No tailgate spots for students this season

[mike87]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

Old West Virginian Fart

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

I always try to keep my perception as a student of what the Yosef Club was (I graduated in '14)

Yosef Club in my 18-23 year old mind:
1) No idea.
2) No idea what people donated to get in the lots
3) No idea what people donated to get into seats, I just figured the people in "those yellow seats on the 50" donated a lot

I literally had zero idea what Yosef Club was until 4 years after graduation when I finally got everything paid off and had enough money that I thought I could swing season tickets.

I don't think this decision will sway students one way or another in joining Yosef, I think their love of watching App football games will.

That said, I still think a contingency plan should have been laid out before sending that announcement. If they said hey you can't tailgate in Raley anymore but you can in Sanford Mall, I think most would have been ok with it. My concern as a student would be the fact that when I was there, if you were caught with an open container anywhere other than your lot, you were ticketed and I felt we were always being watched, which we were, because the undercover ALE officers were not very well undercover. I don't know how it works now.

Yeah, not having an alternative prepared for the students was bad planning, even if it would’ve been a downgrade. Bottom line is that App has to get creative to generate as much money as possible for the program to continue to grow.

I can’t imagine Sanford would be an optimal spot as the heavy foot traffic, and the previously mentioned destructive tendency of college kids, would leave it looking like East Ukraine on Sunday mornings.

[AppSt94]

Just curious as to why athletics is getting vilified for this and are seen as in the crosshairs of the backlash and repercussions? This problem was created by the University’s decision to close parking lots. Which by the way, Duncan lot looks pretty open to me as of Saturday night. Yes. Students were displaced for the sake of Yosef Club donors, but let’s not forget that the University relies on those same donors when it comes to their needs. So if people wish to hand wring on how this is going to negatively affect the perception of the athletic department alone then the lense that you are looking through needs to widen.

When I graduated way back in 1994. That was the first year that they decided to hold an all class graduation in KBS. Up until then there were just individual ceremonies for the colleges. They were using that to push for the new convocation center. Well it rained the entire ceremony and it was cold. It created a very unhealthy taste for the school in my opinion and I didn’t donate for years because of it. As I got older, I realized that life choices come with hard decisions. Sometimes you just have to deal with things.

Bottom line, the University created this problem. Not athletics.

[appdaze]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

A whole hell of a lot easier to work your way through in your day than now. I worked and got scholarships and graduated in 2013 and still came out with debt.

I was at App from 2005-2011. Soooooo.... Yes. Yes you can work your way through school in this generation. I had 0 scholarships.

[agentpaul001]

This decision is asinine. Is the administration trying to kill the gameday environment? A lot of schools fight tooth and nail to get turnout similar to what App Football already achieves with the students. While I don't disagree that there are a lot of YC members looking to park, the great student atmosphere is key. Rain/snow/terrible weather the students are almost always the majority of the last fans in the stands.

Hate this decision and hope an alternative is found.

[AppStateNews]

I always try to keep my perception as a student of what the Yosef Club was (I graduated in '14)

Yosef Club in my 18-23 year old mind:
1) No idea.
2) No idea what people donated to get in the lots
3) No idea what people donated to get into seats, I just figured the people in "those yellow seats on the 50" donated a lot

I literally had zero idea what Yosef Club was until 4 years after graduation when I finally got everything paid off and had enough money that I thought I could swing season tickets.

I don't think this decision will sway students one way or another in joining Yosef, I think their love of watching App football games will.

That said, I still think a contingency plan should have been laid out before sending that announcement. If they said hey you can't tailgate in Raley anymore but you can in Sanford Mall, I think most would have been ok with it. My concern as a student would be the fact that when I was there, if you were caught with an open container anywhere other than your lot, you were ticketed and I felt we were always being watched, which we were, because the undercover ALE officers were not very well undercover. I don't know how it works now.

Yeah, not having an alternative prepared for the students was bad planning, even if it would’ve been a downgrade. Bottom line is that App has to get creative to generate as much money as possible for the program to continue to grow.

I can’t imagine Sanford would be an optimal spot as the heavy foot traffic, and the previously mentioned destructive tendency of college kids, would leave it looking like East Ukraine on Sunday mornings.

I don't think it was supposed to be announced yet as other options are being discussed/reviewed. I believe the plan was to announce "student tailgating will be here this year." Someone at campus activities decided it would be a good idea to email select students explaining the situation when the plans have not been finalized yet.

