Shawn Elliot as next Coach?

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:12 pm

Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.

Appersrule · Unread post by **Appersrule** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:16 pm

Guys if you think for one minute that there will actually be a nation wide search, then App fans are more naive that I thought. This nation wide search will end in 2 weeks by walking down the hall to Satterfields office. I am not saying this is the best decision, but it is undoubtedly the one that will be made. This is all cloak and mirrors, he didn't come back here to "maybe" get this job.

unknown · Unread post by **unknown** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:21 pm

Gonzo wrote:Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.

Elliott is a hot commodity in the best conference in all of college football. Why wouldn't App try to hire him? Should they not go after him just because he played here?

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:26 pm

unknown wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.
Elliott is a hot commodity in the best conference in all of college football. Why wouldn't App try to hire him? Should they not go after him just because he played here?

Not saying he shouldn't be in the conversation for that reason (although I don't think he should be in the conversation because its unrealistic. Doubt we could pay him what he makes as the OL coach at USC even as a head coach). I just think a nation wide search isn't a bad idea. By nation wide, I mean outside of our "former employee/player" rolodex.

ASUPATCH · Unread post by **ASUPATCH** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:34 pm

Gonzo wrote:
unknown wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.
Elliott is a hot commodity in the best conference in all of college football. Why wouldn't App try to hire him? Should they not go after him just because he played here?
Not saying he shouldn't be in the conversation for that reason (although I don't think he should be in the conversation because its unrealistic. Doubt we could pay him what he makes as the OL coach at USC even as a head coach). I just think a nation wide search isn't a bad idea. By nation wide, I mean outside of our "former employee/player" rolodex.

I couldnt disagree more. In todays football landscape you cant keep a good coach at the FCS level or even the lower FBS level for more than 3-5 years then the Big Boys come calling. If you get an alumnus or someone with ties to the area or program then they are going to be more likey to stay and make a career out of it rather than being a resume builder. Thats a big reason why I didnt like the Capel hire. You know he had bigger aspirations so even if he did suceed it would be for no more than a couple years. Would have much rather had McMahon who bled black and gold.

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:41 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
unknown wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.
Elliott is a hot commodity in the best conference in all of college football. Why wouldn't App try to hire him? Should they not go after him just because he played here?
Not saying he shouldn't be in the conversation for that reason (although I don't think he should be in the conversation because its unrealistic. Doubt we could pay him what he makes as the OL coach at USC even as a head coach). I just think a nation wide search isn't a bad idea. By nation wide, I mean outside of our "former employee/player" rolodex.

I couldnt disagree more. In todays football landscape you cant keep a good coach at the FCS level or even the lower FBS level for more than 3-5 years then the Big Boys come calling. If you get an alumnus or someone with ties to the area or program then they are going to be more likey to stay and make a career out of it rather than being a resume builder. Thats a big reason why I didnt like the Capel hire. You know he had bigger aspirations so even if he did suceed it would be for no more than a couple years. Would have much rather had McMahon who bled black and gold.

Fair enough.

I just get worried about cycles of nepotism and how they can place people in over their heads for reasons other than achievement. It's a fine line.

goapps93 · Unread post by **goapps93** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:58 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
unknown wrote:
Gonzo wrote:Are we that much of a "good-ol-boy" program that we are incapable of landing a coach that didn't play or coach here already?

I refuse to believe we are and I'm sincerely hoping to hear some fresh names soon.
Elliott is a hot commodity in the best conference in all of college football. Why wouldn't App try to hire him? Should they not go after him just because he played here?
Not saying he shouldn't be in the conversation for that reason (although I don't think he should be in the conversation because its unrealistic. Doubt we could pay him what he makes as the OL coach at USC even as a head coach). I just think a nation wide search isn't a bad idea. By nation wide, I mean outside of our "former employee/player" rolodex.

I couldnt disagree more. In todays football landscape you cant keep a good coach at the FCS level or even the lower FBS level for more than 3-5 years then the Big Boys come calling. If you get an alumnus or someone with ties to the area or program then they are going to be more likey to stay and make a career out of it rather than being a resume builder. Thats a big reason why I didnt like the Capel hire. You know he had bigger aspirations so even if he did suceed it would be for no more than a couple years. Would have much rather had McMahon who bled black and gold.

