Stadium renovation to start soon?

[appst89]

I think another poster nailed it with the remarks about any possible stadium expansion coming after the Campaign for Appalachian has reached its goal. I think we expected to raise the 200 million dollars a little faster than we currently are.

We're at $157.1 at this point according to the Campaign for Appalachian website.

Why not just go ahead and scoop the $50 Mil athletics allotment? PR? Would Jamie Price and her gaggle of ivory tower "intellectuals" raise hell?

The $200 million is not all "new" money. It includes everything that has been raised over the past few years. There is not going to be $50 million of "new" money for athletics.

?

New or old, 50 mil goes to athletics.

But some of it has alreaady gone to athletics. That was the point I was trying to make. Athletics is not getting another $50 million.

[Gonzo]

Oh I see. So they've been spending as they're going?

[kiddbrewer]

There have been a hell of a lot more communication failures in the past two years than limited stadium expansion info.

That being said, it would benefit us greatly if they would just release more renderings. Even if the time frame is much farther out than we hope/expect, the hype of seeing with our own eyes the coming expansion on a regular basis would help donations and build excitement for the coming season. I can't imagine it would be too expensive to draw up some plans.

I don't look at it as a colossal failure like the so many other communication issues we've had recently. More of a missed marketing opportunity in the short term.

I agree with most of what you said. I do think it would be beneficial for fund raising. But I don't want them to release something just to release something and end up releasing a half a$$ed rendering of what our stadium might look like.

As to a missed opportunity, I'll stick to what I said earlier in this thread. The REAL excitement and the REAL opportunity comes when we start playing a real football schedule, i.e. sans Elon, Samford, A&T. When 2015 rolls around and we haven't released anything, then, as you would put it, "Colossal failure."

As for 70...

[appst89]

Oh I see. So they've been spending as they're going?

The $200 million is a cumulative thing. So, yes, some of it has already been spent and some hasn't. For example, the money given by the ladies in Blowing Rock for the renovation of Farthing counts as part of the $200 million total, but it is being spent right now. There will be some new money, but I don't think I have heard how much that will be.

[bcoach]

I think another poster nailed it with the remarks about any possible stadium expansion coming after the Campaign for Appalachian has reached its goal. I think we expected to raise the 200 million dollars a little faster than we currently are.

We're at $157.1 at this point according to the Campaign for Appalachian website.

Why not just go ahead and scoop the $50 Mil athletics allotment? PR? Would Jamie Price and her gaggle of ivory tower "intellectuals" raise hell?

The $200 million is not all "new" money. It includes everything that has been raised over the past few years. There is not going to be $50 million of "new" money for athletics.

?

New or old, 50 mil goes to athletics.

New or old the fund is 42.9 short so why should athletics get their full share at this point?

[Gonzo]

I think another poster nailed it with the remarks about any possible stadium expansion coming after the Campaign for Appalachian has reached its goal. I think we expected to raise the 200 million dollars a little faster than we currently are.

We're at $157.1 at this point according to the Campaign for Appalachian website.

Why not just go ahead and scoop the $50 Mil athletics allotment? PR? Would Jamie Price and her gaggle of ivory tower "intellectuals" raise hell?

The $200 million is not all "new" money. It includes everything that has been raised over the past few years. There is not going to be $50 million of "new" money for athletics.

?

New or old, 50 mil goes to athletics.

New or old the fund is 42.9 short so why should athletics get their full share at this point?

I don't care if other allotments are used before the goal is met either (and apparently they are), I just mentioned athletics because that is my concern.

[GoApps70]

Kind of shows the administration needs to lay things out and make a statement.
Timetable and standing of future expansion could be done with an address of the subject.
Would put things into perspective and share our common desire to make our football program better.
You only get one chance to take advantage of the increased pride derived from an FBS jump.
To just throw it away will have an affect for years to come.





By the way kb, blah,blah,blah to you.

[bcoach]

Kind of shows the administration needs to lay things out and make a statement.
Timetable and standing of future expansion could be done with an address of the subject.
Would put things into perspective and share our common desire to make our football program better.
You only get one chance to take advantage of the increased pride derived from an FBS jump.
To just throw it away will have an affect for years to come.





By the way kb, blah,blah,blah to you.

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

[Gonzo]

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

You know you don't have to post on every topic, man.

So you're speculating that the reason for the limited amount of info regarding stadium enhancements is that the administration doesn't want to further exacerbate any negative feeling certain fans that wanted to stay FCS may have?

