O Line

AppGrad78 · Unread post by **AppGrad78** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:22 pm

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YesAppCan · Unread post by **YesAppCan** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:28 pm

Good question '78.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:40 pm

YesAppCan wrote:Good question '78.

I wondered the same thing myself but didn't want to be the one to bring it up. Seems like we might have more depth on the interior D Line right now. Stinks that we are in a position to even think about having to do that but in my mind offensive line sustainability is paramount right now.

stafford · Unread post by **stafford** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:48 pm

Collmar isn't a converted DL. He made the switch from OL to DL because of injuries last season. He was recruited as an OL. He has gone from LG to RG in back-up duty the past few weeks but now looks to be a starter at RG. He is a real road grader type and is devastating when comboing with the Center to get the nose out of the way. He seemingly has a nasty streak in that he finishes blocks and if he gets a guy down he will continue to come down on him and maul him til the whistle.

As for the OL performance in the Troy game, a huge issue was the amount of time that Lamb held on to the ball. Whether it was indecision, or good coverage, he held on to the ball way too long too often.

ASUGoose · Unread post by **ASUGoose** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:57 pm

What's the deal with Malone and Greer that were red-shirt last year? Why aren't we utilizing those guys if we are thin right now due to injuries?

SpeedkingATL · Unread post by **SpeedkingATL** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:08 pm

If stAte is able to pressure App we might see the RB staying in protection more often or even some 2 back sets with more chipping of the DE or OLB. There is a way to help the OL. Taylor has to be quicker in his decision making if pressure is getting to him consistently. Fernandez is to valuable at DL to move IMO.

bojoWolf · Unread post by **bojoWolf** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:13 pm

OL has been a struggle in Jonesboro as well.

Last year when you came to town we were in our second C, 3rd LG, and 2nd RT. It's a struggle for most G5 teams to find a good 2-deep of OL. Any injury requires shuffling the entire mess around. Last year we had 6 guys, this year it's closer to 8-9. Hope the injuries don't derail your season like they did ours last year.

Looking forward to a good one Thursday night.

stafford · Unread post by **stafford** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:39 pm

There has to be more Alex Acey type O Lineman out there that no one wants to take a chance on. These 5'11" guys end up in D3 programs or are finished after HS because even the D2 schools want guys over 6 feet. I believe there are plenty of sub 6 footers who could probably fill one of the 5 OL spots on many D1 rosters or at least be capable back-ups at C/G.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 2:46 pm

ASUGoose wrote:What's the deal with Malone and Greer that were red-shirt last year? Why aren't we utilizing those guys if we are thin right now due to injuries?

They're both in the two-deep. If neither is starting Thursday, I would assume it means they simply aren't ready.

ASUGoose · Unread post by **ASUGoose** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:42 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:What's the deal with Malone and Greer that were red-shirt last year? Why aren't we utilizing those guys if we are thin right now due to injuries?
They're both in the two-deep. If neither is starting Thursday, I would assume it means they simply aren't ready.

If neither of those two are ready in comparison to moving guys from the Dline over to the Oline, we've got problems. I can understand if we have some true freshmen that have shown to be more ready than guys that have been in our system for over a year now, but that is still troubling as those two represent two thirds of the Oline from that recruiting class still on the roster. I'd expect that those guys should be ready by now but maybe I'm way off base here...

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 3:50 pm

ASUGoose wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:What's the deal with Malone and Greer that were red-shirt last year? Why aren't we utilizing those guys if we are thin right now due to injuries?
They're both in the two-deep. If neither is starting Thursday, I would assume it means they simply aren't ready.
If neither of those two are ready in comparison to moving guys from the Dline over to the Oline, we've got problems. I can understand if we have some true freshmen that have shown to be more ready than guys that have been in our system for over a year now, but that is still troubling as those two represent two thirds of the Oline from that recruiting class still on the roster. I'd expect that those guys should be ready by now but maybe I'm way off base here...

As stafford mentioned, the only guy who's been moved over from the DL is Jamie Collmar, and he was originally an OL until late last season anyway and is listed at both spots on the roster, so it's not really that drastic.

Ideally, yeah, one or more of the redshirt freshmen would be ready to play. But overall, it's pretty rare to be starting a RS freshman on the OL. They tend to take some time, especially with App's strategy of taking guys with long, relatively lean frames and bulking them up by 40 lbs or so.

We got a bit spoiled last year by two RS freshmen and a true soph starting and thriving.

