Certainly wasn't meaning to disrespect anyone before Richardson. I tend to agree that Settle is arguably the best RB every to play at App. Kevin Richardson stands out as a "work ethic" success story though in that he was a walk-on who exceeded all expectations. I remember Settle as being a gifted RB from the start. You are completely right in pointing out it goes back further than Richardson though....Chip Hooks....we do have quite a history!
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Hamilton and Simon were good half backs and John Craig at full back.
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Here is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.TomA415 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:26 amWonder how him and Marcus Williams Jr will co-mingle. I think no matter how good they think he is, Darrynton has earned the majority of touches these last two games. Then its MWJ and him splitting touches?? Can only imagine if we still had Jalin. Only so many plays in a game. But this isn't a bad problem to have.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
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Evans is one of my favorite players but this has been my observation, too, and my only reservation with Evans getting the primary carries. It puts us behind the chains sometimes when the first run up the middle goes for -1 or -2 yards. MWJ seems to always at least get 2 or 3. I mentioned on another thread that I think next year Evans goes back to a 3rd down back and slot receiver, still getting plenty of touches, but C-Run or MWJ should get the primary carries for your traditional in between the tackles carries.appstatealum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:41 pmHere is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.TomA415 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:26 amWonder how him and Marcus Williams Jr will co-mingle. I think no matter how good they think he is, Darrynton has earned the majority of touches these last two games. Then its MWJ and him splitting touches?? Can only imagine if we still had Jalin. Only so many plays in a game. But this isn't a bad problem to have.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.[/b]
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
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Would certainly be okay with this if Cam is as good as everyone is saying. Cam taking Evans share of the carries now with MWJ in a similar role to where he's at now could be even better than Evans/MWJ. Good insightNattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:01 pmEvans is one of my favorite players but this has been my observation, too, and my only reservation with Evans getting the primary carries. It puts us behind the chains sometimes when the first run up the middle goes for -1 or -2 yards. MWJ seems to always at least get 2 or 3. I mentioned on another thread that I think next year Evans goes back to a 3rd down back and slot receiver, still getting plenty of touches, but C-Run or MWJ should get the primary carries for your traditional in between the tackles carries.appstatealum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:41 pmHere is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.TomA415 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:26 amWonder how him and Marcus Williams Jr will co-mingle. I think no matter how good they think he is, Darrynton has earned the majority of touches these last two games. Then its MWJ and him splitting touches?? Can only imagine if we still had Jalin. Only so many plays in a game. But this isn't a bad problem to have.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
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The only thing I can guess is that if you see him in person, he really doesn’t look like a RB. I’m close to 6’3 210 and I would say he was every bit of 6’2 if not closer to 6’3 and definitely a built 200lbs. These are not “ideal” measurables for a tailback, unless you know how to maximize them. It seems from his recruiting highlights, he uses his lean frame as a stride runner in space and does a good job of getting low and condensed when making contact, driving with his legs properly. It appears that his frame could handle some more muscle and I’m sure our S&C team is already doing so, which would further his upside.
If you are a strong P5 program looking for a prototypical powerback, Peoples would not have been on your radar. He runs more upright and seems to benefit more running off tackle than up the middle. While built like a WR, he is much more fluid agility-wise. It will be interesting to see how he develops under our S&C program because if he is going to run more upright with that body type, he will need to add on some weight ala Le’Veon Bell or more to the extreme, Brandon Jacobs.
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I don't think Evans will be moved to WR. He is just shy of a 1,000 yards. He will be our primary back next season (Jalin's role), Williams Jr, Harrington and Peoples will all get carries. Coaches may go with whoever is effective for that particular game. What a bright future. Now if we were that deep at OL......
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John "Fat baby" Settle is hard to beat!Yosef84 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:20 pmCertainly wasn't meaning to disrespect anyone before Richardson. I tend to agree that Settle is arguably the best RB every to play at App. Kevin Richardson stands out as a "work ethic" success story though in that he was a walk-on who exceeded all expectations. I remember Settle as being a gifted RB from the start. You are completely right in pointing out it goes back further than Richardson though....Chip Hooks....we do have quite a history!
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Yeah, I kind of forget about Harrington and how he will factor in to this. But don’t be caught up with Evan’s overall yardage total, he could potentially be putting up the same numbers from a different role. He certainly will remain a dynamic weapon in this offense, but at no point this year have a felt like he was a “bell cow” back. He is just a dynamic playmaker that shines the most when he gets the ball in space. It actually bodes better for him to operate as a moveable piece. See my long assessment from a few posts up and the part about having him line up in the slot with the ability to motion him into the backfield if teams bring out nickel or dime packages. He would shred a defense more often than not from that formation.JMappfan5 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:52 pmI don't think Evans will be moved to WR. He is just shy of a 1,000 yards. He will be our primary back next season (Jalin's role), Williams Jr, Harrington and Peoples will all get carries. Coaches may go with whoever is effective for that particular game. What a bright future. Now if we were that deep at OL......
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Pretty amazing numbers considering he wasn't the primary back until Jalin went down AND we were shorted a game by Southern Miss..JMappfan5 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:52 pmI don't think Evans will be moved to WR. He is just shy of a 1,000 yards. He will be our primary back next season (Jalin's role), Williams Jr, Harrington and Peoples will all get carries. Coaches may go with whoever is effective for that particular game. What a bright future. Now if we were that deep at OL......
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Jalin Moore was rated a .69, Duck a .72, the lowest rated recruit at App has a high success rate the last 6 years.
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I didn’t see anybody grinding Troy down in the second half last week. We had a massive grand total of 50 net yards of offense in 2nd half. Also a great RB does much more than just take a handoff and run. Jalin has it all so whoever replaces him also has to block and catch too.
