11-1 and SBC champs per Massey Ratings

[QueencityApp]

Miami had something Tennessee didn't have - a QB who could throw NFL-quality deep balls - and bunch of big, fast receivers. I am still skeptical of the whole idea that we just somehow weren't mentally prepared for them. I think we just got our butts kicked. Yes we made some mistakes but I'm not convinced it was because we held a pep rally or whatever.

Wake is an improving program but we will not be at anywhere near the athletic disadvantage we were vs. Miami.

I hear ya East, I was really surprised Dobbs went (4th Rd #135 overall) and Kaaya went (6th Rd #215 overall) in the draft this year. In the stands during the Miami game I was like this kid is dropping 40 yrd bombs right in the breadbasket and his receivers aren't even having to work for it. I totally thought he was going at worst 2nd round. Dobbs didn't impress me. He has some mobility but his passing was no where near that of Kaaya.

[Yosef84]

I agree we won't make the same mistake with another ACC in our house this year. BUT, I completely disagree with you about what the mistake last year was. Against Miami, App was so excited that such a team was up here, we overran plays, over threw passes, over blocked schemes, over slobbered, over coached, over breathed, over everything-ed. All we needed to have done was just calm the hell down and play App football. That's all.

This year, Coach needs to have the team relax; do yoga, whatever it takes to calm down and focus on playing football.

To quote Jackie Chan: Your focus needs more focus.

You just described a bunch of mistakes, isn't that a debacle? I think you kind of summarized my point in a more verbose form.

One key point I think occurred is Mark Richt seriously outcoached Satt. Unlike he UT game, The U hit us everywhere we had a weakness and we were not prepared.

If I recall correctly, Miami went to a no huddle fast paced attack and exposed a weakness others later tried to exploit...less successfully. So I will agree with getting outcoached. I don't know if our players were not emotionally prepared for the game.

Clemson a few years ago and Miami last year moved so quick between the 20's with bubble passes because our corners were playing so soft. Hopefully with the experience we have in that area of the defense this year we can play more aggressive without the fear of getting beat deep. Our defense holds the run pretty well, will be interesting to see how they fair against Georgia's bruisers.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how we match up with Georgia's running game also. The Georgia running game stalled out in 2016 because of a weak OL. They brought in several HUGE recruits...all 4 and 5 star guys on the OL, so they will likely be working with a new and rebuilt line. I'm glad we are playing them first thing because I expect them to be much better as the season progresses. Miami went through that process last year and was underwhelming in their first three games. Unfortunately, when they played us, they had settled in and things started to click.

[appfanjj]

Georgia plays Notre Dame the week following our game. Not saying they won't be totally focused on us but...

[EastHallApp]

I agree we won't make the same mistake with another ACC in our house this year. BUT, I completely disagree with you about what the mistake last year was. Against Miami, App was so excited that such a team was up here, we overran plays, over threw passes, over blocked schemes, over slobbered, over coached, over breathed, over everything-ed. All we needed to have done was just calm the hell down and play App football. That's all.

This year, Coach needs to have the team relax; do yoga, whatever it takes to calm down and focus on playing football.

To quote Jackie Chan: Your focus needs more focus.

You just described a bunch of mistakes, isn't that a debacle? I think you kind of summarized my point in a more verbose form.

One key point I think occurred is Mark Richt seriously outcoached Satt. Unlike he UT game, The U hit us everywhere we had a weakness and we were not prepared.

If I recall correctly, Miami went to a no huddle fast paced attack and exposed a weakness others later tried to exploit...less successfully. So I will agree with getting outcoached. I don't know if our players were not emotionally prepared for the game.

Clemson a few years ago and Miami last year moved so quick between the 20's with bubble passes because our corners were playing so soft. Hopefully with the experience we have in that area of the defense this year we can play more aggressive without the fear of getting beat deep. Our defense holds the run pretty well, will be interesting to see how they fair against Georgia's bruisers.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how we match up with Georgia's running game also. The Georgia running game stalled out in 2016 because of a weak OL. They brought in several HUGE recruits...all 4 and 5 star guys on the OL, so they will likely be working with a new and rebuilt line. I'm glad we are playing them first thing because I expect them to be much better as the season progresses. Miami went through that process last year and was underwhelming in their first three games. Unfortunately, when they played us, they had settled in and things started to click.

