NC FBS Standings -- Who Is On Top?

[EastHallApp]

Some people having some fun on this thread...

UNC was the best team in the state this year by a wide margin. But App would have been able to compete on more or less even terms against any of the rest.

Yes, I am having fun. And, not only that, I completely disagree with you.

We would kick some Tarheel butt this year. But, they won't play us. Too bad.

Are they skeered?

You are certainly right that they seem to want no part of App. So we'll never know, at least for this year.

I won't guess a score if they played us, but I will say they would have boat-raced every team on our schedule minus Clemson. Their offense is sort of like A-State's, but with better players at every position.

[AppDawg]

Some people having some fun on this thread...

UNC was the best team in the state this year by a wide margin. But App would have been able to compete on more or less even terms against any of the rest.

Just curious, what makes you say by a wide margin? They lost to a very bad South Carolina as well as the only 2 legit opponents they played - clemson and baylor. Yes, Duke was ranked when UNC played them but they hadn't beat anyone with a winning record - and If I recall correctly Duke's win over VT was while VTs QB was still out.

UNC got where they were this year by beating up on bad football teams (inluding 2 FCS). That was evidenced in them not even sniffing the top 4 prior to the ACC championship. Further, their rankings only increased as the year went on and it looked likely they would be in the ACC championship - ESPN can't let a P5 champion not be in the top 15. Thats sacrilege.

I would have liked to see us line up against them this year. I like others here, do not think it would have been a blow out - rather more along the lines of our games with ECU.

If Clemson and Baylor were "the only two legit opponents they played," then which of App's opponents were "legit"?

Clemson and Georgia Southern.

[JTApps1]

Some people having some fun on this thread...

UNC was the best team in the state this year by a wide margin. But App would have been able to compete on more or less even terms against any of the rest.

Just curious, what makes you say by a wide margin? They lost to a very bad South Carolina as well as the only 2 legit opponents they played - clemson and baylor. Yes, Duke was ranked when UNC played them but they hadn't beat anyone with a winning record - and If I recall correctly Duke's win over VT was while VTs QB was still out.

UNC got where they were this year by beating up on bad football teams (inluding 2 FCS). That was evidenced in them not even sniffing the top 4 prior to the ACC championship. Further, their rankings only increased as the year went on and it looked likely they would be in the ACC championship - ESPN can't let a P5 champion not be in the top 15. Thats sacrilege.

I would have liked to see us line up against them this year. I like others here, do not think it would have been a blow out - rather more along the lines of our games with ECU.

I do think the Holes would have beaten us more times than not this year, but I don't think they would have won by a wide margin. Had Clemson not shot themselves in the foot multiple times they would have worn out UNC-CHeat. Baylor was missing 6 offensive starters that accounted for over 6,000 yards and 70 TD's this year, and they were still able to set a bowl record for rushing yards on the Heels.

The best thing about all this is this was arguably their best year ever, and there still wasn't a huge gap between them and us. We're still playing a roster full of guys that were recruited to play in the SoCon. I doubt the Heels will ever want to play us knowing we are a football school while they just dabble in it. Fedora won't stick around for long if he has another good season.

[kiddbrewer]

ESPN can't let a P5 champion not be in the top 15. Thats sacrilege.

What? ESPN controls the polls too? Sounds like you've been hitting that eggnog a little too often.

[EastHallApp]

If Clemson and Baylor were "the only two legit opponents they played," then which of App's opponents were "legit"?

Clemson and Georgia Southern.

If GS counts, then so do Miami, Pitt, Duke and State, at the least (and A-State, for that matter). Otherwise we're grading on a curve. Honestly I think UVa, Ga. Tech and Illinois would have been on par with the better Sun Belt teams as well. Might be forgetting one, but I can't recall the Belt beating a single P5 opponent this year, and most of the games weren't close.

[TheMoody1]

The Holes lost to SC who lost to Citadel. App would have competed well with them.

[WVAPPeer]

Take away FSU and Clemson and over the last several years the ACC is clearly the weakest of the P5 conferences ---

[AppDawg]

If Clemson and Baylor were "the only two legit opponents they played," then which of App's opponents were "legit"?

Clemson and Georgia Southern.

If GS counts, then so do Miami, Pitt, Duke and State, at the least (and A-State, for that matter). Otherwise we're grading on a curve. Honestly I think UVa, Ga. Tech and Illinois would have been on par with the better Sun Belt teams as well. Might be forgetting one, but I can't recall the Belt beating a single P5 opponent this year, and most of the games weren't close.

