Big Games

[ah59396]

I don't know ah at all, so I'm not speaking for him or her. My point on this thread is if we don't win "big games" we're more like Marshall (no disrespect) than Bosie St.

Heck I don’t even care if you disagree with me, at least tell me why. It’s why I asked the question on the first place.

Instead you just get personally attacked for being a delusional fairweather fan. And whatever that insane Santa thing was about.

[appgrad95&97]

I don't know ah at all, so I'm not speaking for him or her. My point on this thread is if we don't win "big games" we're more like Marshall (no disrespect) than Bosie St.

Heck I don’t even care if you disagree with me, at least tell me why. It’s why I asked the question on the first place.

Instead you just get personally attacked for being a delusional fairweather fan. And whatever that insane Santa thing was about.

You're got the wrong guy.

[ah59396]

I don't know ah at all, so I'm not speaking for him or her. My point on this thread is if we don't win "big games" we're more like Marshall (no disrespect) than Bosie St.

Heck I don’t even care if you disagree with me, at least tell me why. It’s why I asked the question on the first place.

Instead you just get personally attacked for being a delusional fairweather fan. And whatever that insane Santa thing was about.

You're got the wrong guy.

Haha, no I know. I was just saying in general. I’m aware you weren’t the one!

[appgrad95&97]

I don't know ah at all, so I'm not speaking for him or her. My point on this thread is if we don't win "big games" we're more like Marshall (no disrespect) than Bosie St.

Heck I don’t even care if you disagree with me, at least tell me why. It’s why I asked the question on the first place.

Instead you just get personally attacked for being a delusional fairweather fan. And whatever that insane Santa thing was about.

You're got the wrong guy.

Haha, no I know. I was just saying in general. I’m aware you weren’t the one!

But don't for a moment think I support your fat shaming Santa.

[Yosef84]

I get the feeling that we have a segment of our fan base that seems to lay in wait until we lose a "big game" so they can trot out this tired observation. When you cherry pick which wins count in the analysis, it's easy to justify whatever "feeling" you have.

Last night sucked. We laid the biggest egg I've seen App lay in a long time but I don't see why anyone would somehow try to force that into some sort of over all negative assessment. We have a great group of young men and an excellent staff. Last night wasn't representative. It happened and it's in the books. Let's hope the ship gets righted and we see the REAL App State on the field again next week

If you disagree with my observation and opening question that’s fine. But back it up with why you believe otherwise.

Don’t just shit on me as some casual fan that “lays low” because you don’t like my opinion. Care to share why you don’t agree?

You have 176 total posts showing since 2014, but you decide to create a thread to whine about a topic that's been talked to death. I guess that's the initial driver for the "laying in wait" comment. So, are you more than a casual fan? Is there a reason you think your opinion is more important than others? Your whole post is opinion, not fact, so somehow getting your feeling hurt and demanding facts before someone can disagrees is absurd. We were heavy underdogs going into the Tennessee and especially the Penn State game, so the losses are certainly disappointing but to say we "lost it more than they won it" is a personal assessment at best. Nobody on the board disagrees that both losses were missed opportunities and disappointing, but attributing it to a lack of coaching or some trend is opinion at best.

The coaching staff and team as a whole outplayed Wake in a game which was basically an even draw. That game came down to an off-sides call on a punt that gave Wake back the ball and resulted in their winning score in addition to a missed kick and finally a blocked kick. That stuff happens but again...it doesn't fit into a pattern for "big games."

I guess my point is that you want to define "big games" pretty narrowly and then dismiss the ones that we DID win (three bowl games for example) as if that somehow makes your point. How bout the win at UL and Arkansas State in 2014? Those were HUGE road wins in games against the favored conference leaders where we were the underdog. Do those count as "big games" or not?

Sorry that you got your feelings hurt because not everyone agrees with your OPINION. I'm curious though. Would you like to explain what the point of your observation is? Are you implying that the progress of the football program isn't "acceptable"? What changes are you suggesting?

[ah59396]

I get the feeling that we have a segment of our fan base that seems to lay in wait until we lose a "big game" so they can trot out this tired observation. When you cherry pick which wins count in the analysis, it's easy to justify whatever "feeling" you have.

