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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by APPARJ » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:54 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:I am all for a stable of quality receivers.

One thing I am still concerned about is QB. I think Kam has great upside and am looking for him to make a huge leap from first year to second year starter. Sat said on one of his interviews exactly what I was thinking about last year, Kam was slow making decisions and therefore pocket started collapsing, late delivery to receivers allowed defenders to converge. Jackson had gotten bad about this and was eventually replaced by Bryant. I am hoping and expecting Kam to get much more comfortable this year. Game will go much faster against SBC teams so he will have to make quick decisions on every snap. He needs to be putting ball where receivers will be not where they are. Sat also said he was working on arm strength so he needs to challenge defense downfield.

I am hoping to see Kam come out of gate strong and on top of his game. If O-line give him some protection I think things can come together.
I don't know what the others that have watched practices have to say but to me Taylor Lamb has shown the best combination of timing, accuracy and arm strength. Again, hard to tell at this point if that will translate. JP has the best arm but tends to make the most mental mistakes. Kam is solid but even he's missed WRs and of course doesn't have the arm that the other 2 have.

I say you go with Kam because he's earned it but to me it doesn't look like Lamb is far behind.
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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by AtlAppMan » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:30 pm

I had so dearly hoped Jackson was going to have a breakout year last year after playing the year before but it didn't happen and I don't think it was all his injury. He just didn't up his game year over year that way you want to see a QB progress.

If Lamb has the goods and can do it "in a game" better, I don't care whether you think you "earned the right" just because you played last year. IMO, the best player should play. That is how Armanti entered the scene, if I recall correctly. Trey was the heir apparent but a new kid came along and outperformed. I think we are going to be faced with that situation of a new recruit being better than the "veteran" more than once in the next few years due to the changing dynamics of our FCS to FBS recruiting. There is clearly some returning talent but hopefully people (coaches) don't get too dug in on any particular player from last year.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by APPARJ » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:34 pm

AtlAppMan wrote:I had so dearly hoped Jackson was going to have a breakout year last year after playing the year before but it didn't happen and I don't think it was all his injury. He just didn't up his game year over year that way you want to see a QB progress.

If Lamb has the goods and can do it "in a game" better, I don't care whether you think you "earned the right" just because you played last year. IMO, the best player should play. That is how Armanti entered the scene, if I recall correctly. Trey was the heir apparent but a new kid came along and outperformed. I think we are going to be faced with that situation of a new recruit being better than the "veteran" more than once in the next few years due to the changing dynamics of our FCS to FBS recruiting. There is clearly some returning talent but hopefully people (coaches) don't get too dug in on any particular player from last year.
I agree with all of that. That being said, however, I don't think Lamb has performed in such a way that makes him a CLEAR starter over Kam. Kam is performing just fine from what I can tell. That, of course, is only over the span of the two practices I've seen. Which is why I say go with Kam initially. If he struggles, put Taylor in... hopefully faster than we put Kam in for JLJ.
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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by firemoose » Thu Aug 07, 2014 5:42 pm

I haven't been able to go to practice due to medical reasons (seems to be a theme) but as far as the WR's I'm interested to hear about Jones, Capel, and McGuire. RS Fr, Forced to sit So, and JUCO Jr. Jones looked good in spring but not hearing a lot now. They can't be shirted. Need to step up. Hopefully position reports coming out will shed some light.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by T-Dog » Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:07 pm

Isaiah Lewis is going to be special. Looked really good today.

Meadors practiced in full today. He's really smooth and has great instincts.

Kam threw the deep ball today really well. Lamb and Caruso didn't. At the scrimmage Wednesday, it was apparent Lamb is the backup. Caruso just isn't ready yet and has leveled off. Great arm strength but that's it.

Upshaw looks as good as advertised.

McGowan and Law look good. Deuce practiced even less today and I suspect that's not going to change in the near future.

FG kicking needs work.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by EastHallApp » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:01 pm

firemoose wrote:I haven't been able to go to practice due to medical reasons (seems to be a theme) but as far as the WR's I'm interested to hear about Jones, Capel, and McGuire. RS Fr, Forced to sit So, and JUCO Jr. Jones looked good in spring but not hearing a lot now. They can't be shirted. Need to step up. Hopefully position reports coming out will shed some light.
Agree, I'm less worried about WR depth than some. Bigger question to me is whether anyone steps up to adequately fill those top couple spots. Jones seems like the most obvious candidate, and obviously you would like to get some production out of McGuire as a junior.

Don't know how Capel has looked in the fall, but I heard after the spring that he was at least a year away from being game-ready.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:25 am

AtlAppMan said:
"I had so dearly hoped Jackson was going to have a breakout year last year after playing the year before but it didn't happen and I don't think it was all his injury. He just didn't up his game year over year that way you want to see a QB progress."

I just don't see where this comment has any merit? - what do you mean he didn't "up his game"? - have you checked the stats? - And you don't think it was all his injury? - Then what was it? ---
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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by sixtoes9134 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:28 am

If Jamal was healthy last year and we had not had the Sean Price debacle we would have been 8-4 instead of 4-8. Fact.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by WataugaMan » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:28 am

sixtoes9134 wrote:If Jamal was healthy last year and we had not had the Sean Price debacle we would have been 8-4 instead of 4-8. Fact.
Agreed, we would have been at least 8-4. Nevertheless, the ship was turned around at the end of the season, let's hope this momentum carries forward into this season.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by AppState89 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:55 am

One good thing about last year, once "The Cancer" Price was kicked off the team, they did play better. Ended the season strong and hope they build on it Labor Day weekend.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by Saint3333 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:08 am

WVAPPeer wrote:AtlAppMan said:
"I had so dearly hoped Jackson was going to have a breakout year last year after playing the year before but it didn't happen and I don't think it was all his injury. He just didn't up his game year over year that way you want to see a QB progress."

