AP Poll: App still ahead of UNC

[EastHallApp]

I don't know why so many seem to focus on that statement about "what else is there to accomplish." That was a statement made by a coach who had accomplished a TON in his tenure here at App and had an opportunity to move up for a huge opportunity. I'm sure Coach Satterfield is painfully aware of our lack of wins against P5 programs since 2007 and that there were still goals to be accomplished. I just don't see why folks want to zone in on that as if it were a slap in the face. Time to move on! We need to win these games because it's a game on our schedule and not worry about defending our honor against some fictional slight in the past.

Bingo.

I would guess no one cares about (or even remembers) that statement except for the handful of thin-skinned App fans looking for a reason to be mad at Satt. I had no recollection that he said it until I saw someone else bring it up on this board recently.

[Yosef84]

App did what was expected, so I wouldn't expect a bunch of folks to suddenly stop voting for us. UNC did exceed expectations, but they had a ways to climb. It should be a heck of a game shaping up!

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

No, I don't think a "bunch" are voting for us at this point. I typed that in a hurry and I guess I combined thoughts. I don't think a bunch of people change votes for ANYONE following game one when teams do as expected, so I wouldn't expect them to necessarily drop us either.

[appgrad95&97]

App did what was expected, so I wouldn't expect a bunch of folks to suddenly stop voting for us. UNC did exceed expectations, but they had a ways to climb. It should be a heck of a game shaping up!

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

[MountainMan2020]

App did what was expected, so I wouldn't expect a bunch of folks to suddenly stop voting for us. UNC did exceed expectations, but they had a ways to climb. It should be a heck of a game shaping up!

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

[AtlAppMan]

Bentley has been very inconsistent every time I watch him. That is not new. He has a strong arm and will fire bullets but only accurately hit his target sporadically. He also frequently just throws it up and gets lucky when his receivers would pull it in. That is not a good reliable strategy and sometimes results in him getting burnt.

As was said, USC had several opportunities in the 4th quarter to go down and win it but Bentley couldn't get it done. He was all over the place. UNC didn't exactly blow them away either.

What is more difficult to see was how were both teams in the trenches. On the surface it was ugly but without closely analyzing game tape it is not clear if either team was really doing what they should be or not. It looked sloppy but it was also first game for both teams. I think we need to see how both perform after a couple more games to see if they clean it up or if ugly is their norm.

I think Bentley's inconsistent performance may have been more of a reason he will sit than his injury.

[appgrad95&97]

App did what was expected, so I wouldn't expect a bunch of folks to suddenly stop voting for us. UNC did exceed expectations, but they had a ways to climb. It should be a heck of a game shaping up!

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

[asucrutch23]

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

I can help you guys here. Both Lauren Brownlow of WRAL in Raleigh and Chadd Cripe of The Idaho Statesman in Boise voted App #24. Total of 4 points.

Preseason, Brownlow had App at #23 and Cripe had us at #24. Total of 5 points.

CollegePollTracker.com is a great site: https://collegepolltracker.com/football ... neers/2019

[asucrutch23]

Looks like we actually jumped 6 spots even though our point total dropped. This is because several teams ahead of us in the ORV category lost week 1:

Missouri
Northwestern
South Carolina
Virginia Tech
Fresno State
Utah State

One more dropped below us in winning fashion:

Minnesota (barely beat South Dakota State)

And one jumped us:

Oklahoma State

[NewApp]

The pollsters are obviously discounting the fact that old App, ex National Championship Texas coach, Mack Brown is back. It will be a blood bath with Tar Hick flavored refs.

Are there Sun Belt refs in this game? I thought this was a 2-1? Basically a 1-1 with a money game? That would mean there would be Sun Belt refs at the away game, right?

IDK. I just know they usually get friendly officiating.

[APPdiesel]

We need Miami to beat up UNC

I get what you are saying but wouldn't we rather beat a UNC team with no excuses? "The only reason we lost to App is because we are beat up". That is not what we want to hear. We need to beat a UNC team high off of their fast start, Mack Attack, blah blah blah.

The only people who care about excuses are the ones making them.

[Rick83]

Interesting that we beat an FCS team and UNC beats USC but we're still receiving more votes...in both the AP and Coaches polls.
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Why would that surprise anyone? UNC has been terrible the past two years and beat what looks like a mediocre South Carolina team on a neutral field. App had more votes going into the weekend and covers a huge spread. Why would UNC logically jump over App in any poll based on those outcomes?

I wasn't surprised; I found it interesting that App, as a member of the Sun Belt beat a non-ranked FCS team and we're ranked 3 places higher than a P5 ACC team which beat USC who is a member of the darling SEC conference. Interesting as in some voters out there are paying us some respect. As mentioned in another post, if the Heels beat Miami, even if we slam Charlotte, then they will leapfrog over us in votes and probably rightly so. IF that happens, it'll make a win in Chapel Hill that much sweeter.

[MountainMan2020]

You think a bunch of folks are voting for us? My guess is there is one voter in each poll who had/has us at 22.