Last night sucked. We laid the biggest egg I've seen App lay in a long time but I don't see why anyone would somehow try to force that into some sort of over all negative assessment. We have a great group of young men and an excellent staff. Last night wasn't representative. It happened and it's in the books. Let's hope the ship gets righted and we see the REAL App State on the field again next week

If you disagree with my observation and opening question that’s fine. But back it up with why you believe otherwise.

Don’t just shit on me as some casual fan that “lays low” because you don’t like my opinion. Care to share why you don’t agree?

You have 176 total posts showing since 2014, but you decide to create a thread to whine about a topic that's been talked to death. I guess that's the initial driver for the "laying in wait" comment. So, are you more than a casual fan? Is there a reason you think your opinion is more important than others? Your whole post is opinion, not fact, so somehow getting your feeling hurt and demanding facts before someone can disagrees is absurd. We were heavy underdogs going into the Tennessee and especially the Penn State game, so the losses are certainly disappointing but to say we "lost it more than they won it" is a personal assessment at best. Nobody on the board disagrees that both losses were missed opportunities and disappointing, but attributing it to a lack of coaching or some trend is opinion at best.

The coaching staff and team as a whole outplayed Wake in a game which was basically an even draw. That game came down to an off-sides call on a punt that gave Wake back the ball and resulted in their winning score in addition to a missed kick and finally a blocked kick. That stuff happens but again...it doesn't fit into a pattern for "big games."

I guess my point is that you want to define "big games" pretty narrowly and then dismiss the ones that we DID win (three bowl games for example) as if that somehow makes your point. How bout the win at UL and Arkansas State in 2014? Those were HUGE road wins in games against the favored conference leaders where we were the underdog. Do those count as "big games" or not?

Sorry that you got your feelings hurt because not everyone agrees with your OPINION. I'm curious though. Would you like to explain what the point of your observation is? Are you implying that the progress of the football program isn't "acceptable"? What changes are you suggesting?

Do yourself a favor and re-read my initial post.

1. This is a message board. It literally exists to share opinions. I shared mine, never sold it as fact, then asked for other opinions. Literally ended my post soliciting real feedback about our performance in big games.

2. I’m not sure what my post history or count has to do with fandom, but I’ll keep your lofty expectations in mind in the future. Little recommendation though, you aren’t a gatekeeper and you don’t get to establish anyone’s allegiance but your own.

3. The rest of your wall of text is pretty valid and I appreciate you sharing it. We did show well in our bowl games and maybe it’s a little recency bias on my part, but my thoughts regarding our performance in bigger games are shared by others. So they aren’t baseless.

Lastly if you think you hurt my feelings, you totally overestimate what you’re doing here.

Take it easy.

[mountaineerman]

Yes the big game is lacking ! We got exposed last night ! As rek said I definitely didn’t expect to see this team quit lay down like they did.

[App91]

Seems to me its the lack of composure. We lost it last night in the pre-game "incident" and never found it. False start on first play. UC penalty on their hold, turnovers. Heck we were jawing right after another false start. Those are the things that a good team and a well coached team do not do. Before anyone jumps, not saying that about Satt at all. But i have seen this from time to time, where the spotlight is too big and we dont know how to handle it or unprepared to handle.

[APPdiesel]

Can't deny that we have a tendency to fall flat in big games. And offensively we did fall flat against Tennessee. If not for that muffed punt in the 1st quarter we don't even get in the endzone in that game. Defense was lights out that night. What we as fans have absolutely no idea about is why we fell flat against Southern. Was it a bad game plan? Was it the lack of Jalin Moore? Was it losing ZT early? Was it the rain? Was it the cold? Did the players let a little bit of the hype sneak in and cause them to take GS less seriously? Or did maybe GS have a great game plan?

D) All of the above.

