The state of Appalachian Athletics

T-Dog · Unread post by **T-Dog** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:56 am

In a span of 27 months we have changed, or are in the process of changing a Chancellor, AD, several longtime AD Office employees, football coach (and if you go back 6 more months almost the entire football staff turned over), both basketball coaches and baseball coach. App also had the MSoC coach unexpectedly take his own life three years ago.

VB has rebounded well from a 9-23 season two years ago. WSoC is on the up tick. CX has won multiple meets versus good regional competition. FH is slowly getting better. The new facility should yield results in the best 2-3 years. Wrestling has a solid core that should contend for their conference this season. We know about the hoops teams. Softball has probably the biggest uptick in league competition. Baseball didn't get touched by the draft so they should improve and its hard to tell with T&F.

AppSt94 · Unread post by **AppSt94** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:12 am

NewApp wrote:I tried
I meant your doom and gloom on how our record would have been had Coach Moore have stayed. I think our record would have been better but the control issues would have remained. Just my opinion not a pretense of a state of fact. Sorry for the snippy comment in the prior post but I admit I get a little to o defensive about Coach Moore.

Meant for 94

I get it. I am sorry for the way the Coach Moore situation went down. I have often said that a legend should be able to go out on his/her own terms and I meant it. As I understand the story he was given that opportunity, agreed to it and then chose not to be recognized in a final season ala Derek Jeter. That is the way the man is. I love coach just as much as the next guy but he did us no favors toward the end. Sure the record might have been better last year with Coach Moore motivating the kids to play above their heads. But ask yourself this, would we have been able to bring in the likes of Taylor Lamb or one the recruiting battle for a Sheadon Meadors, or landed these larger lineman? I don't know but it was time to put a three year transition plan in motion and Coach had already stated that he wanted no part of it. So yes, waiting one more year would put us one more year behind. I don't understand the doom and gloom comment. I did not discuss records or anything with the pretense of fact.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:30 am

T-Dog wrote:In a span of 27 months we have changed, or are in the process of changing a Chancellor, AD, several longtime AD Office employees, football coach (and if you go back 6 more months almost the entire football staff turned over), both basketball coaches and baseball coach. App also had the MSoC coach unexpectedly take his own life three years ago.

VB has rebounded well from a 9-23 season two years ago. WSoC is on the up tick. CX has won multiple meets versus good regional competition. FH is slowly getting better. The new facility should yield results in the best 2-3 years. Wrestling has a solid core that should contend for their conference this season. We know about the hoops teams. Softball has probably the biggest uptick in league competition. Baseball didn't get touched by the draft so they should improve and its hard to tell with T&F.

Softball has a new coach as well. Not sure what happened but I read the former was reassigned to another job in the athletic dept.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:20 am

AppState89 wrote:
App74 wrote:Appalachian athletics is moving forward. Unfortunately, the forward movement must endure the weight of a substantial division among App faithful. Read this board everyday and it will never fail that someone will bring up FCS/FBS, Jerry Moore, Charlie Cobb, Ken Peacock, etc.; all of these being past tense subjects. See? I've done it myself. So, here goes my position:

1. In all facets of life, if you are sitting still, you are falling behind.

2. Charlie Cobb: Regardless of his performance, good or bad, ten years is enough in any position. Effective leaders are effective for a finite period of time. See the US Congress for an example.

3. FCS/FBS: I became 100% FBS after my trip to Furman last year. I was stunned by the lack of support for a program that was once in the upper echelon of 1-AA/FCS as well as owning us for years. There were more fans at the local high school game the previous night.

4. Jerry Moore: I am going to make two wishes. First, I wish Jerry Moore would use this Saturday to publicly display support for Scott Satterfield, his staff and the players. Second, I wish Jerry Moore would privately go to Scott Satterfield and offer his expertise, presence, advice, mentoring, help. If nothing else, a pregame speech, a sideline visit, something to make the past a positive momentum for the future.

5. Ken Peacock was awesome. The state of Appalachian as a whole now rests with someone else. I am, for now, in support of the new chancellor. So far, however, all I have seen is political correctness. I hope that works to the benefit of Appalachian.
Great post....
As to #3. That was a sad crowd like most of the SoCon schools. Seems like there are App fans at the away games than the home team's crowd. WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY TO KEEP 25,000+ FANS. You know the football players like it. I know we all do.
As to #4. I'm sure that will happen now. CC is gone and the door is probably open.
As to #5. The best chancellor any university has ever had, IMO. It was time for him to step down due to his health problems. He can now enjoy his family, same with Coach Moore.

I agree with #4 but I don't know in what manner Coach Moore could publicly declare his support for Coach Satterfield.. It would be awkward to go on TV and say "I support Coach Satterfield."

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:24 am

AppSt94 wrote:
NewApp wrote:I tried
I meant your doom and gloom on how our record would have been had Coach Moore have stayed. I think our record would have been better but the control issues would have remained. Just my opinion not a pretense of a state of fact. Sorry for the snippy comment in the prior post but I admit I get a little to o defensive about Coach Moore.

Meant for 94
I get it. I am sorry for the way the Coach Moore situation went down. I have often said that a legend should be able to go out on his/her own terms and I meant it. As I understand the story he was given that opportunity, agreed to it and then chose not to be recognized in a final season ala Derek Jeter. That is the way the man is. I love coach just as much as the next guy but he did us no favors toward the end. Sure the record might have been better last year with Coach Moore motivating the kids to play above their heads. But ask yourself this, would we have been able to bring in the likes of Taylor Lamb or one the recruiting battle for a Sheadon Meadors, or landed these larger lineman? I don't know but it was time to put a three year transition plan in motion and Coach had already stated that he wanted no part of it. So yes, waiting one more year would put us one more year behind. I don't understand the doom and gloom comment. I did not discuss records or anything with the pretense of fact.

