For the good of the Program

[MrCraig]

HCSC needs to let OC do his job.

I’ve asked this question and never gotten an answer. What happened after our first 3 games? Our offense was humming in those games but has become incredibly predictable since then. I/we may never know, but I’d love to know who is calling the plays and if that has changed and why.

[hapapp]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

Wait, we can’t call kids and recruit the portal? Do they have to call us first? I thought portal was free game both ways

You're assuming every 3rd stringer at UGA or Clemson is in the portal. We can't call anyone already on someone else's roster and encourage to enter them the portal.

[311neers]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

Wait, we can’t call kids and recruit the portal? Do they have to call us first? I thought portal was free game both ways

You're assuming every 3rd stringer at UGA or Clemson is in the portal. We can't call anyone already on someone else's roster and encourage to enter them the portal.

We should be calling any UGA/Clemson/state/unc/UT player in the portal. I think UGA had 8-9 enter last year. Clemson had a fair share too.

[BambooRdApp]

Doesn't matter what school the player is at..if a good fit, inquire
If Burger is the guy which I am not sure he is ..big risk to put your future in the hands of an unproven freshman QB ..

[AppStateNews]

We need size upfront and speed in secondary. Clark needs to call every 3rd-4th stringer at UGA and backups at clemson and regional schools (UT, state, unc) and offering them a spot in the off-season via the portal.

Oh, and play Kanye roberts the next 2 games so he don’t leave to one of the above schools.

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

Wait, we can’t call kids and recruit the portal? Do they have to call us first? I thought portal was free game both ways

You're assuming every 3rd stringer at UGA or Clemson is in the portal. We can't call anyone already on someone else's roster and encourage to enter them the portal.

We should be calling any UGA/Clemson/state/unc/UT player in the portal. I think UGA had 8-9 enter last year. Clemson had a fair share too.

Disagree. Perhaps calling positions of need from those schools. But according to you, every position is a position of need.

But, you also have to realize the school limits who can transfer in. Not the athletic department, the university because of credit hours. A lot of credit hours don't transfer for some reason. So a lot players don't want to come here and lose up to a year of class credit. Also, a lot of those players wouldn't even qualify here.

Add in the NIL deals they can get at other schools (lost one for $50,000 to Kentucky I believe) and it's not as easy as "call em up!"

[311neers]

So you want Clark to break NCAA rules? That's a little weird...

Wait, we can’t call kids and recruit the portal? Do they have to call us first? I thought portal was free game both ways

You're assuming every 3rd stringer at UGA or Clemson is in the portal. We can't call anyone already on someone else's roster and encourage to enter them the portal.

We should be calling any UGA/Clemson/state/unc/UT player in the portal. I think UGA had 8-9 enter last year. Clemson had a fair share too.

Disagree. Perhaps calling positions of need from those schools. But according to you, every position is a position of need.

But, you also have to realize the school limits who can transfer in. Not the athletic department, the university because of credit hours. A lot of credit hours don't transfer for some reason. So a lot players don't want to come here and lose up to a year of class credit. Also, a lot of those players wouldn't even qualify here.

Add in the NIL deals they can get at other schools (lost one for $50,000 to Kentucky I believe) and it's not as easy as "call em up!"

The kids that can qualify, and are in the portal, and are a position of need, which is everywhere right now cuz we are 5-5 and not a good team, you offer them. Have to at least try! Can’t land someone if you don’t offer!

[teller]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

[AppStateNews]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

[bigdaddyg]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

While it IS a team game and I personally never liked the "everyone gets a trophy " mentality to punitively punish a roster for the actions of a player seems a bit extreme. This ain't some Clint Eastwood military movie.

[teller]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

Maybe. But you’ve most likely never ran a gasser if you think the players continually celebrate game after game after g… Semantics aside, we are terrible and I seriously can’t fathom why a player would want to celebrate after ANY play considering the current record

[AppStateNews]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

While it IS a team game and I personally never liked the "everyone gets a trophy " mentality to punitively punish a roster for the actions of a player seems a bit extreme. This ain't some Clint Eastwood military movie.

It builds accountability. I like the team punishments. It makes you think twice about details. It helps build the camaraderie. You don't do things because it's going to hurt your brothers. Likewise, you do things because you don't want to let down your brothers.

I'm not talking about missing a block, dropping a pass, or holding. Those mistakes happen. I'm talking about the personal fouls, the false starts as a WR, etc.

[AppStateNews]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

Maybe. But you’ve most likely never ran a gasser if you think the players continually celebrate game after game after g… Semantics aside, we are terrible and I seriously can’t fathom why a player would want to celebrate after ANY play considering the current record

I've put blood sweat and tears in the field at KBS. I can guarantee I have ran more gassers on that field than you have nonsensical posts on here -- which is a lot.

Fun fact -- at high level college football, gassers aren't that hard. Give me a 100 yard pencil roll if you want difficult.

