Troy is the better team,but.....

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by JTApps1 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:40 am

diehardapp18 wrote:This game turned when we were up 17-14 with all the momentum after a shanked punt and Parker Collins committed one of the dumbest penalties I've ever seen which led to a punt. Inexcusable from a senior.
Yes! We had all the momentum at that point and we shoot ourselves in the foot with a dumb penalty. That killed our momentum at a time that we could have taken control.

Of course there was the offsides on the field goal attempt that lead to a TD. Those 4 points were the difference in the final score.

The biggest problem I have with the mistakes we made is that they were made by Seniors who should know better.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by Rekdiver » Sun Nov 13, 2016 7:58 am

No buts....Troy was bigger and beat us. I failed to see any adjustments where Woody decided to pressure their QB. Their O was better than our D period. Their D kept both Moore and Cox under 100yards. Troy has a good club and will whip AState to death.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by Goapps15 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:34 am

One other thing that might not have been mentioned, is Marcus Cox did not play well yesterday. That's the biggest game of the season, and it's a big time dud. The fumble and ran really tentatively.

Troy isn't the better team. If we play 10 times we win 5. On one day they just made the 50/50 plays. Tip your hat to them.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:42 am

Goapps15 wrote:One other thing that might not have been mentioned, is Marcus Cox did not play well yesterday. That's the biggest game of the season, and it's a big time dud. The fumble and ran really tentatively.

Troy isn't the better team. If we play 10 times we win 5. On one day they just made the 50/50 plays. Tip your hat to them.
He did not play well because of their D. You can start listing 100 excuses and it is not going to change that score board. It is not going to change the stats. We are a very good team we just are not the best at this point. We can make up stuff like how many times we would beat them out of 10 but we only play them ONE time and they beat us. Time to go play the next game.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by Goapps15 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:47 am

bcoach wrote:
Goapps15 wrote:One other thing that might not have been mentioned, is Marcus Cox did not play well yesterday. That's the biggest game of the season, and it's a big time dud. The fumble and ran really tentatively.

Troy isn't the better team. If we play 10 times we win 5. On one day they just made the 50/50 plays. Tip your hat to them.
He did not play well because of their D. You can start listing 100 excuses and it is not going to change that score board. It is not going to change the stats. We are a very good team we just are not the best at this point. We can make up stuff like how many times we would beat them out of 10 but we only play them ONE time and they beat us. Time to go play the next game.
I don't disagree with the second part but Marcus had the same holes as Jalin and Jalin made alot more happen.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by bcoach » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:53 am

Goapps15 wrote:
bcoach wrote:
Goapps15 wrote:One other thing that might not have been mentioned, is Marcus Cox did not play well yesterday. That's the biggest game of the season, and it's a big time dud. The fumble and ran really tentatively.

Troy isn't the better team. If we play 10 times we win 5. On one day they just made the 50/50 plays. Tip your hat to them.
He did not play well because of their D. You can start listing 100 excuses and it is not going to change that score board. It is not going to change the stats. We are a very good team we just are not the best at this point. We can make up stuff like how many times we would beat them out of 10 but we only play them ONE time and they beat us. Time to go play the next game.
I don't disagree with the second part but Marcus had the same holes as Jalin and Jalin made alot more happen.
Well I don't have the video to be able to overlay and see if the holes were the same but we still lost. Plain and simple their D was better than our O.

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Unread post by Jagd1305 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:25 am

As a Troy fan who rarely posts on any message boards anymore, I thought I'd drop a quick post here and drift back off into message board retirement.
First off, outstanding game to your guys and very well done.
Secondly, I have to respectfully disagree with the idea Troy would win 8 times out of 10 with ASU. From last year's overtime loss there and last night's game, I see this series as a 50/50 proposition at best. This series has become a contest where victory is decide by the smallest of things; clock management over a few seconds, a five yard penalty mid game or a missed block.
The existing parity of these two schools means that the outcome is unforgiving of any slip ups at any point of the game.
Thanks for bringing that to the Sunbelt. It's an excitement that has been sorely needed.
Now it's back into the haze of the net for me...

