I like winning but....

[MAD Doctor]

It sounds like some folks think we jumped to the NFL or something. There is no reason we should not expect to be competitive in the Sunbelt very soon. If the Stink can challenge for the freaking title in their first year, why should we set our sights at 4-8 after 4 years? Those are very low expectations, and I don't get this at all. As far as being young, I'm glad AE didn't think it was mandatory for him to suck until he was an upper-classman. At this point, Satt's long-term strategy looks a lot like his game strategy- very shaky.

The true indicator of where this team is headed, may not be evident until the Spring, when we see how many of our players and prized recruits are still "All in" as opposed to transferring en masse. If they stay, we could be making the turn; if the latter happens, we are in for a world of hurt for at least the next 5+ years.

[NewApp]

I'm not exaggerating the extent of losses per year. They are fact and you can look them up for yourself. Over the past five years we have either had the same number of losses or more than the previous season. That is not progress. I'm sorry that you feel that the Juniors and Seniors and fans are being cheated but things don't always work out the way you want them to. The fact that you think Moore did "Damn well" his last four years is laughable. You mentioned that you would rather be around .500 than go to a bowl game in 2016. What I take from that is you would rather have mediocrity than suck now and be better for the future. Fair point as one is better than the other. But I would say that we have already experienced such a time in App Football. We are now paying for the mediocrity in recruiting and coaching over the last 5 seasons.

1. Where did I say "moore did damn well" ?? I said he did damn well considering he was a lame duck and should have added, his assistants were jumping ship due to the writing on the wall.
2. Where did I say "mediocrity because at this point in time, comparatively, .500 wouldn't be mediocre.
3. The caliber of bowl we are likely to be able to "rise to" doesn't excite me considering the hell we are putting ourselves through now. Can you say "masochism?"

1. Your comment was that Moore damn well the four years after the championship. How was Moore a lame duck coach? Did he work from 2004 to 2013 on one year contracts?
2. .500 is mediocrity. Sure .500 is better than what we have RIGHT now but you are seem convinced that this is the best that we are ever going to be.
3. It's unfortunate that you can't see that going to a bowl game by whatever name is a sign that you had a .500 or better record. I also feel bad for you that you think that this football team is putting you through hell. This is football not life.

Your point #1. Everyone and his brother knew he was past retirement age and his prime and also knew there was still a huge faction who wanted him out even considering his success.

Your point #2. Thanks for making my point.

Your point # 3. Where did I say it was putting ME through hell? I've been around long enough to know this period is merely a blip on the screen compared to other periods we've been through and there is always a brighter day. Thousands of fans and dozens of donors don't view it that way. Hell, there are several on this MMB itself who talk as if they are in agony and are on the verge of jumping ship. I'm not one of those. Too, the juniors and seniors on the team don't deserve to have to sit through the extent of this calamity when the activation of at least a few of the red shirts would make a huge difference if they are as much of a cut above what we have recruited in the past few years if the posters on here have been correct.
And no, football is not life. I have a full enjoyable life outside of ASU football. ASU football is merely icing on the cake even in times of championship football. Likewise, I find things about ASU football to enjoy even in times of football austerity.

You evidently don't know me and can't interpret my post to see that you exaggerate or twist every point I made.

I will enjoy whatever bowl game we will end up in in a few short years, but I also think we could be above .500 at this point quite easily not to mention last year without sacrificing the future..

[NewApp]

It sounds like some folks think we jumped to the NFL or something. There is no reason we should not expect to be competitive in the Sunbelt very soon. If the Stink can challenge for the freaking title in their first year, why should we set our sights at 4-8 after 4 years? Those are very low expectations, and I don't get this at all. As far as being young, I'm glad AE didn't think it was mandatory for him to suck until he was an upper-classman. At this point, Satt's long-term strategy looks a lot like his game strategy- very shaky.

The true indicator of where this team is headed, may not be evident until the Spring, when we see how many of our players and prized recruits are still "All in" as opposed to transferring en masse. If they stay, we could be making the turn; if the latter happens, we are in for a world of hurt for at least the next 5+ years.

You exaggerated a bit in your point I highlighted, but your point is well taken and am in full agreement. As I said in another post, we could be above.500 without giving away the farm so to speak...if the red shirt talent is as good as folks, including, Satterfield want us to believe and is going to be followed by additional years of top notch recruiting..

[Black Saturday]

I think you may have been following Dookie football too long. The SBC is not the ACC or the SEC. If SS can only muster .500 within his current contract, then he's not our man.

