App vs. GA Southern Coaching Hires

[WVAPPeer]

OK lets deal with this here. Lets state the obvious, the reason people are saying that he is a "good" coach is b/c they are winning... Probably 60% of the reason they are winning has little to do with their coach (no matter who he is) it is b/c of the SCHEME they run. Remember Florida and how about the year Bama won the national championship and GS had the most rushing yards against them all season that year..... does anybody think that GS has better athletes than Bama... nope... it's the scheme they run. Now transport this concept to the SunBelt... Nobody runs a triple option attack in the Belt, so none of the DCs have had to design a defense to stop it... hellooooo.... they will literally run over them all and have...

GaSouth runs a spread option now, the flex bone triple option look went to Army when Monken took that job.

Fritz's team now passes about 80-90 percent more than any TO GaSouth team has. If you watch some tape on them side by side with our teams from 2006-07 you will notice a ton of similarities in the scheme of attack. Your argument lost ground with the above nonsense.

Setting semantics aside, his point was that GA Southern runs an offense that is unique and difficult to plan for when you only see it once a year.

You are correct appvette - that is what he said --- also it should be noted that manonabuffalo is not exactly correct about GaSo offense either - Currently they are 11th in the SB in passing attempts and not only that the have thrown almost as half as many as the 10th ranked team --- and their offense is very similar to what GaSo has run for years only that they are doing it out of the spread and not under center ---

[BeauFoster]

No doubt that Fritz/GSU is winning the sprint for 2014. I still believe Satterfield has the tools to be a great coach. I truly wanted to believe that the staff was capable of building off of what appeared to be improvement in late 2013, but it's obviously pretty hard at this point. I am not calling for anyone to be fired or for any resignations. That's not my style, and even if it were, it's not the appropriate time for those discussions. It's the middle of a season, and we need to get things back on track...SOMEHOW.

I do believe that Satterfield has a plan. Right now, the plan is yellow trending red. We need a back to green action plan, but I honestly don't know what that involves at this point. I will just say that I am sure Scott is tapping into every resource at his disposal...or I sure hope he isn't trying to figure it out alone.

I've stopped trying to figure out what the rest of this season is going to look like. I will put on my black and gold Saturday and expect this to be the week it changes. That's just what I do. Someone on the coaching staff has to administer a swift kick in the seat of the pant, and a pat on the back at the same time...not an easy thing. The Apps need to wake up and know we have faith, but the time is now.

Georgia Southern is behind us. I couldn't care less about Fritz. Go Get'em Coach Satterfield. We have a few more games this year!

Somebody sounds like a project manager

[ASUMountaineer]

No doubt that Fritz/GSU is winning the sprint for 2014. I still believe Satterfield has the tools to be a great coach. I truly wanted to believe that the staff was capable of building off of what appeared to be improvement in late 2013, but it's obviously pretty hard at this point. I am not calling for anyone to be fired or for any resignations. That's not my style, and even if it were, it's not the appropriate time for those discussions. It's the middle of a season, and we need to get things back on track...SOMEHOW.

I do believe that Satterfield has a plan. Right now, the plan is yellow trending red. We need a back to green action plan, but I honestly don't know what that involves at this point. I will just say that I am sure Scott is tapping into every resource at his disposal...or I sure hope he isn't trying to figure it out alone.

I've stopped trying to figure out what the rest of this season is going to look like. I will put on my black and gold Saturday and expect this to be the week it changes. That's just what I do. Someone on the coaching staff has to administer a swift kick in the seat of the pant, and a pat on the back at the same time...not an easy thing. The Apps need to wake up and know we have faith, but the time is now.

Georgia Southern is behind us. I couldn't care less about Fritz. Go Get'em Coach Satterfield. We have a few more games this year!

Somebody sounds like a project manager

I'm a project manager, and that post made complete sense to me.

[kickass143]

Nice post 84! Put on our black and gold and support our team and coach. "That's just what we do"!