PATCH, that's just going to be how it is for us until we move into the ACC or SEC, so we're talking at least for about 5 more years

. Case in point, Dave Doeren, 2 great seasons at NIU and now State has called him to Raleigh(maybe to lead them to a possible move to the SEC). There's nothing wrong with having a coaching carousel if the horses are winners. There's soemthing good to be said of a lower tier program that is a coach factory. It's highly unlikely that we'll find another coach like Coach Moore who will be in Boone for the next 24 years and I don't think we should expect to.

Black Saturday · Unread post by **Black Saturday** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:11 pm

unknown wrote:
T-Dog wrote:It's funny to hear these rumors pop up since Elliot was at the game Saturday clad in Black and Gold.

He could be either an OC or DC. It wouldn't be surprising to see him do either. If Satterfield is the coach, then he is very much in play since they're former teammates.
Shawn is not coming back to be anything other than HC. Not a chance

He's not coming back at all, he makes more than Cobb.

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2012/02/10/2 ... aises.html

appst66oc · Unread post by **appst66oc** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:16 pm

found this website and he threw out elliot immediately after the announcement fwiw

http://www.coachingsearch.com/coaching- ... icker.html

ASUPATCH · Unread post by **ASUPATCH** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:16 pm

Here is the issue. I would only want to try and it get right once over a 10-15 year period than have to try and get the job search right every 2-3 years or so. I dont think there is such thing as a coching factory. There is no cohesion when players rarely get to stay in the same system for more than a couple years. You have no identity as a team. I cant think of any lower FBS or FCS schools that just reload after getting new coaches. I thought maybe Montana but then this year shows you what can happen with them. GA Southern had there fair share of coaches and loses the last decade. You can keep the Lane Kiffens and Nick Sabans of the world that are only looking for thier next big payday. You know why? Cause its really about the kids and guys like that dont give two you know whats about the kids they recruited and promised their parents they would help grow them into men. I want someone who cares about App more than they care about their bank account.

unknown · Unread post by **unknown** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:26 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
unknown wrote:
T-Dog wrote:It's funny to hear these rumors pop up since Elliot was at the game Saturday clad in Black and Gold.

He could be either an OC or DC. It wouldn't be surprising to see him do either. If Satterfield is the coach, then he is very much in play since they're former teammates.
Shawn is not coming back to be anything other than HC. Not a chance
He's not coming back at all, he makes more than Cobb.

Once you get into the FBS, the head football coach is often the highest paid person on campus

Black Saturday · Unread post by **Black Saturday** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:59 pm

Hefty raises for two winning coaches

By ANDREW SHAIN - ashain@thestate.com

PAYDAY FOR USC COACHES

2012 USC football coaches’ salaries:

Coach, duties;2012 salary;2011 salary

Steve Spurrier, head coach;$3.3 million;$2.55 million

Lorenzo Ward, defensive coordinator;$550,000;$280,000

Shawn Elliott, offensive line/running game;$300,000;$185,000

Brad Lawing, defensive line;$300,000;$250,000

Steve Spurrier Jr., wide receivers/recruiting;$300,000;$225,000

*Joe Robinson, special teams/tight ends;$280,000;$185,000

*Kirk Botkin, linebackers/spurs;$185,000;N/A

*Everette Sands, running backs;$185,000;$175,000

G.A. Mangus, quarterbacks;$175,000;$175,000

*Grady Brown, secondary/special teams;$150,000;$170,000

*-New coach (2011 pay was for their predecessors)

BIG ASSISTANCE

USC’s combined football assistant salaries since Steve Spurrier became head coach:

2012 - $2.43 million

2011 - $2.35 million

2010 - $2.15 million

2009 - $1.83 million

2008 - $1.56 million

2007 - $1.33 million

2006 - $1.24 million

2005 - $1.24 million

SOURCE: Published reports

MONEY BALL COACH

Head football coach Steve Spurrier’s guaranteed pay since coming to USC:

2012-2015 - $3.3 million*

2011 - $2.55 million

2010 - $1.75 million

2009 - $1.75 million

2008 - $1.75 million

2007 - $1.75 million

2006 - $1.25 million

2005 - $1.25 million

*-Spurrier was scheduled to receive $2.88 million in 2012 and $2.95 million in 2013, 2014 and 2015 before his raise was approved Friday.