You really think they'll be starting multiple true freshmen on the OL? I'm not that familiar with their roster, but that seems unlikely to me.

[AtlAppMan]

We were out coached and out prepared and not ready for Miami. Let me say for the record something that rarely happens with Satt but it did. I am a BIG fan of our coaching staff but they laid an egg in this game. If you look at the replay you will see App wilt under the quick paced offense Richt employed throughout the first half. They raced down the field on successive plays and our defense repeatedly was not ready for the snap. That gave UM easy opportunities to move the ball. Several passes including touchdowns were due to players wide open. It didn't take a NFL style perfect pass in those situations to connect with the receivers because there wasn't a defender around. We were still looking around at each other and the sidelines wondering what the defensively play call was going to be even when the UM player was racing towards the endzone. I also give Woody a share of that responsibility too. Our lack of ability to defend against the fast paced offense was nothing new, it was on record from games the previous season and only took a good coach and team to exploit it. We were just not prepared and they were and knew exactly which triggers to pull to exploit our weaknesses.

Again, I believe that will be a very good lesson for this season. Fingers crossed.

[Yosef84]

You just described a bunch of mistakes, isn't that a debacle? I think you kind of summarized my point in a more verbose form.

One key point I think occurred is Mark Richt seriously outcoached Satt. Unlike he UT game, The U hit us everywhere we had a weakness and we were not prepared.

If I recall correctly, Miami went to a no huddle fast paced attack and exposed a weakness others later tried to exploit...less successfully. So I will agree with getting outcoached. I don't know if our players were not emotionally prepared for the game.

Clemson a few years ago and Miami last year moved so quick between the 20's with bubble passes because our corners were playing so soft. Hopefully with the experience we have in that area of the defense this year we can play more aggressive without the fear of getting beat deep. Our defense holds the run pretty well, will be interesting to see how they fair against Georgia's bruisers.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how we match up with Georgia's running game also. The Georgia running game stalled out in 2016 because of a weak OL. They brought in several HUGE recruits...all 4 and 5 star guys on the OL, so they will likely be working with a new and rebuilt line. I'm glad we are playing them first thing because I expect them to be much better as the season progresses. Miami went through that process last year and was underwhelming in their first three games. Unfortunately, when they played us, they had settled in and things started to click.

You really think they'll be starting multiple true freshmen on the OL? I'm not that familiar with their roster, but that seems unlikely to me.

I don't expect them to necessarily start but I do think they will be in the mix. Read the analysis of last year's team (comments on the OL) and people flat out saying they just didn't have the horses. Then look at the recruits they signed. These guys are huge and highly rated. I don't know when, but there will be at least a couple of them starting before long. My point is that I don't think that transition (and the rotation) will be set when they play us. If they play the same guys who started last year, that would be great as far as I'm concerned!

[EastHallApp]

Well, that would be nice if their OL were struggling obviously. The thing about OL is, guys who look overmatched early in their careers can turn into a pretty solid group by the time they're juniors and seniors. Honestly I'd probably be more excited about our DL getting matched up against a couple 18-year-old kids playing in their first college game.

[WVAPPeer]

A large majority of the time I recoil when I read the words "out-coached" - Occasionally coaching decisions can make the difference in wins and losses - however, it must be calculated with what each coach has to work with - We could have had Coach K on the sideline for the latest basketball team and doubtful there would have been a big difference in Ws and Ls - Would Coach K have been outcoached??? - Extremely doubtful !!! --- Please keep in mind Miami had 9 players drafted and another 5-7 FA signings - And that doesn't take into consideration the future draftees who were on the field that day for the U ---
To say Coach Satterfield was out-coached is an insult to him - that's how I feel ---

[EastHallApp]

A large majority of the time I recoil when I read the words "out-coached" - Occasionally coaching decisions can make the difference in wins and losses - however, it must be calculated with what each coach has to work with - We could have had Coach K on the sideline for the latest basketball team and doubtful there would have been a big difference in Ws and Ls - Would Coach K have been outcoached??? - Extremely doubtful !!! --- Please keep in mind Miami had 9 players drafted and another 5-7 FA signings - And that doesn't take into consideration the future draftees who were on the field that day for the U ---
To say Coach Satterfield was out-coached is an insult to him - that's how I feel ---

Wish I could double-like this post.

