but when my son was there, he could rarely get in because of athletes.

He must not have been there during 99-03, because that's when I was there and not once did I have an issue as you've described. I used to run, play racquetball, play basketball, and lift whenever I wanted. Even seriously banged up my knee playing ball up there. I rarely, if ever, saw athletes in there.

Same goes for 2010-2014. Never any trouble getting into Quinn once.

Of course not. We now have the new facility for athletes.

[Yosef10]

Do we have an ignore function on this board?

[NewApp]

Do we have an ignore function on this board?

Feel free. If you can't handle an opinion different from your own, go right ahead. It won't hurt my feelings at all.