The USC Board of Trustees applauded Friday after watching a video of the Gamecocks’ recent athletics triumphs, including a Gatorade shower football coach Steve Spurrier received after a big win last season.

The trustees then showered Spurrier and two-time national champion baseball coach Ray Tanner with pay raises.

Spurrier, who led the Gamecocks to their first-ever 11-win campaign last season, will earn $3.3 million a year for the next four years – up $750,000 from his pay last year. Combined with another raise he received 10 months ago after South Carolina won its first SEC Eastern Division title, Spurrier’s salary has nearly doubled from $1.75 million since 2009.

He also will receive $250,000 in deferred compensation this year. Spurrier received a $1 million longevity bonus at the beginning of this year that was part of a 2007 contract extension. He has new bonuses that will pay $200,000 for winning 11 games and $300,000 for winning 12.

With the raise, Spurrier will become one of the nation’s top 10 highest-paid coaches based on 2011 salaries compiled by USA Today. The 66-year-old coach, who needs 10 more victories to become USC’s all-time winningest coach, had his contract extended by two years through 2015 in December.

“You look at what South Carolina has achieved,” USC athletics director Eric Hyman said. “Coach Spurrier is very reasonable and very fair. And the program, certainly everyone will tell you, is headed in the right direction.”

South Carolina’s second consecutive NCAA baseball championship earned Tanner, 53, a second pay hike in as many years. The board approved a $140,000 annual raise to $650,000 on Friday. He also received a one-year extension through 2016.

Tanner’s pay has risen 60 percent since 2009. Tanner received a $100,000 raise and two-year extension after winning his first title in 2010. He has won 70 percent of his games in 15 seasons at South Carolina, with his teams making 13 NCAA tournaments and five College World Series appearances.

Tanner also was named a special community relations adviser to USC president Harris Pastides.

“He’s already an ambassador for the university and he came to me and asked if there are other ways he can serve,” Pastides said. “He’ll continue to speak on behalf of the university to neighborhood and civic groups, and, down the road, maybe working on bringing more partners to the university.”

The football assistant coaching staff – reshuffled in the wake of the departure of assistant head coach for defense Ellis Johnson and three other coaches – will receive as a group nearly $100,000 more than last season to earn $2.43 million. Assistants made $1.24 million in Spurrier’s first season at South Carolina in 2005.

Johnson’s replacement, Lorenzo Ward, will get $550,000 a year – up from the $280,000 he made last season as USC’s defensive coordinator/cornerbacks coach. Johnson earned $700,000 before becoming head coach at Southern Miss.

Three other coaches will receive raises to make $300,000 each – offensive line coach/running game coordinator Shawn Elliott; defensive line coach Brad Lawing; and wide receivers coach/recruiting coordinator Steve Spurrier Jr. Elliott got the biggest pay boost from last year at $115,000.

Two new assistants will receive higher salaries than their predecessors – special teams coordinator Joe Robinson, up $95,000 to $280,000 – and running backs coach Everette Sands, up $10,000 to $185,000. New linebackers coach Kirk Botkin will earn $185,000, while secondary coach Grady Brown will make $150,000.

The assistants received two-year contracts at Spurrier’s request, and they will get raises of $15,000 to $25,000 in 2013.

Hyman said the salary boosts were made possible, in part, by a new, more lucrative agreement with apparel maker Under Armor and higher fees from multimedia right holder IMG College. Five assistants will have their pay supplemented by rights fees, up from two last season.

“These salaries are not out of line with our competition, and we reward outstanding productivity,” Pastides said.

USC quarterbacks coach G.A. Mangus currently is not eligible for raises or bonuses as part of his punishment for a nuisance conduct charge in Greenville last summer. He is paid $175,000 a year.