- Pitt beat Duke and Akron.
- Miami beat Duke and Pitt
- Duke and NCSU beat no one that ended the season with a winning record.
- Pitt is the only one of these 5 (including UNC) that also played Notre Dame this year too.

The only thing going for the ACC this year is they are P5. Otherwise they put lipstick on a pig, outside of Clemson.

Georgia Southern, took a bad UGA to OT with "socon" recruits and absolutely obliterated the MAC champion and beat W. Michigan soundly.

[CharleyHustle]

Let me add a little sanity to this discussion. I love the Mountaineers and see all the home games and most of the others. But lets be honest here. Baylor beat the heels because they are bigger on both lines and have superior speed. If we faced the Heels we would face the same obstacles. Their offense would have its way with ASU, and we would have a little success against their average defense because of their superior size and speed. Remember the difficulty we had against Ohio's larger defensive line. The Sun Belt is not now and never will be the ACC. Why can't we as fans be realistic and enjoy what was probably, all things considered, the best year in Mountaineer football history. On our level, we are simply fantastic, and chances are we will get even better! Go Apps!!!!

PS. I don't understand all the Tar Heel hate on this board. Check out the Carolina board and feel all the love they give the Mountaineers.

[EastHallApp]

If Clemson and Baylor were "the only two legit opponents they played," then which of App's opponents were "legit"?

Clemson and Georgia Southern.

If GS counts, then so do Miami, Pitt, Duke and State, at the least (and A-State, for that matter). Otherwise we're grading on a curve. Honestly I think UVa, Ga. Tech and Illinois would have been on par with the better Sun Belt teams as well. Might be forgetting one, but I can't recall the Belt beating a single P5 opponent this year, and most of the games weren't close.

- Pitt beat Duke and Akron.
- Miami beat Duke and Pitt
- Duke and NCSU beat no one that ended the season with a winning record.
- Pitt is the only one of these 5 (including UNC) that also played Notre Dame this year too.

The only thing going for the ACC this year is they are P5. Otherwise they put lipstick on a pig, outside of Clemson.

Georgia Southern, took a bad UGA to OT with "socon" recruits and absolutely obliterated the MAC champion and beat W. Michigan soundly.

Southern also lost to 7-5 WVU 44-0 and 6-7 Ga. State 34-7. And State (a 3-5 ACC team) beat USA and Troy (two 3-5 Sun Belt teams that gave us all we wanted and more) by 50 and 28, respectively. Can't just cherry-pick the results that support your point.

Bottom line is that, mediocre as the ACC may be, it's still far better than the Sun Belt top to bottom.

[TheMackAttack]

We'd lose pretty soundly to UNC but have a good chance against the others. Crush UNC-Concord.

Do huh? Did you see how Baylor ran against the Heels? And, they only ran because their 5th string QB was hurtin' (& their top 4 QBs were out). To me, their run game looked suspiciously similar (like to App's).

Based on what I saw last night, App vs. UNC might result in a similar score to the bowl game; I'd say 59 - 32 App.

There's no way we'd score 59 on UNC. Regardless of how poorly they did defending the run, our offensive line was held together by scotch tape during our bowl game. UNC would've beat us by two touchdowns. We had a great season and we're building a tremendous program, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

[AppDawg]

If Clemson and Baylor were "the only two legit opponents they played," then which of App's opponents were "legit"?

Clemson and Georgia Southern.

If GS counts, then so do Miami, Pitt, Duke and State, at the least (and A-State, for that matter). Otherwise we're grading on a curve. Honestly I think UVa, Ga. Tech and Illinois would have been on par with the better Sun Belt teams as well. Might be forgetting one, but I can't recall the Belt beating a single P5 opponent this year, and most of the games weren't close.

- Pitt beat Duke and Akron.
- Miami beat Duke and Pitt
- Duke and NCSU beat no one that ended the season with a winning record.
- Pitt is the only one of these 5 (including UNC) that also played Notre Dame this year too.

The only thing going for the ACC this year is they are P5. Otherwise they put lipstick on a pig, outside of Clemson.

Georgia Southern, took a bad UGA to OT with "socon" recruits and absolutely obliterated the MAC champion and beat W. Michigan soundly.

Southern also lost to 7-5 WVU 44-0 and 6-7 Ga. State 34-7. And State (a 3-5 ACC team) beat USA and Troy (two 3-5 Sun Belt teams that gave us all we wanted and more) by 50 and 28, respectively. Can't just cherry-pick the results that support your point.