Is it even necessary for me to call that utterly ridiculous?

[MountaineerNation]

Honestly I don't think it's any more than they don't have a plan yet

[hapapp]

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

You know you don't have to post on every topic, man.

So you're speculating that the reason for the limited amount of info regarding stadium enhancements is that the administration doesn't want to further exacerbate any negative feeling certain fans that wanted to stay FCS may have?

Is it even necessary for me to call that utterly ridiculous?

Apparently, he gives you a reason to post.

Seems to me his reason is as good as any. Though my guess is that there simply isn't a plan yet.

[GoApps70]

Guess that motto of Always Attack escapes some. Any of you ever see me back down from anything, other than in jest? Any trite remarks just have a tendency to egg me on more. As it would for most of you. Will drop this subject though. At least I seem to have my answer that they just do not know. I don't buy the idea that there are a lot of hurt FCS posters that are in a state of depression.

[Gonzo]

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

You know you don't have to post on every topic, man.

So you're speculating that the reason for the limited amount of info regarding stadium enhancements is that the administration doesn't want to further exacerbate any negative feeling certain fans that wanted to stay FCS may have?

Is it even necessary for me to call that utterly ridiculous?

Apparently, he gives you a reason to post.

Seems to me his reason is as good as any. Though my guess is that there simply isn't a plan yet.

Dude.... It was the most nonsensical thing I've ever read. I think bcoach is Joshua Watauga.

I'll give him a 10 for creativity though.

[ASUMountaineer]

What is this a circle .... of Charlie Cobb's children?
You know nothing, but excusing them for not even making a statement.
Would not cost a dang penny to issue a statement. Why keep saying
we don't have the money. No one is asking for anyone to spend any
money, just to give us a time line. Not asking anyone on this board to
do anything. Is that a concept that is too hard to
understand? Too in depth in detail to comprehend? Now change the
subject again and make snide comments, they serve you well if your
intentions are to misdirect and poke fun at everything said. Grow up
a little.

How can you create a time line if you don't know how much money will be available and where it is coming from? Do we have a definitive answer to the question of the level of demand for additional seating? If we have some back to back bad seasons on the field and some unfriendly weather, we just might not need any more seating. Let's pay off the debts and bonds we already have before we try to spend more money we don't have.

It would be like a couple who just moved into a new house they can barely afford and already planning to build another bigger house not knowing of their future employment status.

Wow, I'm not sure I've ever said this before but...excellent post, JCline.

[ASUMountaineer]

Kind of shows the administration needs to lay things out and make a statement.
Timetable and standing of future expansion could be done with an address of the subject.
Would put things into perspective and share our common desire to make our football program better.
You only get one chance to take advantage of the increased pride derived from an FBS jump.
To just throw it away will have an affect for years to come.





By the way kb, blah,blah,blah to you.

Not if they don't have a current building and financial plan in place. You're being irrational.

[bcoach]

He is so easy

[GoApps70]

Kind of shows the administration needs to lay things out and make a statement.
Timetable and standing of future expansion could be done with an address of the subject.
Would put things into perspective and share our common desire to make our football program better.
You only get one chance to take advantage of the increased pride derived from an FBS jump.
To just throw it away will have an affect for years to come.





By the way kb, blah,blah,blah to you.

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

Obfuscating on the matter will not take away the need for clarity on the subject. "I think I'm out and they pull me back in." Dr. Peacock is leaving and Charlie Cobb could leave at any time. The SoMiss AD job that he was a top candidate for just becoming available again. Would be great to have an update while we can. We have one of the smallest stadiums in the Sun Belt, which is a disadvantage for recruiting or bringing in FBS teams to Boone. We need to hear how the ship is being steered on future seating while we can, new people coming in could take forever to formulate ideas.

[AppDawg]

All of this talk has got me thinking back to 2005 and the announcement of the Facilities Enhancement Campaign. If I recall correctly, was there not a silent fundraising phase completed prior to going public? I was able to dig up the article below that mentions planning for the enhancements was nearly a 2 yr process before going public. I think that is the best way to approach future growth. Fundraise siletly to corporations/wealthy alumni like a private placement offering to a coroporation... Next season when we hopefully have a decently know FBSer come to Boone (Marshall/Wake/etc) announce the public portion of the fundraising and state of our goal we have already raised X%. By waiting until that moment we tap into the full excitement of FBS to the "novice" fan and the fans that are still on the fence of the FCS/FBS decision.



http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Sa...=1041611506842



Appalachian planning new fieldhouse, baseball stadium


By Tommy Bowman
JOURNAL REPORTER

BOONE

Appalachian State's $32 million project for athletics-facilities enhancement will include a new four-story fieldhouse that will be built behind the east-side grandstands and be part of Kidd Brewer Stadium.

