Proof Sun Belt is rising among G5

[Mjohn1988]

UNCC is in a large market but it’s not their market. Charlotte is full of UNC fans, NCSU fans, Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, ECU fans, App fans, and Yankee transplants who don’t care about collage football. UNCC has a large student body and if the program gets good they will have a large contingent of fans in the market. But right now, it’s not their market.

[AtlAppMan]

UNCC is in a large market but it’s not their market. Charlotte is full of UNC fans, NCSU fans, Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, ECU fans, App fans, and Yankee transplants who don’t care about collage football. UNCC has a large student body and if the program gets good they will have a large contingent of fans in the market. But right now, it’s not their market.

It will take UNCC a long time to become relevant and longer to establish a fan base. Look at other FBS programs that have started up their football program from scratch and then how long it took to successfully gain a following. Most have not achieved success.

UCF - started 1979, FBS - 20 yrs
USF - started 1997, FBS - 20 yrs
ODU - started 2009, FBS 6 yrs, not relevant, have a decent following
FIU - started 2002, FBS 15 yrs, not relevant
FAU - started 2001, FBS 15 yrs, not relevant
UNCC - started 2013, FBS 5 yrs, not relevant
GaSt - started 2010, FBS 6 yrs, not relevant

When I say not relevant I mostly mean they have not gained any significant alumni base support and are not relevant competition-wise. The few that have done it UCF, USF, have been at it for 20 yrs now. The rest still haven't achieved even close to their vision.

UNCC has a LONG way to go before they get any real attention.

[NewApp]

One never knows what the future may hold. In five years, CUSA taking Charlotte may turn out to be a good decision. I think a lot of our fans were butt-hurt when we were passed over by CUSA. In the end, it worked out fine for us and it certainly hasn't retarded our success on the field. I certainly don't begrudge Charlotte for taking the opportunity made available to them. It may take them some time to get up to speed but there is no reason to believe they can't find success where they are. I don't subscribe to the idea that by putting someone down it somehow elevates us.

Good points, Jerry. I never did see the point in dissing UNC-C. Certainly doesn't make us look like the big man. They're not much more of a commuter college than we are when you consider how many leave the mountain on week ends. So much for the college experience we are so fond of.

[NewApp]

UNCC is in a large market but it’s not their market. Charlotte is full of UNC fans, NCSU fans, Ohio State fans, Michigan fans, ECU fans, App fans, and Yankee transplants who don’t care about collage football. UNCC has a large student body and if the program gets good they will have a large contingent of fans in the market. But right now, it’s not their market.

It will take UNCC a long time to become relevant and longer to establish a fan base. Look at other FBS programs that have started up their football program from scratch and then how long it took to successfully gain a following. Most have not achieved success.

UCF - started 1979, FBS - 20 yrs
USF - started 1997, FBS - 20 yrs
ODU - started 2009, FBS 6 yrs, not relevant, have a decent following
FIU - started 2002, FBS 15 yrs, not relevant
FAU - started 2001, FBS 15 yrs, not relevant
UNCC - started 2013, FBS 5 yrs, not relevant
GaSt - started 2010, FBS 6 yrs, not relevant

When I say not relevant I mostly mean they have not gained any significant alumni base support and are not relevant competition-wise. The few that have done it UCF, USF, have been at it for 20 yrs now. The rest still haven't achieved even close to their vision.

UNCC has a LONG way to go before they get any real attention.

Look how much of an instant fan base they created when they made their basketball run in the '70's. Of course it is about gone in the interim. Same thing could happen in football. Just hope that if and when it happens we are there to put them in their place.

[NewApp]

"But right now, it’s not their market."
Amen, mjohn.

[asu66]

From the original article...I mention this primarily for the date change from a year ago...

Mobile Alabama Bowl
Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama
Jan. 6, 7:30 p.m., ESPN
Bonagura: Western Michigan vs. Appalachian State
Schlabach: Ohio vs. Appalachian State

[Apptiger]

From the original article...I mention this primarily for the date change from a year ago...

Mobile Alabama Bowl
Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama
Jan. 6, 7:30 p.m., ESPN
Bonagura: Western Michigan vs. Appalachian State
Schlabach: Ohio vs. Appalachian State

Not to cast aspersions on Mobile, I have friends and family in the area, BUT....It is not NOLA. For us I think NOLA is the best destination. Wouldn't mind seeing the Care Bowl in Otown get more relevant and us in it.

Question - Would you rather play a 6th place P5 or a 2nd place MAC/C-USA team???