I just don't see where this comment has any merit? - what do you mean he didn't "up his game"? - have you checked the stats? - And you don't think it was all his injury? - Then what was it? ---
I don't think it was 100% physical, that's my opinion based upon watching his feet, mechanics, and body language as the pocket collapsed 2013 vs. 2012. I wish Jamal the best at the next level and will be pulling for him.

If Kam had received #1 reps during fall camp and started at Montana I agree we'd likely win 2 if not 3 more games.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:22 am

Saint3333 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:AtlAppMan said:
"I had so dearly hoped Jackson was going to have a breakout year last year after playing the year before but it didn't happen and I don't think it was all his injury. He just didn't up his game year over year that way you want to see a QB progress."

I just don't see where this comment has any merit? - what do you mean he didn't "up his game"? - have you checked the stats? - And you don't think it was all his injury? - Then what was it? ---
I don't think it was 100% physical, that's my opinion based upon watching his feet, mechanics, and body language as the pocket collapsed 2013 vs. 2012. I wish Jamal the best at the next level and will be pulling for him.

If Kam had received #1 reps during fall camp and started at Montana I agree we'd likely win 2 if not 3 more games.
Of course it was not 100% physical - injury and surgery absolutely have a mental aspect BUT that develops because of the injury/surgery - To me, that quote was implying something else - that's why I asked ---
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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by T-Dog » Sat Aug 09, 2014 2:45 pm

Kam Bryant will be the starting QB at Michigan unless he gets hurt or suspended. Taylor Lamb will be his backup unless he gets hurt or suspended.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by AppAttack » Sat Aug 09, 2014 5:12 pm

The secondary (or at least the depth in the secondary) was widely believed to be a big concern going into the season. I've been reading lots of good things about how they've performed in camp so far. Several guys contributing. Is it possible the secondary is turning into a strength for the defense? That would be great in a pass-happy Sun Belt.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by hapapp » Sat Aug 09, 2014 7:31 pm

One observation I read indicated that the DBs would likely be flagged for a lot of interceptions in real game situations.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:11 am

Seen a couple of references to Saturday's scrimmage on the Cox and Sumler threads, so I thought this might be a good place to consolidate.

Here's the recap, with game stats: http://www.appstatesports.com/ViewArtic ... =209606787

A few thoughts:

- The passing stats make me worry about the secondary, since I doubt all three QBs are that awesome yet. I'm sure part of it was the QBs not having to worry about getting hit, but still... I did notice that Caruso put up some nice numbers for a guy who has been said to look a bit overwhelmed at times.

- Rushing numbers obviously not great. Cox and Josh Boyd apparently didn't play. Interesting to me is that the more productive backs were the ones I would expect to be far down the depth chart (Moore, Davidson). Upshaw couldn't get going and Cathey only got a couple carries.

- Looks like the QBs spread the ball to a lot of receivers. Nice game for Dante Jones - could he be making a push for PT?

-Defensively, sounds like Alanmichael Harkness had a big day. Could be a freshman pushing for PT on that side.

-Kicking game probably won't get much attention, but you have to be encouraged by Matics going 4-4 on FGs.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by moehler » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:45 am

its got to worry SS that they averaged less than 2 yds per rush, I don't know if its a case of the Dline playing great, the OL playing awful, or maybe a combination. Someone mention earlier that the offense doesn't really get going until late in the camp, I hope that's true, if we cant run any better than that, its going to be a long season.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by T-Dog » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:47 am

moehler wrote:its got to worry SS that they averaged less than 2 yds per rush, I don't know if its a case of the Dline playing great, the OL playing awful, or maybe a combination. Someone mention earlier that the offense doesn't really get going until late in the camp, I hope that's true, if we cant run any better than that, its going to be a long season.
I didn't see Cox in the stats and anytime a DL touches a QB, the play is blown dead. That screws with the averages.

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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:54 am

Also don't personally know if it was a game-type scrimmage or if it were a situational-type scrimmage - where, just for sake of example, there was continued work on something like "3rd and 7" or "2nd and 10" where running plays wouldn't be the usual call --- or could be "3rd and 1" where running plays were the call and 2 yards equaled a 1st down ---
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Re: Fall Camp

Unread post by EastHallApp » Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:07 pm

T-Dog wrote:
moehler wrote:its got to worry SS that they averaged less than 2 yds per rush, I don't know if its a case of the Dline playing great, the OL playing awful, or maybe a combination. Someone mention earlier that the offense doesn't really get going until late in the camp, I hope that's true, if we cant run any better than that, its going to be a long season.
I didn't see Cox in the stats and anytime a DL touches a QB, the play is blown dead. That screws with the averages.
Both good points, but if my math is correct, the RBs who did play averaged just 3.5 yards per carry (124 yards on 35 attempts). Not very good.

Jalin Moore's numbers were impressive. Don't know who did what playing with/against 1st team/2nd team/etc., though.

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