[App91]

I have to say, had to turn off the radio broadcast and Adam Witten at the Half. We were getting skull drug and had no answer while he was talking to Benson about what happens if we get the NY6 bid, ranking and such. Was too much considering what was happening

[AppinVA]

I have to say, had to turn off the radio broadcast and Adam Witten at the Half. We were getting skull drug and had no answer while he was talking to Benson about what happens if we get the NY6 bid, ranking and such. Was too much considering what was happening

I heard it, and I was thinking that it may have been taped pre-game. Then again, it may not.

[App91]

I have to say, had to turn off the radio broadcast and Adam Witten at the Half. We were getting skull drug and had no answer while he was talking to Benson about what happens if we get the NY6 bid, ranking and such. Was too much considering what was happening

I heard it, and I was thinking that it may have been taped pre-game. Then again, it may not.

It might have been but my level of disgust to the point i could puke would not allow me to listen one second more

[AppSt91]

I was waiting for him to ask what the heck his refs were watching.

[AppSt94]

Can't deny that we have a tendency to fall flat in big games. And offensively we did fall flat against Tennessee. If not for that muffed punt in the 1st quarter we don't even get in the endzone in that game. Defense was lights out that night. What we as fans have absolutely no idea about is why we fell flat against Southern. Was it a bad game plan? Was it the lack of Jalin Moore? Was it losing ZT early? Was it the rain? Was it the cold? Did the players let a little bit of the hype sneak in and cause them to take GS less seriously? Or did maybe GS have a great game plan?

D) All of the above.

I would agree that a portion of all of these attributed to the debacle. PD looked absolutely in over his head. That was concerning. I don’t like to blame the refs for a loss, but it did seem as though they were a big factor in the outcome. Who knows what would have happen if they flagged the GS player for catch interference. Bottom line, most of the issues last night were self inflicted. No way is GS 20 points better than us if the turnover ratio was even.

[Yosef84]

I get the feeling that we have a segment of our fan base that seems to lay in wait until we lose a "big game" so they can trot out this tired observation. When you cherry pick which wins count in the analysis, it's easy to justify whatever "feeling" you have.

Last night sucked. We laid the biggest egg I've seen App lay in a long time but I don't see why anyone would somehow try to force that into some sort of over all negative assessment. We have a great group of young men and an excellent staff. Last night wasn't representative. It happened and it's in the books. Let's hope the ship gets righted and we see the REAL App State on the field again next week

If you disagree with my observation and opening question that’s fine. But back it up with why you believe otherwise.

Don’t just shit on me as some casual fan that “lays low” because you don’t like my opinion. Care to share why you don’t agree?

You have 176 total posts showing since 2014, but you decide to create a thread to whine about a topic that's been talked to death. I guess that's the initial driver for the "laying in wait" comment. So, are you more than a casual fan? Is there a reason you think your opinion is more important than others? Your whole post is opinion, not fact, so somehow getting your feeling hurt and demanding facts before someone can disagrees is absurd. We were heavy underdogs going into the Tennessee and especially the Penn State game, so the losses are certainly disappointing but to say we "lost it more than they won it" is a personal assessment at best. Nobody on the board disagrees that both losses were missed opportunities and disappointing, but attributing it to a lack of coaching or some trend is opinion at best.

The coaching staff and team as a whole outplayed Wake in a game which was basically an even draw. That game came down to an off-sides call on a punt that gave Wake back the ball and resulted in their winning score in addition to a missed kick and finally a blocked kick. That stuff happens but again...it doesn't fit into a pattern for "big games."

I guess my point is that you want to define "big games" pretty narrowly and then dismiss the ones that we DID win (three bowl games for example) as if that somehow makes your point. How bout the win at UL and Arkansas State in 2014? Those were HUGE road wins in games against the favored conference leaders where we were the underdog. Do those count as "big games" or not?

Sorry that you got your feelings hurt because not everyone agrees with your OPINION. I'm curious though. Would you like to explain what the point of your observation is? Are you implying that the progress of the football program isn't "acceptable"? What changes are you suggesting?

Do yourself a favor and re-read my initial post.

1. This is a message board. It literally exists to share opinions. I shared mine, never sold it as fact, then asked for other opinions. Literally ended my post soliciting real feedback about our performance in big games.