[AppinVA]

I always try to keep my perception as a student of what the Yosef Club was (I graduated in '14)

Yosef Club in my 18-23 year old mind:
1) No idea.
2) No idea what people donated to get in the lots
3) No idea what people donated to get into seats, I just figured the people in "those yellow seats on the 50" donated a lot

I literally had zero idea what Yosef Club was until 4 years after graduation when I finally got everything paid off and had enough money that I thought I could swing season tickets.

I don't think this decision will sway students one way or another in joining Yosef, I think their love of watching App football games will.

That said, I still think a contingency plan should have been laid out before sending that announcement. If they said hey you can't tailgate in Raley anymore but you can in Sanford Mall, I think most would have been ok with it. My concern as a student would be the fact that when I was there, if you were caught with an open container anywhere other than your lot, you were ticketed and I felt we were always being watched, which we were, because the undercover ALE officers were not very well undercover. I don't know how it works now.

Yeah, not having an alternative prepared for the students was bad planning, even if it would’ve been a downgrade. Bottom line is that App has to get creative to generate as much money as possible for the program to continue to grow.

I can’t imagine Sanford would be an optimal spot as the heavy foot traffic, and the previously mentioned destructive tendency of college kids, would leave it looking like East Ukraine on Sunday mornings.

I don't think it was supposed to be announced yet as other options are being discussed/reviewed. I believe the plan was to announce "student tailgating will be here this year." Someone at campus activities decided it would be a good idea to email select students explaining the situation when the plans have not been finalized yet.

I can see both sides here, but I know that “someone at campus activities” should be in the job market this morning, if true.

[GSUwasGump’sFallbackSchool]

I always try to keep my perception as a student of what the Yosef Club was (I graduated in '14)

Yosef Club in my 18-23 year old mind:
1) No idea.
2) No idea what people donated to get in the lots
3) No idea what people donated to get into seats, I just figured the people in "those yellow seats on the 50" donated a lot

I literally had zero idea what Yosef Club was until 4 years after graduation when I finally got everything paid off and had enough money that I thought I could swing season tickets.

I don't think this decision will sway students one way or another in joining Yosef, I think their love of watching App football games will.

That said, I still think a contingency plan should have been laid out before sending that announcement. If they said hey you can't tailgate in Raley anymore but you can in Sanford Mall, I think most would have been ok with it. My concern as a student would be the fact that when I was there, if you were caught with an open container anywhere other than your lot, you were ticketed and I felt we were always being watched, which we were, because the undercover ALE officers were not very well undercover. I don't know how it works now.

Yeah, not having an alternative prepared for the students was bad planning, even if it would’ve been a downgrade. Bottom line is that App has to get creative to generate as much money as possible for the program to continue to grow.

I can’t imagine Sanford would be an optimal spot as the heavy foot traffic, and the previously mentioned destructive tendency of college kids, would leave it looking like East Ukraine on Sunday mornings.

I don't think it was supposed to be announced yet as other options are being discussed/reviewed. I believe the plan was to announce "student tailgating will be here this year." Someone at campus activities decided it would be a good idea to email select students explaining the situation when the plans have not been finalized yet.

Sheesh, what a **** up.

[Mjohn1988]

This sucks for students but hopefully it starts a new tradition. Sanford Mall and the new quad on west campus are prime locations for a grove style setup if they’ll let it happen.

I’ve been thinking the same thing about the new quad since they built it. We need to pull the students up around the stadium and we need to make it easy for them. Shuttle rides, early set up, maybe even some food vendors. To me this is just like giving the students the whole front of the home side for seating. They make the atmosphere and it should be their day. I hope we get this right but I’m not sure we will.

[AppSt94]

I have a hard time believing that the tailgate problem will factor in to the stadium environment for these kids. The folks that want to be at the game will be there regardless of what they do before hand.

[Mjohn1988]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

I’m not going to even start to do the research and I could be completely wrong but I’m not so sure about the “small town” issue. I’m thinking about schools like Clemson and LSU.

[mike87]

Solution...Bud Light has a bunch of out-of-date beer they need to get rid of, ice down a tractor-trailer load in the quad and this PR problem will quickly go away.

[Rekdiver]

Use the quad in the middle of the new dorms.......

[BambooRdApp]

Personally think Sanford Mall or Quad would be good...other universities deal with it and related clean-up..with that said, the university monitors will need to relax for 6 or 7 Saturdays in the fall and let the kids have fun within reason. Otherwise, the students will migrate somewhere else to party without fear of retribution from a hall monitor...that migration will be overflowing into Raley, Greenwood, etc....which may not be optimal as it is already tight in those lots on GameDay with tailgating.

