I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by HappyHippie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:13 pm

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JCline0429 wrote:Saturday's game was pathetic, but if you think it was the worst App game of all time, you haven't been around long.
I'm having a hard time not declaring it the worst I have seen at home in my 27 years of watching App football.
I didn't realize you were just speaking of home games. The 72-14 thrashing by Chatt in Nooga was the worst I have seen. Saturday's defensive effort was ugly, but if losing by 24 points is the worst you've seen, then we've been pretty damn fortunate.
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Unread post by asumike83 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:24 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:"My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. "

Again - that is YOUR assumption - see my respond as an alternative in #12
Coach Moore said himself that he let them play against Montana because he thought they learned their lesson by missing ECU. He made it pretty clear that he let them play in the 'big game' because he thought they had already been punished enough.

I have a lot of respect for Coach Moore but sitting them against The Citadel was not an attempt at a stiffer punishment because it is a conference game. It was a reward for good behavior. As much as I hate to say it, I cannot disagree with the statement that the ability to pick and choose games like that really lends itself to poor preparation for teams we view as weaker. Not saying we would have won otherwise but the entire situation was handled very poorly and it blew up in our face.

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:48 pm

asumike83 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:"My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. "

Again - that is YOUR assumption - see my respond as an alternative in #12
Coach Moore said himself that he let them play against Montana because he thought they learned their lesson by missing ECU. He made it pretty clear that he let them play in the 'big game' because he thought they had already been punished enough.

I have a lot of respect for Coach Moore but sitting them against The Citadel was not an attempt at a stiffer punishment because it is a conference game. It was a reward for good behavior. As much as I hate to say it, I cannot disagree with the statement that the ability to pick and choose games like that really lends itself to poor preparation for teams we view as weaker. Not saying we would have won otherwise but the entire situation was handled very poorly and it blew up in our face.
not saying it was one or the other - I am saying we have no definitive info on which games were chosen and why and all I am saying is there are other options other than "lowly Citadel - we won't need them" ---
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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by HappyHippie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:55 pm

asumike83 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:"My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. "

Again - that is YOUR assumption - see my respond as an alternative in #12
Coach Moore said himself that he let them play against Montana because he thought they learned their lesson by missing ECU. He made it pretty clear that he let them play in the 'big game' because he thought they had already been punished enough.

I have a lot of respect for Coach Moore but sitting them against The Citadel was not an attempt at a stiffer punishment because it is a conference game. It was a reward for good behavior. As much as I hate to say it, I cannot disagree with the statement that the ability to pick and choose games like that really lends itself to poor preparation for teams we view as weaker. Not saying we would have won otherwise but the entire situation was handled very poorly and it blew up in our face.
Not sure I agree with all the decisions - but when did he make this clear?

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by asumike83 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:04 pm

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asumike83 wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:"My point was the staff decisions set the tone for player preparations and focus. The decision said to the players that we have to have these two to beat Montana, but Citadel is not a problem. That decision was before Citadel beat GSU. "

Again - that is YOUR assumption - see my respond as an alternative in #12
Coach Moore said himself that he let them play against Montana because he thought they learned their lesson by missing ECU. He made it pretty clear that he let them play in the 'big game' because he thought they had already been punished enough.

I have a lot of respect for Coach Moore but sitting them against The Citadel was not an attempt at a stiffer punishment because it is a conference game. It was a reward for good behavior. As much as I hate to say it, I cannot disagree with the statement that the ability to pick and choose games like that really lends itself to poor preparation for teams we view as weaker. Not saying we would have won otherwise but the entire situation was handled very poorly and it blew up in our face.
Not sure I agree with all the decisions - but when did he make this clear?
Coach Moore's quote when he announced lifting their suspensions:

"Our policy for the specific rule that these two players broke specified that the player misses two of the first four games of the season, with the games chosen at my discretion... We made them sit out of the season opener, which I felt was the right thing to do to send a strong message, and I fully intended to have them sit out this week as well. But, after giving it more thought, I felt that they learned a lot from having to miss the season opener and made the call to allow them to participate in the home opener."

I suppose it is open to some interpretation but to me, it sure seems to say that he thinks they had done their time and he is allowing them to play in the big game. He did not come out and say 'We think Montana is a bigger game than The Citadel' but in coach speak, that is about as close as you'll get.

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by HappyHippie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:25 pm

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Unread post by WVAPPeer » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:46 pm

ASUMIKE83 - thanks for posting that Coach Moore quote - I had not seen that before - My question remains that if he chose to sit them in a game dictated by the strength of our opponent then why wouldn't he hold them out for the Chatty game? - it was clear on Saturday during our Montana game when it was announced that Cit had beaten GSU that they must be much better this season - Chatty hasn't beaten a ranked team I don't believe? ---
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Unread post by HappyHippie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:57 pm

Where does this two of four mess originate?

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Unread post by asumike83 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:18 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:ASUMIKE83 - thanks for posting that Coach Moore quote - I had not seen that before - My question remains that if he chose to sit them in a game dictated by the strength of our opponent then why wouldn't he hold them out for the Chatty game? - it was clear on Saturday during our Montana game when it was announced that Cit had beaten GSU that they must be much better this season - Chatty hasn't beaten a ranked team I don't believe? ---
This is just speculation on my part but I'd think he believed that since we had The Citadel at home, we'd have an easier time. Given how well our teams have played at home in conference recently, I thought the same thing to be honest, even after they beat GSU.