[Stonewall]

The date makes it the only game on that day.Thats a lot of exposure. Also a lot of practice and healing time. Back to reality , one at a time guys,one at a time.

[GoBoone]

Pass on Mobile. Been there done that. Let’s go get the NY6 gig!

[APPdiesel]

I hope some of us get over the "we got passed up" thing sooner rather than later. CUSA was the pretty girl in high school that got fat and ugly. We married the girl who came into her own and got hotter with age. Getting over it means not bringing it up, not still being bitter about it, not even thinking about it anymore.

[Rick83]

From the original article...I mention this primarily for the date change from a year ago...

Mobile Alabama Bowl
Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama
Jan. 6, 7:30 p.m., ESPN
Bonagura: Western Michigan vs. Appalachian State
Schlabach: Ohio vs. Appalachian State

Not to cast aspersions on Mobile, I have friends and family in the area, BUT....It is not NOLA. For us I think NOLA is the best destination. Wouldn't mind seeing the Care Bowl in Otown get more relevant and us in it.

Question - Would you rather play a 6th place P5 or a 2nd place MAC/C-USA team???

We'll be either at NOLA as the SBC champion, or the G5 rep in the NY6...why are y'all talking about Mobile?

[Yosef10]

C-USA took WKU, MTSU, NT and FAU before App was in the Sun Belt. I guess if you want to endorse this article as valid, you also have to take this too.

SP+ is not (yet) programmed to take coaching changes into account, so the view of Appalachian State is as if Scott Satterfield were still in charge there. You tend to regress toward the mean a bit with a new coach, so it's probably going to be pretty hard for the Mountaineers to maintain top-30 status.

Interesting that the author also believes team regress towards the mean. We had a lively discussion about that here recently.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16118&p=208595&hilit=mean#p208595

See you in a couple of weeks!

The mean over the last 3 decades is 8.5 wins. Poor us.

[Nugget49]

Using Jerry Moore's and Scott Satterfield's success to predict what Drinkwitz will do makes no sense, but it does make you feel better, so you do you.

[moonshine]

C-USA took WKU, MTSU, NT and FAU before App was in the Sun Belt. I guess if you want to endorse this article as valid, you also have to take this too.

SP+ is not (yet) programmed to take coaching changes into account, so the view of Appalachian State is as if Scott Satterfield were still in charge there. You tend to regress toward the mean a bit with a new coach, so it's probably going to be pretty hard for the Mountaineers to maintain top-30 status.

Interesting that the author also believes team regress towards the mean. We had a lively discussion about that here recently.

See you in a couple of weeks!

You are all over this topic my man. "The Sun Belt reached down into the SoCon to grab that one-sport program to shore up its depleted ranks." I liked how you take a 1 sport pot shot at App on the CUSA board, seeing as how this article is about "college football". Let us know when you want us to start paying rent!

Did regressing towards the mean start when App's interim HC took CUSA East's #1, with a 12 year starting QB, to the woodshed in New Orleans this past December? I'll hang up and listen.

[Gonzo]

Using Jerry Moore's and Scott Satterfield's success to predict what Drinkwitz will do makes no sense, but it does make you feel better, so you do you.

Considering that every program Drink touched turned to gold, do we even need to inject the fact that Satt and Moore presided over 30 years of success at this school? What variable in the current Appalachian formula indicates that we’re heading for failure (a claim you and other UNCC folks have been making for ten years)? What “makes sense” in your illogical thought process?

UNCC hired a great coach. Then he left for ECU a week later so you settled for a four-win newbie from Austin P. I’d like to see some 49er math problem indicating that UNCC isn’t going to get even worse than they were under Lambert because I don’t see it AT ALL. Make sure to show your work.

[Mjohn1988]

Using Jerry Moore's and Scott Satterfield's success to predict what Drinkwitz will do makes no sense, but it does make you feel better, so you do you.

Betting on the success of our program makes a lot of sense. Build a successful program at UNCC and then you can do the same. But your PROGRAM better never be built on one person.

[Apple@chin1]

Healy went from Austin pee, to Charlotte poop!

[Gonzo]

They have a game today and he’s on our message board.

Do you think Nugget closes his eyes and pictures Yosef when he screws his wife?

[Mjohn1988]

Can’t help myself.....he has a wife?

[BallantyneApp]

Using Jerry Moore's and Scott Satterfield's success to predict what Drinkwitz will do makes no sense, but it does make you feel better, so you do you.

It’s a much better predictor than your “every team will approach a .500 winning percentage” foray into new math.