[MDaniels84]

A large majority of the time I recoil when I read the words "out-coached" - Occasionally coaching decisions can make the difference in wins and losses - however, it must be calculated with what each coach has to work with - We could have had Coach K on the sideline for the latest basketball team and doubtful there would have been a big difference in Ws and Ls - Would Coach K have been outcoached??? - Extremely doubtful !!! --- Please keep in mind Miami had 9 players drafted and another 5-7 FA signings - And that doesn't take into consideration the future draftees who were on the field that day for the U ---
To say Coach Satterfield was out-coached is an insult to him - that's how I feel ---

WVAAPeer,
I agree with you to a HUGE extent but I think that what people were upset about was the fact that we had games and games on film of us struggling to deal with 1. Hurry up tempo and 2. Quick outs to receivers due to our unwillingness to play closer to press coverage. Ironically, I think that we are well suited to play press coverage with the athletes that we have at corner and safety.

[AppAlum1]

I agree we won't make the same mistake with another ACC in our house this year. BUT, I completely disagree with you about what the mistake last year was. Against Miami, App was so excited that such a team was up here, we overran plays, over threw passes, over blocked schemes, over slobbered, over coached, over breathed, over everything-ed. All we needed to have done was just calm the hell down and play App football. That's all.

This year, Coach needs to have the team relax; do yoga, whatever it takes to calm down and focus on playing football.

To quote Jackie Chan: Your focus needs more focus.

You just described a bunch of mistakes, isn't that a debacle? I think you kind of summarized my point in a more verbose form.

One key point I think occurred is Mark Richt seriously outcoached Satt. Unlike he UT game, The U hit us everywhere we had a weakness and we were not prepared.

Are you saying I over-verbosed it?

I think we should have had a team nap right before the game. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

[Yosef84]

Well, that would be nice if their OL were struggling obviously. The thing about OL is, guys who look overmatched early in their careers can turn into a pretty solid group by the time they're juniors and seniors. Honestly I'd probably be more excited about our DL getting matched up against a couple 18-year-old kids playing in their first college game.

I completely agree. College players at ANY position can change tremendously in a single off-season. I'm just hoping based on what I saw on the field last season. Regardless of which bodies are on the field, I don't think it will be "settled" as I think they will spend a LOT of time in fall camp trying to evaluate different mixes (much like Miami did last season, which showed in their few games). No guarantees, but could be an opportunity.

Regarding the whole "outcoached" issue, I bristle at that overly simplified statement also as it seems to diminish the work of our staff. That said, saying Satterfield was outcoached by Mark Richt is hardly a big insult considering the experience of the two and the fact that Richt is making over $3million a year. Our guys were overly hyped and it showed. In retrospect, it would have been better to calm things down, but nobody has a crystal ball in the locker room. On defense, we did struggle to get plays in on a timely basis and that cost us. That was frustrating to watch because it cost us penalties as well as busted plays on D. The staff adjusted and we played much better as the year progressed. It's part of the game and I don't think we will see that issue this year.

[WVAPPeer]

Miami had something Tennessee didn't have - a QB who could throw NFL-quality deep balls - and bunch of big, fast receivers. I am still skeptical of the whole idea that we just somehow weren't mentally prepared for them. I think we just got our butts kicked. Yes we made some mistakes but I'm not convinced it was because we held a pep rally or whatever.

Wake is an improving program but we will not be at anywhere near the athletic disadvantage we were vs. Miami.

Keep in mind that Dobbs was selected 2 rounds ahead of Kaaya

[NewApp]

http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings

G5 Rankings:

1. WMU (28) MAC
2. WKU (29) CUSA
3. App (40) SB
4. Temple (43) AAC
5. USF (46) AAC
6. Toledo (49) MAC
7. SDSU (50) MWC
8. Tulsa (51)AAC
9. Houston (53) AAC
10. Boise (54) MWC

Sun Belt (six below 100)
40. App State
67. Troy
73. A-State
83. Idaho
88. Georgia Southern
98. Louisiana
108. South Alabama
111. Coastal Carolina
113. Georgia State
118. ULM
119. NMSU
129. Texas State