All of which is to say - IMO, yes, I wish the guys from last year's class were further along. But it's probably too early to push the panic button on that class as a group.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:02 pm

EastHallApp wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:
ASUGoose wrote:What's the deal with Malone and Greer that were red-shirt last year? Why aren't we utilizing those guys if we are thin right now due to injuries?
They're both in the two-deep. If neither is starting Thursday, I would assume it means they simply aren't ready.
If neither of those two are ready in comparison to moving guys from the Dline over to the Oline, we've got problems. I can understand if we have some true freshmen that have shown to be more ready than guys that have been in our system for over a year now, but that is still troubling as those two represent two thirds of the Oline from that recruiting class still on the roster. I'd expect that those guys should be ready by now but maybe I'm way off base here...
As stafford mentioned, the only guy who's been moved over from the DL is Jamie Collmar, and he was originally an OL until late last season anyway and is listed at both spots on the roster, so it's not really that drastic.

Ideally, yeah, one or more of the redshirt freshmen would be ready to play. But overall, it's pretty rare to be starting a RS freshman on the OL. They tend to take some time, especially with App's strategy of taking guys with long, relatively lean frames and bulking them up by 40 lbs or so.

We got a bit spoiled last year by two RS freshmen and a true soph starting and thriving.

All of which is to say - IMO, yes, I wish the guys from last year's class were further along. But it's probably too early to push the panic button on that class as a group.

We made it happen last year. Understandably you can't legally put 40 lbs of muscle on a guy overnight but I would expect that each of them would be at a point by now that they can contribute at least at guard- unless they simply are not G5 O Line material. Not pushing the panic button either but man this is not good if we lose one guy- albeit a good one and the entire unit potentially drops this far. Like I said earlier, our coaching staff must hold it's collective breath every game when any O lineman hobbles, limps or has to come out.

EastHallApp · Unread post by **EastHallApp** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:30 pm

I don't disagree with you. Ultimately, though, I don't think guard is really the concern; RT is.

bigdaddyg · Unread post by **bigdaddyg** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 4:55 pm

EastHallApp wrote:I don't disagree with you. Ultimately, though, I don't think guard is really the concern; RT is.

Guess my point is that if you have to shuffle guys due to a tackle being out it seems more logical to move your best guard to tackle and then bringing in a guy at guard. I would think that guard would be "easier" to pick up on than tackle. I had raised the question last week of whether Gossett could move to tackle for the Troy game and evidently that is what we did.

TheMackAttack · Unread post by **TheMackAttack** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:18 pm

We've been unfortunate to get banged up at our two thinnest positions as is, OL and CB. I don't expect any of our freshman are bound to be difference makers this year. We'll see the same OL from last week Harris-Collins-Chapman-Collmar-Gossett start this week. I expect that if Harris, Gossett, or Collmar need to come out of the game for whatever reason, you'll see Malone get plugged in and if Collins or Chapman need to come out, Counts will play. Neither Greer nor Johnson seem ready to play in a game with this much at stake.

hotrod2001 · Unread post by **hotrod2001** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:38 pm

moehler wrote:one recruit that we lost last year was the OL that signed with FAU, exactly what we were looking for, 3 star, 6'5 280 extremely athletic, hardly any body fat, just a freak athlete. Anyway, he originally committed to FAU, but after making the trip to Boone, he decommitted from FAU, and committed to us. The kid was really excited about being a mountaineer, but unfortunately, his father was tight with the staff at FAU, and it appeared he had the final say on where his kid would play. I have no idea how he is doing at FAU, but we sure could use him right now.

At 2-6 maybe he should have went with his instincts over his daddy's wishes.

TheMackAttack · Unread post by **TheMackAttack** » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:41 pm

hotrod2001 wrote:
moehler wrote:one recruit that we lost last year was the OL that signed with FAU, exactly what we were looking for, 3 star, 6'5 280 extremely athletic, hardly any body fat, just a freak athlete. Anyway, he originally committed to FAU, but after making the trip to Boone, he decommitted from FAU, and committed to us. The kid was really excited about being a mountaineer, but unfortunately, his father was tight with the staff at FAU, and it appeared he had the final say on where his kid would play. I have no idea how he is doing at FAU, but we sure could use him right now.
At 2-6 maybe he should have went with his instincts over his daddy's wishes.

It was pretty clear that this is where he wanted to go, but his parents were close with the staff and I can't ever fault a kid for sticking with his commitment. He gave his word and he kept it, even if it wavered a bit along the way. We sure could have used his help though.

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