Plus, we have barely escaped the last two Chattanooga games by a total of 3 points. Regardless of record, they have played us really tough while our last couple home games with The Citadel were pretty one-sided. I know I was more concerned with our trip to Chatty than the home game against El Cid before last weekend.

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by Apptiger » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:21 pm

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You and I and 24,000+ other people know that wasn't a 24 point game. El Cit could have scored 80 or more if they had wanted to.
I only had the interent radio feed and could tell the the game wasn't as close as the score :(
Not sure it's our worse loss ever but it's gotta rank up there. For me, that VMI game probably hurt the worst. That one or the time the refs beat us in Raleigh.
I have concerns about preparation or depth. Understand we are young, but apparently we are thin in a lot of places. I won't mention pride or heart that would picking on the kids for something that starts with culture and coaching. Still early but the next few games will be major character checks. I hope to see something Saturday or it could turn into a very long year.

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Unread post by B&G » Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:19 pm

You are correct. This loss is due to preparation... But not due to lack of preparation. Rather, they over-prepared and practiced too hard which left our defense with dead legs for the game. That was the behind the scenes sentiment from the team.

They will be fine versus Chatty. Just wait and see.

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Unread post by HappyHippie » Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:43 pm

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appst89 wrote:
You and I and 24,000+ other people know that wasn't a 24 point game. El Cit could have scored 80 or more if they had wanted to.
I only had the interent radio feed and could tell the the game wasn't as close as the score :(
Not sure it's our worse loss ever but it's gotta rank up there. For me, that VMI game probably hurt the worst. That one or the time the refs beat us in Raleigh.
I have concerns about preparation or depth. Understand we are young, but apparently we are thin in a lot of places. I won't mention pride or heart that would picking on the kids for something that starts with culture and coaching. Still early but the next few games will be major character checks. I hope to see something Saturday or it could turn into a very long year.
Why not - we have a history of fighters and CHAMPIONS. These young men picked Appalachian for the bright lights . 6pm Saturday the lights are in Chattanooga. Beat UTC!

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Unread post by HappyHippie » Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:45 am

B&G wrote:You are correct. This loss is due to preparation... But not due to lack of preparation. Rather, they over-prepared and practiced too hard which left our defense with dead legs for the game. That was the behind the scenes sentiment from the team.

They will be fine versus Chatty. Just wait and see.

Not trying to be a prick, but if that is the sentiment of the TEAM - we are in trouble.

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Unread post by B&G » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:31 am

Just passing along what I was told by someone on the team. They knew they had to prep for the triple option. The feeling is they went too hard in practice and had dead legs during the game. I wouldn't panic just yet.

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Unread post by moonshine » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:47 am

B&G wrote:Just passing along what I was told by someone on the team. They knew they had to prep for the triple option. The feeling is they went too hard in practice and had dead legs during the game. I wouldn't panic just yet.
They sure looked like they had dead legs. If this is the case, the blame falls squarely on the coaches. The coaches should know the player's limits, especially after talking about dead legs during fall camp. Having faced TO teams in the Socon for years, they should understand the need to be fresh when playing TO teams. Not having a bye week this season could come back to bite this team.
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Unread post by JTApps1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:00 am

B&G wrote:Just passing along what I was told by someone on the team. They knew they had to prep for the triple option. The feeling is they went too hard in practice and had dead legs during the game. I wouldn't panic just yet.
If this is true I'm really getting concerned about our conditioning. It has seemed like our guys have been wearing down during games each week. It was understandable at ECU, but even in the cool weather against Montana we looked beat in the 2nd qtr. Are the coaches pushing too hard, or are we just not in as good of shape as years past? Disturbing either way.

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Unread post by JCline0429 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:55 am

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B&G wrote:Just passing along what I was told by someone on the team. They knew they had to prep for the triple option. The feeling is they went too hard in practice and had dead legs during the game. I wouldn't panic just yet.
If this is true I'm really getting concerned about our conditioning. It has seemed like our guys have been wearing down during games each week. It was understandable at ECU, but even in the cool weather against Montana we looked beat in the 2nd qtr. Are the coaches pushing too hard, or are we just not in as good of shape as years past? Disturbing either way.
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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by clayton » Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:43 am

We knew for nearly 7 months that Price and Lott had a two game suspension....

We chose to play them against MONTANA, and sit them against the "LOWLY" Citadel, whom we just figured would "show up" again...why else do you play them against a non-conference team.

I think this is a great point. It is not that these two guys would have changed the game, but the mindset from top to bottom was that this would be an easy win.

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Unread post by TheMoody1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:55 am

moonshine wrote:
B&G wrote:Just passing along what I was told by someone on the team. They knew they had to prep for the triple option. The feeling is they went too hard in practice and had dead legs during the game. I wouldn't panic just yet.
They sure looked like they had dead legs. If this is the case, the blame falls squarely on the coaches. The coaches should know the player's limits, especially after talking about dead legs during fall camp. Having faced TO teams in the Socon for years, they should understand the need to be fresh when playing TO teams. Not having a bye week this season could come back to bite this team.

I don't buy the tired defense excuse. It might make sense if it was a hard fought game and they wore down in the second half, but they looked horrible from the very first series.

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Re: I lay this on Preparation.....coaching

Unread post by AppGrad1 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:05 pm

B&G wrote:You are correct. This loss is due to preparation... But not due to lack of preparation. Rather, they over-prepared and practiced too hard which left our defense with dead legs for the game. That was the behind the scenes sentiment from the team.

They will be fine versus Chatty. Just wait and see.

I was 20 once never had dead legs. What an excuse. Laughable imo. Sounds like excuses we got about Michigan a few months ago partying etc...

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