CUSA (nine below 100)
29. WKU
68. Louisiana Tech
81. ODU
91. Southern Miss
95. UTSA
103. MTSU
120. North Texas
121. FIU
122. Marshall
123. FAU
124. Rice
126. Charlotte
127. UTEP
130. UAB

MAC (five below 100)
28. WMU
49. Toledo
80. Ohio
85. NIU
93. Miami OH
94. EMU
96. CMU
102. Bowling Green
107. Akron
110. Ball State
115. Kent State
128. Buffalo

American (four below 100)
43. Temple
46. USF
51. Tulsa
53. Houston
63. Navy
64. Memphis
84. SMU
86. UCF
100. Tulane
101. Cincinnati
106. East Carolina
117. UConn

MWC (five below 100)
50. SDSU
54. Boise State
70. Air Force
74. Colorado State
77. Wyoming
87. New Mexico
90. Utah State
105. Hawaii
109. San Jose State
112. Nevada
116. UNLV
125. Fresno State

Charlotte is rated higher than Texas State? I don't think so. Somebody's had one too many beers.

[EastHallApp]

Charlotte is rated higher than Texas State? I don't think so. Somebody's had one too many beers.

UNCC was better than Texas State last season.

[EastHallApp]

Miami had something Tennessee didn't have - a QB who could throw NFL-quality deep balls - and bunch of big, fast receivers. I am still skeptical of the whole idea that we just somehow weren't mentally prepared for them. I think we just got our butts kicked. Yes we made some mistakes but I'm not convinced it was because we held a pep rally or whatever.

Wake is an improving program but we will not be at anywhere near the athletic disadvantage we were vs. Miami.

Keep in mind that Dobbs was selected 2 rounds ahead of Kaaya

Be that as it may, we loaded up on the run against UT and dared him to throw deep, and it almost worked because he didn't even try for most of the game (until he finally hit us with that jump ball that turned into the tying TD). Other than that play, his longest completion of the game was 16 yards.

[NewApp]

Charlotte is rated higher than Texas State? I don't think so. Somebody's had one too many beers.

UNCC was better than Texas State last season.

Don't tell Bonzo that.

[bcoach]

A large majority of the time I recoil when I read the words "out-coached" - Occasionally coaching decisions can make the difference in wins and losses - however, it must be calculated with what each coach has to work with - We could have had Coach K on the sideline for the latest basketball team and doubtful there would have been a big difference in Ws and Ls - Would Coach K have been outcoached??? - Extremely doubtful !!! --- Please keep in mind Miami had 9 players drafted and another 5-7 FA signings - And that doesn't take into consideration the future draftees who were on the field that day for the U ---
To say Coach Satterfield was out-coached is an insult to him - that's how I feel ---

You are 100% correct. They are just plain better than we are. To blame the loss on coaching is just plain not wanting to accept reality, and we do that a lot. We won one of these games and 10 years later we got close to another win. When we play teams with players who are bigger and faster than we are it is a little disingenuous to blame it on coaching.

[NewApp]

"You are 100% correct. They are just plain better than we are. To blame the loss on coaching is just plain not wanting to accept reality, and we do that a lot. We won one of these games and 10 years later we got close to another win. When we play teams with players who are bigger and faster than we are it is a little disingenuous to blame it on coaching."

Truer words have never been spoken, bcoach. The only time I have ever felt like we were even close to being outcoached was when Rod Broadway and NC A&T defeated us in Coach Satterfield's first year as head coach. Of course that was with Coach Moore's recruits, not his.

[moonshine]

When we play teams with players who are bigger and faster than we are it is a little disingenuous to blame it on coaching.

While I tend to agree, prior to opening against Rocky Top, would you have put the U and the Vols in the same "bigger and faster" category? I thought the coaches had a superb game plan that was executed almost flawlessly against UT. This lends credence to your assessment since App had to play above their heads to be in the game that late. A lucky bounce or a couple of kicks wins the game.

The same can not be said about Miami. When the defense is still looking at the sideline for the play call while the ball is being snapped, that's 100% coaching or lack there of. Obviously I'd love to see App win every game. However, if App is going to lose, I want the other team to know they were just in a dog fight. I love our staff but to pretend or dismiss them being out coached against the U is disingenuous.