[manonabuffalo]

OK lets deal with this here. Lets state the obvious, the reason people are saying that he is a "good" coach is b/c they are winning... Probably 60% of the reason they are winning has little to do with their coach (no matter who he is) it is b/c of the SCHEME they run. Remember Florida and how about the year Bama won the national championship and GS had the most rushing yards against them all season that year..... does anybody think that GS has better athletes than Bama... nope... it's the scheme they run. Now transport this concept to the SunBelt... Nobody runs a triple option attack in the Belt, so none of the DCs have had to design a defense to stop it... hellooooo.... they will literally run over them all and have...

GaSouth runs a spread option now, the flex bone triple option look went to Army when Monken took that job.

Fritz's team now passes about 80-90 percent more than any TO GaSouth team has. If you watch some tape on them side by side with our teams from 2006-07 you will notice a ton of similarities in the scheme of attack. Your argument lost ground with the above nonsense.

Setting semantics aside, his point was that GA Southern runs an offense that is unique and difficult to plan for when you only see it once a year.

You are correct appvette - that is what he said --- also it should be noted that manonabuffalo is not exactly correct about GaSo offense either - Currently they are 11th in the SB in passing attempts and not only that the have thrown almost as half as many as the 10th ranked team --- and their offense is very similar to what GaSo has run for years only that they are doing it out of the spread and not under center ---

^See above, I never said they were pass happy. I only said they are pass happy compared to previous GA Southern teams that ran a strict version of the TO. In years past they would go 2-3 games with less than 10 attempts combined. This year they will do that sometimes in one game if not more.

[Yosef84]

No doubt that Fritz/GSU is winning the sprint for 2014. I still believe Satterfield has the tools to be a great coach. I truly wanted to believe that the staff was capable of building off of what appeared to be improvement in late 2013, but it's obviously pretty hard at this point. I am not calling for anyone to be fired or for any resignations. That's not my style, and even if it were, it's not the appropriate time for those discussions. It's the middle of a season, and we need to get things back on track...SOMEHOW.

I do believe that Satterfield has a plan. Right now, the plan is yellow trending red. We need a back to green action plan, but I honestly don't know what that involves at this point. I will just say that I am sure Scott is tapping into every resource at his disposal...or I sure hope he isn't trying to figure it out alone.

I've stopped trying to figure out what the rest of this season is going to look like. I will put on my black and gold Saturday and expect this to be the week it changes. That's just what I do. Someone on the coaching staff has to administer a swift kick in the seat of the pant, and a pat on the back at the same time...not an easy thing. The Apps need to wake up and know we have faith, but the time is now.

Georgia Southern is behind us. I couldn't care less about Fritz. Go Get'em Coach Satterfield. We have a few more games this year!

Somebody sounds like a project manager

My formal education is in accounting and I'm a CPA, but yes, I am currently employed as a project manager. Obviously, I shouldn't post while I'm at work. WOW.

[ASUMountaineer]

No doubt that Fritz/GSU is winning the sprint for 2014. I still believe Satterfield has the tools to be a great coach. I truly wanted to believe that the staff was capable of building off of what appeared to be improvement in late 2013, but it's obviously pretty hard at this point. I am not calling for anyone to be fired or for any resignations. That's not my style, and even if it were, it's not the appropriate time for those discussions. It's the middle of a season, and we need to get things back on track...SOMEHOW.

I do believe that Satterfield has a plan. Right now, the plan is yellow trending red. We need a back to green action plan, but I honestly don't know what that involves at this point. I will just say that I am sure Scott is tapping into every resource at his disposal...or I sure hope he isn't trying to figure it out alone.

I've stopped trying to figure out what the rest of this season is going to look like. I will put on my black and gold Saturday and expect this to be the week it changes. That's just what I do. Someone on the coaching staff has to administer a swift kick in the seat of the pant, and a pat on the back at the same time...not an easy thing. The Apps need to wake up and know we have faith, but the time is now.

Georgia Southern is behind us. I couldn't care less about Fritz. Go Get'em Coach Satterfield. We have a few more games this year!

Somebody sounds like a project manager

My formal education is in accounting and I'm a CPA, but yes, I am currently employed as a project manager. Obviously, I shouldn't post while I'm at work. WOW.

I finished my PMP last year, and now use words like "milestones" and "deliverables" daily. Sometimes it happens at home and my wife just looks at me like I'm crazy (which I am).