2. I’m not sure what my post history or count has to do with fandom, but I’ll keep your lofty expectations in mind in the future. Little recommendation though, you aren’t a gatekeeper and you don’t get to establish anyone’s allegiance but your own.

3. The rest of your wall of text is pretty valid and I appreciate you sharing it. We did show well in our bowl games and maybe it’s a little recency bias on my part, but my thoughts regarding our performance in bigger games are shared by others. So they aren’t baseless.

Lastly if you think you hurt my feelings, you totally overestimate what you’re doing here.

Take it easy.

Honestly, I actually didn't reply because the tone of your initial post wasn't over the top. That's why I didn't quote it and direct my reply at you. My reply was directed towards the topic in general and to the group (yes, I'm aware others share the opinion) who echo this same thought after ever significant loss. I never said it was "baseless" but I do think the position gets taken out of context and lacks perspective. The observation was much more valid in the years immediately following 2007 when it seemed App had very disappointing performances against our P5 opponents. We see mention of the NC State loss, but that was actually 2006 and we hadn't yet discovered Armanti Edwards as the answer to our QB turnover. Those performances from 10 years ago were under different leadership, and have absolutely nothing to do with the current situation. Trends which cross over from the previous coaching staff and FCS to our current situation are meaningless in real world terms.

You're completely right about it being a message board. You have a right to express your opinion, as do I. You posted a topic that is a hot button for me and I replied. I have no delusions about my own importance either. The hurt feelings comment was directed at the tone of your reply to my initial post. Maybe you should go re-read that. I would certainly hope that nobody on here is shedding tears about what another person posts.

I apologize if the tone of my post was disproportionate or perceived that way. That wasn't the intent. My point is that I really don't see the usefulness of this type of thread. Maybe it's just to vent and express general frustration. My point is that, I think we've made SIGNIFICANT progress in the "big games" against P5 programs. We have showed up and played tough. I don't think Thursday's game belongs in a grouping with those. Thursday was a totally different issue, and I don't think there is any pattern at all of App failing to show up and perform against conference / G5 opponents. This game is a one-off.

I would say we have a new pattern of playing tough and coming up just short. That trend begins with Tennessee. These losses are more attributed to individual mistakes (not coaching or prep) during a game where we were playing against a bigger opponent with vastly superior resources and depth. Regarding Penn State, I think App played about the best I've ever seen us play and exceeded all expectation that day. Saying we gave the game away is dismissive. Our NEW pattern is a function of being on the verge but perhaps not as QUITE there yet. In our 5th year of FBS football, I still believe we are WAY ahead of schedule. Those losses while we were in FCS have nothing to do with our current program.

[fjblair]

This was the biggest game since we moved up, arguably the biggest game ever, and we sh#t the bed. I mean we stunk it up. Who knows how long before we will ever have that opportunity to be in the mix on the national stage again. People were talking about us, we had respect from the big sports media. We lasted four days, I'm still sick.

[WataugaMan]

If we pick ourselves up, dust off, and finish strong, we'll be on our way to getting back to the point you speak of. By finishing strong the momentum should carry over to next year. And, by taking care of business I can see us in the mix again next season. Hopefully, we will not screw the pooch again.

[Yosef84]

This was the biggest game since we moved up, arguably the biggest game ever, and we sh#t the bed. I mean we stunk it up. Who knows how long before we will ever have that opportunity to be in the mix on the national stage again. People were talking about us, we had respect from the big sports media. We lasted four days, I'm still sick.

Every App fan feels sick. It was an incredibly disappointing loss. However, calling it the biggest game since moving up is completely subjective and I'm thinking it is based on the high emotions being felt. This game doesn't seal and championship for GS and it wouldn't have sealed it for App had we won. It was on ESPN but it was a Thursday night game against 3 other college games plus NFL. As others have pointed out (and I agree), everyone is entitled to their opinion but this wasn't even close to the "biggest game since we moved up."

[appfanjj]

We could possibly play a bigger game this season but yes, this game was BY FAR the most important (biggest) game we’ve played since moving up. Name a bigger one.

[Stonewall]

It was the only game in which we’ve been ranked , conference championship implications,National tv , hated rival.Yes Sir , the biggest since the move.