Bottom line is that, mediocre as the ACC may be, it's still far better than the Sun Belt top to bottom.

State played Troy and USA in their first 3 or 4 games of the season. A better comparison is the ODU game. We beat ODU 49-0 one week after NCSU beat them just 38-14. Cherry picking goes both ways.

Look, I am not saying we would beat UNC if we lined it up. However, I am saying I don't think they and many of the teams in the 2015 ACC field are a "wide margin" better than our healthy 2015 squad.

[Gonzo]

The ACC Coastal is almost as weak as the Belt in 2015.

Let's also not forget the fact that we beat every OOC team we played besides the potential Champs Clemson. We played half of NC State's schedule, albeit the easier half.

The Holes aren't worlds ahead of us in SOS anymore. As weak as their rushing defend looked the other day, I'd take Marcus Cox and the Apps to give the Tar Holes all they could handle in December 2015.

[Appftw]

We were double digit dogs against quite a few Sun Belt teams last year too and we all know how that turned out. I honestly think we'd be decent in the ACC. Average probably. Our lack of depth would be more apparent sure, but depth almost got us this year and we gutted it out.


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[JTApps1]

Let me add a little sanity to this discussion. I love the Mountaineers and see all the home games and most of the others. But lets be honest here. Baylor beat the heels because they are bigger on both lines and have superior speed. If we faced the Heels we would face the same obstacles. Their offense would have its way with ASU, and we would have a little success against their average defense because of their superior size and speed. Remember the difficulty we had against Ohio's larger defensive line. The Sun Belt is not now and never will be the ACC. Why can't we as fans be realistic and enjoy what was probably, all things considered, the best year in Mountaineer football history. On our level, we are simply fantastic, and chances are we will get even better! Go Apps!!!!

PS. I don't understand all the Tar Heel hate on this board. Check out the Carolina board and feel all the love they give the Mountaineers.

Difficulty with the Ohio DL? We ran for 303 yards (ave. 6.2) despite being short two starters. I'll take that any game.

As far as the UNC-CH goes I've already said they would beat us more times than not, but they are not as good as people in NC want to think. Baylor destroyed their D with 6 players out that accounted for most of their offense this year. We are not ready to play any P5 schedule, but lets not act like the majority of the ACC teams are all that great or played that difficult of a schedule.

[WVAPPeer]

*** "Difficulty with the Ohio DL? We ran for 303 yards (ave. 6.2) despite being short two starters. I'll take that any game.

As far as the UNC-CH goes I've already said they would beat us more times than not, but they are not as good as people in NC want to think. Baylor destroyed their D with 6 players out that accounted for most of their offense this year. We are not ready to play any P5 schedule, but lets not act like the majority of the ACC teams are all that great or played that difficult of a schedule." ***

JT I was thinking the same thing when I read that line - Our OL and DL/LB dominated that game - As you mentioned we had over 300 yds rushing to their 107 - 425 yds total offense to their 270 --- they scored 16 points without our defense even on the field and 23 directly off turnovers - I agree with you, we could beat some ACC teams (including UNC) but yeah they clearly have bigger, faster, stronger players - that of course doesn't measure heart and desire - None of us who have been around for awhile think for a minute we could at this point play an ACC schedule and have the same results but to say flatly we wouldn't have a chance against UNC - NCSU - VT etc., is hard to fathom from an APP fan ???

[firemoose]

Speaking of all this. Talking about opening the twitter floodgates. Believe me this has done it. Having a hard time searching due to all the replies and re-tweets from other schools fans, especially UNC and State. They are jumping all over this.

[JTApps1]

Speaking of all this. Talking about opening the twitter floodgates. Believe me this has done it. Having a hard time searching due to all the replies and re-tweets from other schools fans, especially UNC and State. They are jumping all over this.

I think it's hilarious that Wake isn't even on there.

[firemoose]

Yeah...I laughed at that too JT. Found room for our buddies near the Queen City though...

[AppDawg]

Speaking of all this. Talking about opening the twitter floodgates. Believe me this has done it. Having a hard time searching due to all the replies and re-tweets from other schools fans, especially UNC and State. They are jumping all over this.

Simply Awesome!

for those that do not live in Raleigh or just not aware, NCSU has had a multi-season marketing campaign based on "making a STATEment"

Hilarious!