[teller]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

Maybe. But you’ve most likely never ran a gasser if you think the players continually celebrate game after game after g… Semantics aside, we are terrible and I seriously can’t fathom why a player would want to celebrate after ANY play considering the current record

I've put blood sweat and tears in the field at KBS. I can guarantee I have ran more gassers on that field than you have nonsensical posts on here -- which is a lot.

Fun fact -- at high level college football, gassers aren't that hard. Give me a 100 yard pencil roll if you want difficult.

I concede.

[WataugaMan]

Put that Doctor Pepper down!

[InFor6More]

Here’s a thought: considering the state of mediocrity we’ve hit, how about the coaches deploy a mandate that says “for every grandstanding moment an App State player committs, every single player on the roster is required to run 2+ gassers after a full pad, full contact practice. No days off, no walk throughs, you quit, you’re done.

You're naive if you don't think they are penalized for stupid errors...

AppStateNews, I hate that you’re having to defend the program and do so much educating on here but I do love the fact that you’re bringing it today! I’ve always valued your insights.

[AppWyo]

If winning were as easy, as everyone seems to think it is, then every team would have a winning record. You should not change your spouse just because they did not cook your breakfast perfectly this morning. Be grateful someone cooked breakfast for you this morning.

We have one of the best programs, because we have some of the best people available here at Appalachian.

Just look at UNC-Ch; they thought they could do better with someone better than Mack Brown. News flash, they have been basically irrelevant since he left and are only relevant now, now because he returned. Look at Texas; they have not been relevant since Mack Brown left.

I believe that if we get rid of Shawn Clark, Appalachian becomes irrelevant as well.

[ASUTodd]

If winning were as easy, as everyone seems to think it is, then every team would have a winning record. You should not change your spouse just because they did not cook your breakfast perfectly this morning. Be grateful someone cooked breakfast for you this morning.

We have one of the best programs, because we have some of the best people available here at Appalachian.

Just look at UNC-Ch; they thought they could do better with someone better than Mack Brown. News flash, they have been basically irrelevant since he left and are only relevant now, now because he returned. Look at Texas; they have not been relevant since Mack Brown left.

I believe that if we get rid of Shawn Clark, Appalachian becomes irrelevant as well.

We would be fine without Shawn Clark. People said the same thing when JMoore left. You look at the people you have and see what's not geehawing. If it's the head coach he goes on his merry way with a pocket full of money. You then have to hire a good fit replacement. That's the key. Clark is not all that is App State. He's a small cog in a big gear.

Let me add..... I'm not saying we should can him but I'm heavily leaning that way.

[AppSt94]

Dale Jones hasn't been the problem. While our DL is great vs run, Hampton is the only talent that can rush the passer. Now you can bring some extra pressure, but ... Jones is the only DB that can consistently cover. A youth movement in the secondary may be a decent idea. But defense actually has played well past several games. They have done enough to get stops and give our offense a chance to win, which they have not done.

Agree. I think Dale has made good adjustments throughout the season. Hell, we essentially ran a 5-2 for a large majority of the game today. Haven't seen that yet. He's adjusted to the personnel we have. I would love to see Burks in place of Clarke. He can't he a worse tackler.

Agree with you on Burks.

[Bootsy]

NewApp: I got the market cornered on crazy posts on YC. Ain't nobody can touch me!
Teller: Hold my beer...

[WASU 93]

Dale Jones hasn't been the problem. While our DL is great vs run, Hampton is the only talent that can rush the passer. Now you can bring some extra pressure, but ... Jones is the only DB that can consistently cover. A youth movement in the secondary may be a decent idea. But defense actually has played well past several games. They have done enough to get stops and give our offense a chance to win, which they have not done.

Agree. I think Dale has made good adjustments throughout the season. Hell, we essentially ran a 5-2 for a large majority of the game today. Haven't seen that yet. He's adjusted to the personnel we have. I would love to see Burks in place of Clarke. He can't he a worse tackler.

Despite the personnel issues, our defense has made good second half adjustments and kept us in games.
In conference:
2nd Half Points actually given up by the defense:
Troy-7
JMU-22 (but, one of those TD's was on a 9 yard drive, one play after coming of the field due to a quick INT)
Texas State-6 (two FG's, their TD was a 94 yard pick six)
Georgia State-3
Coastal-It was really 7 points, the other TD was a one yard drive after an almost pick 6
Marshall- 7 (the other was the blocked punt)

Even against Texas A&M we can up one defensive TD for the game.

So. realistically, in 5 of the 6 conference games, our defense is giving up an average of 6 points per game in the second half on normal football drives. Normally, that leads to a conference contending season.

And the defense made stops in the 3rd Quarter against JMU. The offense just could not string together any plays.

However, we are playing porous defense in the first half with a stagnant offense. Thus, we are always playing from behind and the 3rd down conversions that we give up are magnified. Add in 2nd Half INT's, Turnovers on Downs, Special Teams miscues and we are pressing and never able to get over the hump with the exception of Georgia State and the Hail Mary.