The cancer on this program is

[CharlotteApp05]

1993 & 2013 are the only losing seasons in the last 40 years (And one of those was during our transitional year).

In the last 30 years, we have had 2 non winning seasons. (2013 was a transition year) and the other was under Clark.

So I see the stats above and raise you: The only 2 eligible non winning seasons in the last 30 years are going to be under Clark.

[RaleighApp27609]

The cancer on the program is "The what have you done for me lately" mindset that so many have - It is totally transactional. As far as I can see or remember the only real negative I have heard issued is the W-L record.
*** App State is one of only five Group of Five
programs (and 14 FBS programs) in the country with at least three
nine-win seasons since the start of 2020.
***3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison
*** No losing seasons
*** Division Champions 2 of last 3 years

This season is not what we had hoped for but who can honestly tell me (not thinking with your heart but your brain) they actually believed we had the talent to make the playoffs - if so, please explain, because I didn't see it.

Now, since I have not read any others reasons to fire Coach Clark other than his W-L records I'm not sure anyone could present this information to a unbiased party and convince them to fire Coach Clark. If there are other reasons other than W-L , such as poor academics, off the field problems, Coach Clark or any on his staff pulling a Bobby Petrino, player arrests, lack of respect for the University they are representing, etc., please let us know ---

"3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN"....Not this year

"No losing seasons" ....That streak ends this season. By the way, 2022 we went 6-6...two of those wins were against FCS competition.

"Division Champions 2 of last 3 years"....Last year doesn't count as JMU was ranked ahead of us in the division. If we're being honest with ourselves it should say division champions 1 of last 5 years (including 2024) with Clark leading the program.

[AppSt91]

The cancer on the program is "The what have you done for me lately" mindset that so many have - It is totally transactional. As far as I can see or remember the only real negative I have heard issued is the W-L record.
*** App State is one of only five Group of Five
programs (and 14 FBS programs) in the country with at least three
nine-win seasons since the start of 2020.
***3 STRAIGHT YEARS WITH A RANKED WIN
2021: 30-27 vs. #14 Coastal Carolina
2022: 17-14 at #6 Texas A&M
2023: 26-23 (OT) at #18 James Madison
*** No losing seasons
*** Division Champions 2 of last 3 years

This season is not what we had hoped for but who can honestly tell me (not thinking with your heart but your brain) they actually believed we had the talent to make the playoffs - if so, please explain, because I didn't see it.

Now, since I have not read any others reasons to fire Coach Clark other than his W-L records I'm not sure anyone could present this information to a unbiased party and convince them to fire Coach Clark. If there are other reasons other than W-L , such as poor academics, off the field problems, Coach Clark or any on his staff pulling a Bobby Petrino, player arrests, lack of respect for the University they are representing, etc., please let us know ---

Mark Ricks, is that you?

[WVAPPeer]

Still no other reason than W-L?

[CharlotteApp05]

W/L is how the program is graded?

I am supportive of Clark as a human. I don’t think he’s a cancer…. Probably a really bad thread title. Maybe just should be, who is someone that can most impact the wins/losses of our team?

Is that what you are driving towards? He’s a good dude. I have no idea what our graduation rate is and how transfer portal etc has impacted academic success. I honestly have no idea if the culture is good/bad. I know they are probably galvanized behind WNC/ Helene. I don’t know the future attendance numbers if we keep losing or who will/wont schedule us based on that.

But yeah I want to have a real conversation about how to change the trajectory of our program and wins and losses are the foundation of that discussion.

[BallantyneApp]

Still no other reason than W-L?

So you think Neal brown is doing a great job at WVU? No scandals and he seems like a great guy with a family.

[RaleighApp27609]

W/L isn't the only factor in grading a coach but it is the most important. I feel like with our obvious downward trajectory as a program, some on here are now grasping for any reason at this point to argue for Clark staying.