Sub .500 is the norm for Duke before Cutcliffe. Duke or Wake or Vandy will rise up every now and again and have a season when they will win 8 to 10 games, but they eventually return to the Mendoza line. Coaches of those respective programs have to win and get out of town fast while their stock is high or risk being run out later. Those programs are encumbered by "academics". Grobe's redshirt model worked for a few years, but he stayed too long. James Frankin recently led Vandy too unprecedented heights, bolted for Penn State just in time, as Vandy is back to not being very good. Cut is respected as a really good coach, but Duke being Duke and the inablility to find enough high caliber students to fill the football roster may be tough and will catch up to him if he stays too long in Durham.

In general, the SBC is a football talent rung lower than the ACC, and proabably 2 lower than the SEC by football standards. Since wev'e moved up to 85 scholarship football, and the POWER 5 money cartel being formed, APP has no chance to ever return to our glory days winning national championships, unless another sub POWER 5 championship tier is formed. With all things considered, as long as we are SBC or non-POWER 5, we'll never recruit enough talent. By default in most cases, APP is probably the 6th destination within NC to play football by a high school recruit.

Now we can compete in and win the SBC and play in a bowl. Too think SS can't accomplish this is not very realistic. He has a plan in place, seems to be very much like the Jim Grobe model, because he understands his limitations. I think our expectations have to be realistically tempered with the current college football landscape, or some of us are going to stroke out. By moving up, we really put a ceiling on what we can win in football.

I really hope that there is another subdivision formed so we can compete for another NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

[NewApp]

I think you may have been following Dookie football too long. The SBC is not the ACC or the SEC. If SS can only muster .500 within his current contract, then he's not our man.

Sub .500 is the norm for Duke before Cutcliffe. Duke or Wake or Vandy will rise up every now and again and have a season when they will win 8 to 10 games, but they eventually return to the Mendoza line. Coaches of those respective programs have to win and get out of town fast while their stock is high or risk being run out later. Those programs are encumbered by "academics". Grobe's redshirt model worked for a few years, but he stayed too long. James Frankin recently led Vandy too unprecedented heights, bolted for Penn State just in time, as Vandy is back to not being very good. Cut is respected as a really good coach, but Duke being Duke and the inablility to find enough high caliber students to fill the football roster may be tough and will catch up to him if he stays too long in Durham.

In general, the SBC is a football talent rung lower than the ACC, and proabably 2 lower than the SEC by football standards. Since wev'e moved up to 85 scholarship football, and the POWER 5 money cartel being formed, APP has no chance to ever return to our glory days winning national championships, unless another sub POWER 5 championship tier is formed. With all things considered, as long as we are SBC or non-POWER 5, we'll never recruit enough talent. By default in most cases, APP is probably the 6th destination within NC to play football by a high school recruit.

Now we can compete in and win the SBC and play in a bowl. Too think SS can't accomplish this is not very realistic. He has a plan in place, seems to be very much like the Jim Grobe model, because he understands his limitations. I think our expectations have to be realistically tempered with the current college football landscape, or some of us are going to stroke out. By moving up, we really put a ceiling on what we can win in football.

I really hope that there is another subdivision formed so we can compete for another NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

Just curious. Who were you addressing your post to?

[WVAPPeer]

I want to know who has employed mind-control over my friend Black Saturday? - I know we have counseled for years but this is way beyond my hopes and dreams ---

[Black Saturday]

I want to know who has employed mind-control over my friend Black Saturday? - I know we have counseled for years but this is way beyond my hopes and dreams ---

There is an old saying, if you can sling enough of it against the wall, some is going to stick.

[App91]

I want to know who has employed mind-control over my friend Black Saturday? - I know we have counseled for years but this is way beyond my hopes and dreams ---

Yeah, I have lost BS, but I bet viewcrew is with me!!

[Black Saturday]

I want to know who has employed mind-control over my friend Black Saturday? - I know we have counseled for years but this is way beyond my hopes and dreams ---

Yeah, I have lost BS, but I bet viewcrew is with me!!

I'm just a call away, albeit a new number, but you do have it?

[App91]

I want to know who has employed mind-control over my friend Black Saturday? - I know we have counseled for years but this is way beyond my hopes and dreams ---

Yeah, I have lost BS, but I bet viewcrew is with me!!

I'm just a call away, albeit a new number, but you do have it?

Yeah, I got it. I have lost you to the dark side of positivity!!

[WVAPPeer]

Come on 91 --- don't be a downer enabler for our buddy -
He is trying really hard to be a glass-half-full guy