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

As mentioned, The Athletic has App at #27 (preseason #25). Realizing this doesn’t factor into the AP or coaches poll, the point is a prominent national publication considers App to be one of the top 27 teams in the country.

[EastHallApp]

Seems like some of our own want to sell us short. The Athletic had us in at #25 before week 1 and now at #27. I think it’s likely more than “one voter”. Good thing some of you guys aren’t voters!

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

As mentioned, The Athletic has App at #27 (preseason #25). Realizing this doesn’t factor into the AP or coaches poll, the point is a prominent national publication considers App to be one of the top 27 teams in the country.

Which is very cool - but a couple things. 1) You're "correcting" his point about only one person in each poll voting for us (actually two) by referring to a completely different ranking. 2) The Athletic 130 itself appears to be one writer's opinion - not a poll at all.

[MountainMan2020]

Bosie St. travels 2,500 miles for a 7pm game in Jacksonville, has to move to Tallahassee to play at noon (10am PDT), get beat down in the first half (with a true freshman QB) and comes back to win. That's how a team picks up 141 AP votes. That's how a team (with a real national reputation gets ranked.

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

As mentioned, The Athletic has App at #27 (preseason #25). Realizing this doesn’t factor into the AP or coaches poll, the point is a prominent national publication considers App to be one of the top 27 teams in the country.

Which is very cool - but a couple things. 1) You're "correcting" his point about only one person in each poll voting for us (actually two) by referring to a completely different ranking. 2) The Athletic 130 itself appears to be one writer's opinion - not a poll at all.

As shown above it was more than one vote, and the reference to the Athletic poll was intended to evidence there are some at a national level that rank App within the top 25-30 teams. The OP (and subsequent follow ups) infer Apps rank in the AP and coaches poll are attributed to one writer/coach that may have a bias towards App. Anyway, I really don’t have a good feel myself where we stack up and won’t for another few weeks - but I’m also not going to acknowledge the broader CFB community doesn’t know or respect who App is. Oh, and all polls reflect the opinions of the pollsters.

[EastHallApp]

So? Good for Boise. You’re suggesting App isn’t worthy, which is fine and your opinion... and we’ll see how things play out the next few weeks. But your earlier post suggesting “one voter” was the reason App was higher than other teams, such as UNC, is factually inaccurate. At this stage, App has at least some at the national level convinced they are a top 25-30 team.

No more than four voters could have voted us at 25. Thats max. Maybe 2 at 24. Maybe 1 a 24 and 2 at 25. Maybe 1 at 22. It's four voters max. I'm guessing one consistent voter who has us at 22. Please, and I mean this, tell me how I'm "factually inaccurate".

As mentioned, The Athletic has App at #27 (preseason #25). Realizing this doesn’t factor into the AP or coaches poll, the point is a prominent national publication considers App to be one of the top 27 teams in the country.

Which is very cool - but a couple things. 1) You're "correcting" his point about only one person in each poll voting for us (actually two) by referring to a completely different ranking. 2) The Athletic 130 itself appears to be one writer's opinion - not a poll at all.

As shown above it was more than one vote, and the reference to the Athletic poll was intended to evidence there are some at a national level that rank App within the top 25-30 teams. The OP (and subsequent follow ups) infer Apps rank in the AP and coaches poll are attributed to one writer/coach that may have a bias towards App. Anyway, I really don’t have a good feel myself where we stack up and won’t for another few weeks - but I’m also not going to acknowledge the broader CFB community doesn’t know or respect who App is. Oh, and all polls reflect the opinions of the pollsters.

Yes, but a *poll* by definition includes multiple voters. One person ranking the teams isn't a poll.

The other stuff... I think you're making inferences about people's intended meaning that may not have been there. But then again they weren't my posts, so who knows.

[ericsaid]

I don't know why so many seem to focus on that statement about "what else is there to accomplish." That was a statement made by a coach who had accomplished a TON in his tenure here at App and had an opportunity to move up for a huge opportunity. I'm sure Coach Satterfield is painfully aware of our lack of wins against P5 programs since 2007 and that there were still goals to be accomplished. I just don't see why folks want to zone in on that as if it were a slap in the face. Time to move on! We need to win these games because it's a game on our schedule and not worry about defending our honor against some fictional slight in the past.

Bingo.

I would guess no one cares about (or even remembers) that statement except for the handful of thin-skinned App fans looking for a reason to be mad at Satt. I had no recollection that he said it until I saw someone else bring it up on this board recently.

No one is mad that he said it. To some degree for Satt, considering the length of his stay in Boone, it's true. But for the football program and university, is it actually true? The answer is no. The one thing people still hang their hat on since App's move is that they haven't beat a P5. App fans see bowl games and overtime losses as validation but to much of the country, it isn't. Winning any combination of the three close games against Penn State, Tennessee, and Wake Forest would have validated App's move in the eyes of public perception and would have elevated the program even further.