[Saint3333]

WV if we finish 2-9 this season would you be in favor of moving to the next HC?

[WVAPPeer]

2-9 would be tough to overcome - sure I am in favor of Coach Clark remaining the head coach - And as another asked - No, I'm not looking for anyone to tell me what I want to hear - the info in my post are facts, not opinions - Again, what other reasons than W-L? - Yes, I understand that is very important but downward trajectory of the program is opinion based, - hard to say it's a downward trend when last season we were division champs and won another bowl game

[Saint3333]

If the trend isn’t downward what evidence is there it’s upward?

Would have loved for Clark to have been successful, but the evidence otherwise continues to mount.

[bcoach]

The economy is great.

We don't need an interim head coach because if he wins we have to deal with letting him go as well.

We need to hire a head coach and let him bring who he wants.

We vwere talking about the US economy.

[Bigdaddyg1]

2-9 would be tough to overcome - sure I am in favor of Coach Clark remaining the head coach - And as another asked - No, I'm not looking for anyone to tell me what I want to hear - the info in my post are facts, not opinions - Again, what other reasons than W-L? - Yes, I understand that is very important but downward trajectory of the program is opinion based, - hard to say it's a downward trend when last season we were division champs and won another bowl game

I asked a simple question a couple of years ago- what would happen if god forbid we didn’t win 10 games and went like 8-4. Many level headed fans said it would be a meltdown and probably 5 threads support the answer. A few on here throw around very subjective words or phrases to describe what they think is the culture or expectations for App State football. There seems to be a strange unrealistic perception and expectation that we are supposed to be a dominant program based on some recent success mostly in a watered down Sunbelt. We are now firmly in a strong conference with schools who put the exact same effort into competing that we do. There also seemed to be a perception that our 2024 roster was so loaded that we should compete for a playoff spot- while completely ignoring the fact that we had to rebuild both lines and replace a lot of defense. I’m with you please someone supply a reason other than wins and losses for a coaching change.

[RaleighApp27609]

2-9 would be tough to overcome - sure I am in favor of Coach Clark remaining the head coach - And as another asked - No, I'm not looking for anyone to tell me what I want to hear - the info in my post are facts, not opinions - Again, what other reasons than W-L? - Yes, I understand that is very important but downward trajectory of the program is opinion based, - hard to say it's a downward trend when last season we were division champs and won another bowl game

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I’m with you please someone supply a reason other than wins and losses for a coaching change.

Taking your argument to the extreme: it sounds like you would be in favor of keeping a coach that goes winless but graduated all his players and they stayed out of trouble off the field.

[Saint3333]

What metric is more important than wins and losses in sports?

The narrative that 2024 was the year was spread by the staff and anyone that would listen. That includes SBC coaches and media.

We returned coaches, and more players than most in the conference.

To pretend we weren’t supposed to challenge for an SBC title now is disingenuous.

To pretend we are at a disadvantage to SBC schools is also intellectually dishonest.

We have underperformed by all accounts this season and very much so by the standards stated by this staff.

Glad we have a bye week, saw more fight last night than any game this year. Would have loved to seen that from game 1 on.

[T-Dog]

The headline of the Black and Gold newsletter sent out to alums in the preseason was UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[appst89]

Have we really fallen to the point that people are actually making the argument that wins don’t matter?

[BallantyneApp]

Have we really fallen to the point that people are actually making the argument that wins don’t matter?

yes.

Also we have people arguing that ULM and South Alabama have access to resources that App doesn't

[JTApps1]

The headline of the Black and Gold newsletter sent out to alums in the preseason was UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

That was the 1996 schedule poster headline as well. That season didn't go much better.

[appgrad95&97]

Have we really fallen to the point that people are actually making the argument that wins don’t matter?

Wasn't that the message from the Trustees' Chair?

[AppinVA]

Have we really fallen to the point that people are actually making the argument that wins don’t matter?

Some of us have fall-back teams.