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Don’t forget about Harrington. He was RB2 behind Jalin before he tore his ACL in the spring. Evans was going to be a slot receiver with Moore, Harrington, and Williams jr. As the backs.TomA415 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 4:08 pmWould certainly be okay with this if Cam is as good as everyone is saying. Cam taking Evans share of the carries now with MWJ in a similar role to where he's at now could be even better than Evans/MWJ. Good insightNattyBumppo'sRevenge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:01 pmEvans is one of my favorite players but this has been my observation, too, and my only reservation with Evans getting the primary carries. It puts us behind the chains sometimes when the first run up the middle goes for -1 or -2 yards. MWJ seems to always at least get 2 or 3. I mentioned on another thread that I think next year Evans goes back to a 3rd down back and slot receiver, still getting plenty of touches, but C-Run or MWJ should get the primary carries for your traditional in between the tackles carries.appstatealum wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:41 pmHere is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.TomA415 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:26 amWonder how him and Marcus Williams Jr will co-mingle. I think no matter how good they think he is, Darrynton has earned the majority of touches these last two games. Then its MWJ and him splitting touches?? Can only imagine if we still had Jalin. Only so many plays in a game. But this isn't a bad problem to have.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
After Harrington’s injury Evans moved to RB2 as well as CB Hicks.
Next year with Harrington, Marcus Williams jr, peoples, possibly Hicks and any other redshirted RB, I wouldn’t be surprised at al to see Evans go back to slot, where he is really probably more dangerous.
Think about him getting a screen pass, going in motion or the pitch, or maybe on some sort of reverse/misdirection, or just going downfield. Seems to have many opportunities for him to get isolation, and if he makes 1 miss, he gone...
We are pretty deep at RB next year, if we can keep the injury bug at bay
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I doubt Hicks remains at RB. He was recruited as a DB and likely returns. Evans may eventually move outside but my guess that won't happen until the RB position is stabilized beyond Williams.
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Evans only goes back to receiver if something happens to Williams. He is going to stay at RB. Unless the next HC cuts him loose.
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Not taking anything away from Troys excellent D, but penalties didn't help, putting our offense in precarious situations, and not very good odds of moving the chains against their defense, Some of the situational play calling was not the best either.AtlAppMan wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:25 pmI didn’t see anybody grinding Troy down in the second half last week. We had a massive grand total of 50 net yards of offense in 2nd half. Also a great RB does much more than just take a handoff and run. Jalin has it all so whoever replaces him also has to block and catch too.
Above all that went against the grain to me was clock management under the five minute mark with a 2 score lead. Run the play clock to the single digits at least instead of adding time for Troy to perform a miracle on the mountain. Every second can really count when a good team has the ball, why give them more of a chance?
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Ok I was waiting for the knocks on Peoples size as a negative. Are you kidding? It’s not like the kid is 6’8”. Have you actually watched his highlights?? The “experts” who say he has the wrong frame or other such nonsense are probably the same dudes who have been predicting that our defense will give up 30+ points lately.
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It's not a negative, it helped App land him because other teams overlooked him. I encourage people to go back and read my original post breaking down the RB situation (minus Harrington) because while I'm no expert, I think it is a fair evaluation of what could happen for 2019.bigdaddyg wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:12 amOk I was waiting for the knocks on Peoples size as a negative. Are you kidding? It’s not like the kid is 6’8”. Have you actually watched his highlights?? The “experts” who say he has the wrong frame or other such nonsense are probably the same dudes who have been predicting that our defense will give up 30+ points lately.
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***I'm reposting, but making this caveat.... Harrington may get the start if the staff feels like he is healthy enough to carry the load. I think Peoples may play a limited role for another year if a Harrington led backfield is working. Based on history, I see Satterfield not running a back for 3-4 years versus splitting two good backs and running them 2-3 years strong. Harrington was supposedly pushing Jalin for the start prior to his injury. As I note below, I don't see Evans being the starter. You cannot deny People's raw talent. He has great size Plus the breakaway ability most of us appreciate about Evans. If Harrington gets the nod next year, it's more about preserving quality years for Peoples.
**Here is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
**Here is my observation. D.Evans is great, but he is not a “wear you down” type of back. Evans is a vision guy who waits for the hole and explodes through it with his exceptional speed. He also uses that speed to run off tackle with a pulling guard and can accelerate through the gaps. Howeva..... he is just not built to burn clock and grind down a defense. This is where Marcus Williams Jr comes in. Small frame, but this kid is a violent runner. Marcus does not wait for the hole, he creates one by isolating the free tackler and lowers his head and attempts to run through the tackle. He is a “grind you down” runner.
Perfect example of this dynamic was this past week vs Troy. When it was clear that we were going to drain the clock with the run, Evans really struggled against the stacked box. If he does not have the space to use his dynamic speed, he typically is not going to get the grind yards. I’m not sure if Marcus was suffering from a tweak or not, but he should have been the primary ball carrier under the circumstances of the second half. I saw him getting looked at a couple of times in between plays, so that may be the reason why he didn’t tote the rock more. But when MWjr was in there against the stacked box, he was like a battering ram and gained positive yardage after initial contact.
Moving forward, in my observation, it would seem like Camerun Peoples could be your early down back- dynamic runner with quality size. Marcus would play the same “change of pace” role (but maybe more expanded with more early down work). Evans could slide over to that dynamic WR/RB role, similar to what Heath has been (Heath is a Senior). Evans is bound to still get carries as they can motion him into the backfield against nickel and dime defenses or get the ball on end arounds or tunnel screens. This maximizes Evans’ skill set and prior to this year and Jalen going down, that is what his role seemed like it was going to be anyway,
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