Note: I'm not mad at Satterfield for leaving. I watched the Louisville game pulling for Louisville to win, which has never happened in my life. This is more about how, "what else is there to accomplish?" didn't need to be said because, as Drink pretty much stated, there is plenty more to be done. Boise has been doing this for 15 years now, yet I doubt they often feel "what else is there to accomplish?". UCF, two NY6 Bowl wins, doesn't sit back and say "what else is there to accomplish?". As a program, it's busch league to even propose such a thing is acceptable to believe in.

[ah59396]

I don't know why so many seem to focus on that statement about "what else is there to accomplish." That was a statement made by a coach who had accomplished a TON in his tenure here at App and had an opportunity to move up for a huge opportunity. I'm sure Coach Satterfield is painfully aware of our lack of wins against P5 programs since 2007 and that there were still goals to be accomplished. I just don't see why folks want to zone in on that as if it were a slap in the face. Time to move on! We need to win these games because it's a game on our schedule and not worry about defending our honor against some fictional slight in the past.

Bingo.

I would guess no one cares about (or even remembers) that statement except for the handful of thin-skinned App fans looking for a reason to be mad at Satt. I had no recollection that he said it until I saw someone else bring it up on this board recently.

No one is mad that he said it. To some degree for Satt, considering the length of his stay in Boone, it's true. But for the football program and university, is it actually true? The answer is no. The one thing people still hang their hat on since App's move is that they haven't beat a P5. App fans see bowl games and overtime losses as validation but to much of the country, it isn't. Winning any combination of the three close games against Penn State, Tennessee, and Wake Forest would have validated App's move in the eyes of public perception and would have elevated the program even further.

Note: I'm not mad at Satterfield for leaving. I watched the Louisville game pulling for Louisville to win, which has never happened in my life. This is more about how, "what else is there to accomplish?" didn't need to be said because, as Drink pretty much stated, there is plenty more to be done. Boise has been doing this for 15 years now, yet I doubt they often feel "what else is there to accomplish?". UCF, two NY6 Bowl wins, doesn't sit back and say "what else is there to accomplish?". As a program, it's busch league to even propose such a thing is acceptable to believe in.

The fact is we need to beat UNC and Mac Brown like a drum in front of everyone in this state. Leave no room for discussion regarding who owns North Carolina when it comes to college football. Anything less would be a disappointment in my mind.


This will be our chance to make a statement.

[bigdaddyg]

I don't know why so many seem to focus on that statement about "what else is there to accomplish." That was a statement made by a coach who had accomplished a TON in his tenure here at App and had an opportunity to move up for a huge opportunity. I'm sure Coach Satterfield is painfully aware of our lack of wins against P5 programs since 2007 and that there were still goals to be accomplished. I just don't see why folks want to zone in on that as if it were a slap in the face. Time to move on! We need to win these games because it's a game on our schedule and not worry about defending our honor against some fictional slight in the past.

Bingo.

I would guess no one cares about (or even remembers) that statement except for the handful of thin-skinned App fans looking for a reason to be mad at Satt. I had no recollection that he said it until I saw someone else bring it up on this board recently.

No one is mad that he said it. To some degree for Satt, considering the length of his stay in Boone, it's true. But for the football program and university, is it actually true? The answer is no. The one thing people still hang their hat on since App's move is that they haven't beat a P5. App fans see bowl games and overtime losses as validation but to much of the country, it isn't. Winning any combination of the three close games against Penn State, Tennessee, and Wake Forest would have validated App's move in the eyes of public perception and would have elevated the program even further.

Note: I'm not mad at Satterfield for leaving. I watched the Louisville game pulling for Louisville to win, which has never happened in my life. This is more about how, "what else is there to accomplish?" didn't need to be said because, as Drink pretty much stated, there is plenty more to be done. Boise has been doing this for 15 years now, yet I doubt they often feel "what else is there to accomplish?". UCF, two NY6 Bowl wins, doesn't sit back and say "what else is there to accomplish?". As a program, it's busch league to even propose such a thing is acceptable to believe in.

The fact is we need to beat UNC and Mac Brown like a drum in front of everyone in this state. Leave no room for discussion regarding who owns North Carolina when it comes to college football. Anything less would be a disappointment in my mind.


This will be our chance to make a statement.

I agree. First and foremost is to to win the "state championship" so to speak. We need to establish ourselves as an elite NC FBS program. We also need to kick the Gamecocks in the teeth for local regional recognition. We have beaten to death all of the P5 losses since Wake, rationalized many of them and agonized over the ones we let slip away. Hardly anyone outside of the App family cares or even knows about those games but A LOT of people will damn sure know about the UNC game, win or lose. If we lose tons of folks will tell us to shut up about not getting respect. Huge game.

[Yosef84]

It's kind of funny. If you ask anyone on this board in a separate conversation not referencing App's specific ranking, they would probably tell you that the polls mean nothing until the second half of the season. Pre-season and early season polls are just an opinion fest because there is no current data on which to base them...and yet....here we are arguing about it with some folks feeling disrespected.

Is it Saturday yet? Beat Charlotte!