[App91]

OK lets deal with this here. Lets state the obvious, the reason people are saying that he is a "good" coach is b/c they are winning... Probably 60% of the reason they are winning has little to do with their coach (no matter who he is) it is b/c of the SCHEME they run. Remember Florida and how about the year Bama won the national championship and GS had the most rushing yards against them all season that year..... does anybody think that GS has better athletes than Bama... nope... it's the scheme they run. Now transport this concept to the SunBelt... Nobody runs a triple option attack in the Belt, so none of the DCs have had to design a defense to stop it... hellooooo.... they will literally run over them all and have...

GaSouth runs a spread option now, the flex bone triple option look went to Army when Monken took that job.

Fritz's team now passes about 80-90 percent more than any TO GaSouth team has. If you watch some tape on them side by side with our teams from 2006-07 you will notice a ton of similarities in the scheme of attack. Your argument lost ground with the above nonsense.

Setting semantics aside, his point was that GA Southern runs an offense that is unique and difficult to plan for when you only see it once a year.

You are correct appvette - that is what he said --- also it should be noted that manonabuffalo is not exactly correct about GaSo offense either - Currently they are 11th in the SB in passing attempts and not only that the have thrown almost as half as many as the 10th ranked team --- and their offense is very similar to what GaSo has run for years only that they are doing it out of the spread and not under center ---

^See above, I never said they were pass happy. I only said they are pass happy compared to previous GA Southern teams that ran a strict version of the TO. In years past they would go 2-3 games with less than 10 attempts combined. This year they will do that sometimes in one game if not more.

Did they not play a game last year where there were zero or 1 pass attempts the entire game from both offenses?

[T-Dog]

A GaSo/Woffird game two years ago had no completed passes. GaSo didn't even attempt one in that game and won. They also didn't complete a pass in their win at Florida.

[AppFan11]

Finally Back... I appreciate the back up from all WVA appvette and T-dog. Ok let's try to make it more simple... It is no big surprise that TO offenses are ... lets say unique. While there are different versions and/or formations ... they run, run, run... and run some more. Ok M. buffalo lets address the "passing thing." GS is passing more this year but when you don't pass at all ( the 2013 version of GS) and now you pass more (the 2014 version) its still not much. In 2013, GS passed 52-104; so far this year they've passed 55-95.... also don't get your nonsense comment, While Fritz changed the blocking schemes with the O-line no more cut blocking... this has been the biggest change. Yes they do go from the gun position as opposed from under center. But for the most part, its the same GS with a little different packaging. Just like when Paul Johnson went to GA-Tech... their first year they ran through the ACC... similarly GS is benefitting from the fact that nobody in the Belt runs the TO . Call it good coaching if you want... he didn't screw it up. Plus he inherited a very experienced team that I detailed in the earlier post.

[T-Dog]

The offense Fritz runs is basically a 21st century flexbone. Running is still their meat and potatoes, but its not the exact same quick A-Back dive, B-Back pitch option who starts running before the snap. Its disguised more with different backfields so you really don't know if they'll pass or run. And Monken never really developed Shaw, McKinnon, Youyoute, etc into passers. Some of the ducks they threw up there were begging to be picked. One thing I was told was that Monken was still learning as a head coach when he left and that Fritz is way more polished on how to develop talent. Fritz has developed McKinnon into a real dual threat, which has given GaSo that added dimension to make them so lethal.

As mentioned, Fritz walked into a really good situation with a team most the way to his offense already, a veteran group who were coming off the Florida win. A perfect storm of circumstances.

[AppFan11]

Yes T-Dog, really agree with your last paragraph. I was simplifying the change in formation. To beat their old (2013 version) you had to stop the fullback dive play and string them out to put them in third and long situations. Now you really have to stop the qb. And again put them in long down and distance situations. While Ellison has gotten incrementally better throwing the ball, he is still below average and this is where they are susceptible. And it also helps to get a couple of scores ahead of them too.

[AppAttack]

Give a Mountaineer that bleeds black & gold and wants to be here for the long haul and stability vs. trying to find a new coach every year or two. Give it time, he'll get better and we'll be in good shape for a long time. He won't leave for a "better" job.