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Unread post by ASUGoose » Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:41 am

Most concerning points from the Troy game:
- We are 10 games into the season and still have alarming number of unnecessary penalties, especially from upperclassmen.
- We are in Satt's 4th year as head coach and the clock management issues continue to happen.

Both of the above should be correctable but very concerning that they continue to happen and they finally caught up to us in the form of a loss to a great team in Troy. Tip of the hat to the Trojans as they were the better team yesterday.

Also - continuing to attempt to run when Troy stacked 9 guys in the box is also concerning. The times they had 7 or less in the box, we ran it well which from a numbers standpoint makes sense, especially against a stout Troy run defense. Have to make better in game adjustments accordingly.

We really missed T Sims out there today on the pass rush.

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Unread post by ASU3432Mi » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:47 am

Right on Big Daddy!

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Unread post by Stonewall » Sun Nov 13, 2016 12:59 pm

Neither Cox or Moore are 100 percent. The speed isn't quite there. Anyway ,upon further review,I will upgrade my opinion ...they are the better team,not in every area but enough. Could we beat them? Of course...but not most of the time. We have to get better upfront, a lot better.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Nov 13, 2016 2:38 pm

Stonewall wrote:Neither Cox or Moore are 100 percent. The speed isn't quite there. Anyway ,upon further review,I will upgrade my opinion ...they are the better team,not in every area but enough. Could we beat them? Of course...but not most of the time. We have to get better upfront, a lot better.
And again - we were ahead on their field with 1+ minute left in the game with them facing a do or die 4th down --- they made the play but nothing tells me they are a marginally better team ---
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:07 pm

Watching the game, Troy looked like the better team, it's ok to say that. Could App beat Troy, of course, but let's give that team some credit.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:09 pm

So if we had held on that 4th down who would have been the best team? ---
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:11 pm

Troy looked bigger and better overall than App. We've been the better team in losses and the worse team in wins many times.

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Unread post by hapapp » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:11 pm

Goapps15 wrote:
bcoach wrote:
Goapps15 wrote:One other thing that might not have been mentioned, is Marcus Cox did not play well yesterday. That's the biggest game of the season, and it's a big time dud. The fumble and ran really tentatively.

Troy isn't the better team. If we play 10 times we win 5. On one day they just made the 50/50 plays. Tip your hat to them.
He did not play well because of their D. You can start listing 100 excuses and it is not going to change that score board. It is not going to change the stats. We are a very good team we just are not the best at this point. We can make up stuff like how many times we would beat them out of 10 but we only play them ONE time and they beat us. Time to go play the next game.
I don't disagree with the second part but Marcus had the same holes as Jalin and Jalin made alot more happen.
Marcus is a more patient runner than Jalin and last night that was a bit of a handicap.

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:16 pm

Troy is a very good team - never insinuated they were anything but --- their offense was basically what I expected, their defense was better than I anticipated ---
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Unread post by Saint3333 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:25 pm

We still have the better defense IMO, but not by as much as I thought going into the game.

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Unread post by proasu89 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 3:53 pm

GreatAppSt wrote:Hate to say it but, there's always next year. :|
:lol: True. Somebody is going to bring it up eventually so it might as well be now. Due to fitting Coastal into next years schedule we will not play Troy or stAte. I think the other team out is USA, since they were already off for this season.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 4:03 pm

Rekdiver wrote:No buts....Troy was bigger and beat us. I failed to see any adjustments where Woody decided to pressure their QB. Their O was better than our D period. Their D kept both Moore and Cox under 100yards. Troy has a good club and will whip AState to death.

We made adjustments and shut down Chun. NOBODY has pressured their QB this year. We sacked him once which is only about the second time this year he's been sacked.

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Re: Troy is the better team,but.....

Unread post by Yosefus » Sun Nov 13, 2016 5:26 pm

Troy is in the AP T25 this week after a win over us. We were ahead with a minute to go in the game. Couple of different plays or penalty or who knows we would all be cheering our first Top 25 ranking. It hurt to lose that game but what an experience it is to watch the last 2 years. Maybe with this loss we can hang on to the coaching staff at least 1 more year

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