[ASUFan4863]

This is getting blown out of proportion imo based on a few social media activist on twitter X. There were what.. maybe 500 spots in the lottery? The quad and Sanford mall will be the equal amount of room as the 500 spots in raley. MOST students who tailgate/pregame, do so away from raley lot anyways.

The same people bitching and moaning, also complain when we don’t have more funding, better facilities for other sports and no parking (oh the irony).

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

A whole hell of a lot easier to work your way through in your day than now. I worked and got scholarships and graduated in 2013 and still came out with debt.

I was at App from 2005-2011. Soooooo.... Yes. Yes you can work your way through school in this generation. I had 0 scholarships.

tuition, fees, etc. have increased 47% in 10 years since I've graduated. 2005-2007 it cost next to nothing to attend App..

http://bulletin.appstate.edu/mime/media ... g05-07.pdf

Sure, you can do it but it's exponentially more difficult.

we agree on this though. "3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help".

[311neers]

Why don't recent grads donate?
1. They're all paying off student loan debt
2. They make very little money...and with the ever rising cost of living and stagnant wage growth donating to the Yosef Club is not near the top of the list of priorities.

Hear me Boomers...pay the young people

3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help.

I know the Yosef Club is still operated by the University and therefore is restricted in how it can operate but if they would market at a grass roots level on social media to the younger graduates I'm sure you'd see a swell of $5, $10, $20 donations...."Donate a dollar for evey firstdown, $5 for a sack, $10 touchdown, $15 for a turnover"

Oh and don't ask the current undergrads for money. They don't have any and thats just classless.

On average about half graduate in debt. Donating to App has nothing to do with the current wage issue. Its been an issue for decades. The issue is that my guess about 70% of app students graduate and never look back. They go back to their home cities and root for the blue bloods or maybe home is a different state. App being in the tiny town of Boone absolutely kills its ability to have a large donor population. Lots of stats out there show that universities in larger cities have larger donor bases because the graduates stick around after graduation. The college becomes more of their life and a bigger sense of pride. 99% of App grads do not live in Boone.

I'm not a Boomer. I'm probably half the age of that old West Virginian fart that passes through here. I made a decision to work my way through App and came out debt free. It is possible even with today's prices. It is a matter of personal choice. Sit back and let the debt pile up while you frolick around or bust your butt and work your way through. I promise you can still have a social life.

The Yosef Club is active on social media. The problem is that we go back to my previous answer that so many App grads never look back that they won't even follow our social media to see it. They just don't care.

Student Yosef club
https://twitter.com/studentyosef?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/studentyosefclub/

https://www.tiktok.com/@student_yosef_c ... vu4YI&_r=1

https://www.facebook.com/StudentYosef/


Now about App students not having any money.

"The median family income of a student from Appalachian State is $107,500, and 49% come from the top 20 percent. Less than 1% of students at Appalachian State came from a poor family but became a rich adult."

from top 1% 1.7%
...from top 5% 12%
...from top 10% 28%
...from top 20% 49%
...from bottom 20% 3.3%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/pro ... ch%20adult.

A whole hell of a lot easier to work your way through in your day than now. I worked and got scholarships and graduated in 2013 and still came out with debt.

I was at App from 2005-2011. Soooooo.... Yes. Yes you can work your way through school in this generation. I had 0 scholarships.

tuition, fees, etc. have increased 47% in 10 years since I've graduated. 2005-2007 it cost next to nothing to attend App..

http://bulletin.appstate.edu/mime/media ... g05-07.pdf

Sure, you can do it but it's exponentially more difficult.

we agree on this though. "3. Its not well marketed to anyone that donating, even a little, will help".

Stuck around for 2 more football seasons! Daniel Simpson Day, that you?

[Tru2ASU]

And, if they did any kind of clean up after their tailgate, this may not have happened... It costs more to clean the student half of peacock and the student section in the stadium than it does to clean every other tailgate lot and section in the stadium combined...

All day this. Last year was atrocious, and it's gotten out of control, to the point of pure obnoxiousness.

[AppSt94]

And, if they did any kind of clean up after their tailgate, this may not have happened... It costs more to clean the student half of peacock and the student section in the stadium than it does to clean every other tailgate lot and section in the stadium combined...

All day this. Last year was atrocious, and it's gotten out of control, to the point of pure obnoxiousness.

I’m sure it helped make the decision easier, but they needed the spots for displaced season ticket holder from other lots.

[hapapp]

I have a hard time believing that the tailgate problem will factor in to the stadium environment for these kids. The folks that want to be at the game will be there regardless of what they do before hand.

How many of the 10,000 or so students who attend games, tailgate in Raley?