Also included in the opening phase of the project is an indoor practice facility for outdoor sports that will be located in the right-field area of ASU's existing baseball stadium. The existing baseball stadium will be converted into a softball stadium and a new 2,000-seat baseball stadium will be built behind ASU's Broyhill Inn.

The new 100,000 square foot fieldhouse will include locker rooms, weight and training areas and athletic offices as well as 10 corporate suites, a chancellor's box and club-level seating. Owens Field House will remain for continued use, probably as office and visitor's locker room space. Construction of the new facility is scheduled to begin after the completion of football season.

Plans will be unveiled at halftime of today's ASU football game against Western Carolina.

"Appalachian, in the last five years, has built close to $400 million of new facilities for academics and the school has grown to become one of the most popular for graduating high-school seniors throughout the state," said Ed Broyhill, the chairman of the athletics-facilities campaign. "With that popularity and growth of the campus, Appalachian deserves an athletic program that is superior and one that rivals other universities throughout the state.

"Our new athletic director, Charlie Cobb, certainly brought with him a reputation of building some of the finer facilities at N.C. State so we're certainly benefiting from his experience."

The athletics-facilities project, funded by both student fees and private donations and nearly two years in the making, will include three other phases to begin at a later date. Those phases include a new soccer stadium to be built near the new baseball stadium; tennis-facility enhancements; a new field-hockey stadium; a practice facility for indoor sports (possibly a renovation of Varsity Gym); and expansion of Kidd Brewer Stadium, which will be based on demand.

Construction of the new indoor practice facility for outdoor sports, moving the baseball stadium and coversion to a softball facility will begin after the next baseball season. Plans for the indoor practice facility call for a 40,000 square foot structure with an 80-by-60-yard artificial surface. Construction of the new soccer stadium is scheduled to begin in the fall of 2007.

"We are pleased with the plan," Broyhill said. "Our greatest challenge in Boone is that the terrain is mountainous and it is very costly to build facilities. We've had to take that into account as well as being landlocked so we've had to be very careful ecologically.

"I like the fact that all of the Olympics-sports staffs will be consolidated in one area, and we'll have much more square footage in terms of overall space with the new building and in keeping Owens Field House. Having the indoor practice facility adjacent to the stadium, as well as a first-class weight room, I think will serve as a wonderful recruiting tool."

• Tommy Bowman can be reached at 727-7320 or at tbowman@wsjournal.com

[bcoach]

Kind of shows the administration needs to lay things out and make a statement.
Timetable and standing of future expansion could be done with an address of the subject.
Would put things into perspective and share our common desire to make our football program better.
You only get one chance to take advantage of the increased pride derived from an FBS jump.
To just throw it away will have an affect for years to come.





By the way kb, blah,blah,blah to you.

Could it be that they feel it is time to back off a little and let things settle down some? There are an awful lot of people who do not feel that increased pride. You may not realize this but people are still very divided on this. Many people who are important to the university. It does not really matter how you feel about that as it is just a fact. This is not an argument for or against so please don't start that. What I am saying though is that due to the fact that we have a facility that is near the top of our level, we have replaced a long time coach, and we have made the move to FBS maybe it is time to let some of the wounds heal. Maybe it is time for other things on campus get some attention. There will be plenty of time to continue with expanding the program. Sometimes you just have to be smart and maybe that is what they are doing. You don't win over the hearts and minds of those on the other side by continuing to aggravate them. If there was something we needed right now that would be one thing, but we have what we need for a while so it is time to let the dust settle.

Obfuscating on the matter will not take away the need for clarity on the subject. "I think I'm out and they pull me back in." Dr. Peacock is leaving and Charlie Cobb could leave at any time. The SoMiss AD job that he was a top candidate for just becoming available again. Would be great to have an update while we can. We have one of the smallest stadiums in the Sun Belt, which is a disadvantage for recruiting or bringing in FBS teams to Boone. We need to hear how the ship is being steered on future seating while we can, new people coming in could take forever to formulate ideas.

"Obfuscating on the matter will not take away the need for clarity on the subject."
Now that is just confusing

[TheMoody1]

a new 2,000-seat baseball stadium will be built behind ASU's Broyhill Inn.

Unfortunately this got scaled down.