Meanwhile, some of Hyman’s contract terms were tweaked six months after he received a $75,000 raise from South Carolina to $497,000 a year in the wake of other schools’ interest luring him from Columbia. If Hyman leaves, he no longer has to pay $325,000 for each year remaining on his contract, and, if he is fired without cause, the school must offer him a teaching position through June 2015.

“I’m not going anywhere,” Hyman said.

philponder · Unread post by **philponder** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:23 pm

Wouldn't that mean a pay cut for Shawn? Seems like a demotion. I haven't been on the USC boards, but Shawn gets a lot of love from the SEC announcers and I think the fans love his energy. Spurrier should be ready to move on or retire soon. Maybe Shawn's in line for the USC job.

philponder · Unread post by **philponder** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:29 pm

Black Saturday wrote:
unknown wrote:
T-Dog wrote:It's funny to hear these rumors pop up since Elliot was at the game Saturday clad in Black and Gold.

He could be either an OC or DC. It wouldn't be surprising to see him do either. If Satterfield is the coach, then he is very much in play since they're former teammates.
Shawn is not coming back to be anything other than HC. Not a chance
He's not coming back at all, he makes more than Cobb.

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2012/02/10/2 ... aises.html

$300K. I would have guessed more. I read somewhere (can't remember where and not sure if this is accurate) that Coach's base salary is $230K, so logic would suggest that the HC salary at ASU would be more than $300K after an FBS move.

dontplay90 · Unread post by **dontplay90** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:47 pm

I say bring Elliott back. We haven't won a national title since he left (and since Kevin Richardson graduated)... heck, bring them both back in some capacity!

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:15 pm

unknown wrote:
T-Dog wrote:It's funny to hear these rumors pop up since Elliot was at the game Saturday clad in Black and Gold.

He could be either an OC or DC. It wouldn't be surprising to see him do either. If Satterfield is the coach, then he is very much in play since they're former teammates.
Shawn is not coming back to be anything other than HC. Not a chance

The only way he comes back is if he is miserable in SC and desperate to get out. We can not begin to offer this guy anything close to his market value. Satterfield returned to ASU from a FBS waste land. Elliot is in the promised land. Anyone who thinks we have achance at a SEC coach is delusional.

Watauga72 · Unread post by **Watauga72** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:28 pm

Spurrier is 67 and has been coaching in the SEC for quite some time. Wonder how long he plans on staying with it? Wouldn't see Elliot getting that job upon Spurrier's retirement without some sort of head coaching or coordinator experience. Not saying I know anything cause I don't so don't ask for any links!!!

Black Saturday · Unread post by **Black Saturday** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:40 pm

philponder wrote:
Black Saturday wrote:
unknown wrote:
T-Dog wrote:It's funny to hear these rumors pop up since Elliot was at the game Saturday clad in Black and Gold.

He could be either an OC or DC. It wouldn't be surprising to see him do either. If Satterfield is the coach, then he is very much in play since they're former teammates.
Shawn is not coming back to be anything other than HC. Not a chance
He's not coming back at all, he makes more than Cobb.

http://www.gogamecocks.com/2012/02/10/2 ... aises.html
$300K. I would have guessed more. I read somewhere (can't remember where and not sure if this is accurate) that Coach's base salary is $230K, so logic would suggest that the HC salary at ASU would be more than $300K after an FBS move.

Where are we getting the money from? We pay crap now. I don't think they cartel is being busted and we get any windfall of tv/media dollars. The country club ain't sharing. So get used to being the poor bastards of college football.

AppinATL · Unread post by **AppinATL** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:47 pm

Jeez! $300 Large! For an OL coach! Does even Peacock make that kind of money?

appgrad · Unread post by **appgrad** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:52 pm

ASUPATCH wrote:I feel Ron Prince got a raw deal at KSU and might want a HC job again... (snip)...Took the Kstate job at the height of Big12 qb's and KSU didnt have one of them.

Right - had to make do for 3 years with that guy who starts every Sunday for the Tampa Bay Bucs.

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