I misinterpreted, I guess, " One more year with Moore would have put us more behind"

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:26 am

Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:40 am

Saint3333 wrote:Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.

What if he doesn't believe that?

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:42 am

NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.
What if he doesn't believe that?

If he loves App he will believe or at least hope it is true. It is coach speak, he's good at that.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:44 am

Saint3333 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.
What if he doesn't believe that?
Well then suck it up and do what is best for the program.

Maybe he thinks the best thing to do is stay out of it. I haven't seen or heard anything that says he doesn't support Coach Satterfield, have you?

T-Dog · Unread post by **T-Dog** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:49 am

That's the thing. Jerry hasn't said anything about the current team.

There are a number of folks out there who would support the current team if Jerry were to publicly endorse Satterfield. So yes it does matter.

Saint3333 · Unread post by **Saint3333** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:50 am

NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.
What if he doesn't believe that?
Well then suck it up and do what is best for the program.
Maybe he thinks the best thing to do is stay out of it. I haven't seen or heard anything that says he doesn't support Coach Satterfield, have you?

Then he would be wrong and not in touch with the fan base. I personally believe he does support Scott and App and he is in touch with the fan base. He is the only man that can end the divide in the fanbase, and his lack of action can be perceived as not supporting him. Look around here for evidence to support this statement. Coach has an opportunity this weekend to end any speculation anyone may have.

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:53 am

Saint3333 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Saint3333 wrote:Coach Moore will be on the radio show prior to the game.

David Jackson: Coach Moore what do you think of the team so far this year?

Coach: They play hard. There's a lot of talent on this team, young, but very talented, and with experience they'll get better. I have a lot of faith in Coach Satterfield and this staff as the season continues. He's done a great job recruiting against established FBS programs and I look forward to seeing them improve over the next few years.

Seems pretty easy to me.
What if he doesn't believe that?
Well then suck it up and do what is best for the program.
Maybe he thinks the best thing to do is stay out of it. I haven't seen or heard anything that says he doesn't support Coach Satterfield, have you?
Then he's wrong and not in touch with the fan base. I personally believe he does support Scott and App, but he is the only man that can end the divide in the fanbase, and his lack of action can be perceived as not supporting him. Look around here for evidence to support this statement. Coach has an opportunity this weekend to end any speculation anyone may have.

Do you have evidence to support the fan base is divided besides on here? Seems our attendance has been OK considering our record thus far last year and this.

I had no trouble selling my Liberty game tickets and have heard nothing from my many alumni friends.

bigCasu · Unread post by **bigCasu** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:34 am

Why does Jerry Moore have to say something publicly that means absolutely nothing in order for our fans to support this current team and staff? Why is everyone so fickle?

APPARJ · Unread post by **APPARJ** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:35 am

bigCasu wrote:Why does Jerry Moore have to say something publicly that means absolutely nothing in order for our fans to support this current team and staff? Why is everyone so fickle?

The answer to your first question is: "People are fickle"

As for your second question, I have no idea...

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:36 am

bigCasu wrote:Why does Jerry Moore have to say something publicly that means absolutely nothing in order for our fans to support this current team and staff? Why is everyone so fickle?

RP

APPARJ · Unread post by **APPARJ** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:48 am

1987mountaineer wrote:Agree with timing and how disrespectful it was but would another year have altered much? Also, still baffled as to how the basketball program was ruined because of CC not following through with proposed incentives and improvements to MBB and to think he would never even have he to hire a new coach because he would have still had Buzz and company.

While no one knows for sure, I personally believe JM staying another year would've made a HUGE impact but in a negative way.

I saw someone mention it on here but JM leaving after the thrashing at the hands of Villanova would've been appropriate by many standards. But at the very least, after getting pounded at home by MAINE in 2011 should've been the final wake up call.

Now, I know what many will argue. It's the playoffs and you can't win every year. Out of context, that statement is completely true and I would agree... if we didn't field SEVEN NFL quality talents on the roster against an average Maine team at KBS. (Steven Miller, Andrew Peacock, Tony Washington, Brian Quick, Travaris Cadet, Sam Martin and DeAndre Presley)

Our player development after the championship years was pretty embarrassing and we're actually seeing the effect of that still today. Want an example?

Who are the superstars on the roster? Are they Jrs and Srs? Certainly there are some. Kendall Lamm and John Law (RS Soph) stand out the most.

Most of our talent, I would argue, are either too inexperienced to make a big impact right now or are Freshman and Sophomores. For crying out loud, our starting QB is a RS Freshman and is clearly better than our returning QB.

I love Jerry Moore and he's not alone in this topic. Look at Bobby Bowden. Legendary coach who let standards slip at the end.

We've got a long road ahead but I'm excited to be part of it.

Gonzo · Unread post by **Gonzo** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:52 am

NewApp wrote:my many alumni friends

Riiiiiight...

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:56 am

Gonzo wrote:
NewApp wrote:my many alumni friends
Riiiiiight...

Yes right. SA.

appbio91 · Unread post by **appbio91** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:00 am

NewApp wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
NewApp wrote:my many alumni friends
Riiiiiight...
Yes right. SA.

We are adults you can say smart-ass...

NewApp · Unread post by **NewApp** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:03 am

appbio91 wrote:
NewApp wrote:
Gonzo wrote:
NewApp wrote:my many alumni friends
Riiiiiight...
Yes right. SA.
We are adults you can say smart-ass...

Yes, but SA looks better on this board.

He knew what it meant, I hope.

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