Jerry Moore will not return

[goapps93]

Charlie Cobb, ASU’s athletics director, said Sunday that he and Moore sat down and that they came to the decision after the conclusion of the 2011 season that the 2012 season would be Moore’s final one at ASU.

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

--Winston-Salem Journal (Tommy Bowman)

Why not good? That statement doesn't change anything that Cobb said. Coach didn't have to tell Cobb it was last season, he was told it would be his last season. Folks, there have been issues the past few seasons that needed to be addressed and it's becoming obvious to me that pretty much all of them were addressed at the end of last season including this season being Coach Moore's last. This has been hashed and rehashed already and will probably continue to be until we come to the realization that it has happened and we need to move on. Nothing we discuss here will cause Coach Moore to be brought back on as head coach. He also stated in that story that he dosen't won't to offend anybody, there aren't any big, big issues and he doesn't want to start any. I'd suggest some of us follow his lead.

[TheMoody1]

".... I’ve got one thing I want to do and that’s coach.”


Is Coach Moore tring to gain support to get re-hired? I can't imagine he would go coach anywhere else but you never know.

[9Steelman]

Chipper Jones and the Atlanta Braves did it right!! Announced a year ahead what was going to happen. All the players, future players, coaches, fans, supporters, sports media, opposing teams, etc. all knew the plan. They all milked it for all it was worth, ticket sales, TV exposure, and honoring a gem at the professional sports level, a sure first vote hall of fame member. (Did Bobby Cox retirement the same way). Imagine the last home regular season game with Coach Moore, we are 8-3, beautiful day , playoffs on the horizon, would have been 30-35 thousand all staying to the end cheering loudly with a tear in their eye. Would that have not been a great kickoff to the next year with donations, tickets sales, recruiting, momentum, and hundreds applying for the job. Whether deserved or not next year has a dark cloud hanging around what surely should be a great team at whatever level??? These are just my ideas from being an App grad with 45 years of business experience in ownership, sales, marketing, and making the best out of every opportunity. I knew Coach Moore last year was going to be 2012 or 2013, wished he could have retire with a blaze of glorry, but it did not quite happen that way. We must go on with what we have. I am still an APP no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ASUTodd]

Chipper Jones and the Atlanta Braves did it right!! Announced a year ahead what was going to happen. All the players, future players, coaches, fans, supporters, sports media, opposing teams, etc. all knew the plan. They all milked it for all it was worth, ticket sales, TV exposure, and honoring a gem at the professional sports level, a sure first vote hall of fame member. (Did Bobby Cox retirement the same way). Imagine the last home regular season game with Coach Moore, we are 8-3, beautiful day , playoffs on the horizon, would have been 30-35 thousand all staying to the end cheering loudly with a tear in their eye. Would that have not been a great kickoff to the next year with donations, tickets sales, recruiting, momentum, and hundreds applying for the job. Whether deserved or not next year has a dark cloud hanging around what surely should be a great team at whatever level??? These are just my ideas from being an App grad with 45 years of business experience in ownership, sales, marketing, and making the best out of every opportunity. I knew Coach Moore last year was going to be 2012 or 2013, wished he could have retire with a blaze of glorry, but it did not quite happen that way. We must go on with what we have. I am still an APP no matter what!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you not think that this option was not given to JM? He , by his own admission, would not accept their terms of "retiring". His contract was up, he's got age on him, football program has slipped a bit and we are looking to go FBS. It was time for him to go but love of ASU , football and (yes) even ego......wouldn't let him walk away.

[appthunder90]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

The missing piece had been hearing from Coach Moore. Now that we have, it's not going to get any better. Our fanbase is already split and I think this insures that split will remain.

ftr this confirms the 'turmoil' i thought we might be in for

[goapps93]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

The missing piece had been hearing from Coach Moore. Now that we have, it's not going to get any better. Our fanbase is already split and I think this insures that split will remain.

ftr this confirms the 'turmoil' i thought we might be in for

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”[/i]


And I'd say this confirms Coach Moore doesn't want there to be any turmoil.

[appthunder90]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

The missing piece had been hearing from Coach Moore. Now that we have, it's not going to get any better. Our fanbase is already split and I think this insures that split will remain.

ftr this confirms the 'turmoil' i thought we might be in for

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”[/i]


And I'd say this confirms Coach Moore doesn't want there to be any turmoil.

I agree. However, I think the turmoil will be fan-driven it. We already see how divided this board has become over this issue. With this seeing the light of day I don't foresee it getting any better

[T-Dog]

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”[/i]


And I'd say this confirms Coach Moore doesn't want there to be any turmoil.

It's not working.

[appbio91]

It sounds like all this "sports journalist" did was read this message board. He interviewed no one and presented no new information. If Tommy Bowman wrote something like this his opinion would carry way more weight than this guy.

is this better??? here's some "new" information from the coach directly.
http://www.journalnow.com/sports/asu/ap ... 0f31a.html

The missing piece had been hearing from Coach Moore. Now that we have, it's not going to get any better. Our fanbase is already split and I think this insures that split will remain.

ftr this confirms the 'turmoil' i thought we might be in for

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

He added: “I don’t won’t to offend anybody. There’s not any big, big issues. It was a communication thing between Charlie and I… and I don’t want to cause any issues now.”[/i]


And I'd say this confirms Coach Moore doesn't want there to be any turmoil.

I have a friend who was a coach at UNCC for 20+ years and a similar thing happened to him. He was told it is time to go and you have the choice for it to be reported as a retirement. He told the AD to hell with you this is a firing, report it as such. I can guarantee you Jerry had the same conversation with Cobb and right now he feels betrayed and cheated. He loves ASU so I am sure this will not get publicly dirty. But make no mistake he is an unhappy Mountaineer right now and if asked he will not pretend it was his idea to go.

[GlassOnion]

Everyone knows darn well that Charlie Cobb and Dr Peacock in a room alone with Jerry Moore, TOLD Jerry that he could either be fired last year because of the huge mess, or retire after this season on condition of his son leaving and Satterfield taking a big part. It was supposed to be last season, but JM fanangle another year out of them cause Cobb and Peacock are good people, trying to do the right thing. JM KNEW that this was supposed to be the last. Now JM may have not agreed with 100% of the deal, but HE TOOK THE DEAL THAT WAS OFFERED, OTHERWISE HE'D HAVE BEEN GONE LAST YEAR. He thought he could win enough and twist enough arms to get back this year, and get out of his half of the bargain.

The deliberately chosen words in that interview, are meant to imply he was blindsided. If he hadnt agreed he'd have already been gone!

Im starting to lose alot of respect for him.

[Appersrule]

Well I lost all respect for Peacock and Cobb for trying to paint a different picture than the real story and tried to hide between a poorly worded press release.

[Appsolutely]

Charlie Cobb, ASU’s athletics director, said Sunday that he and Moore sat down and that they came to the decision after the conclusion of the 2011 season that the 2012 season would be Moore’s final one at ASU.

Moore said that he didn’t agree that this past season would be his last season, and that he had expressed his desire to coach another year.

“I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

--Winston-Salem Journal (Tommy Bowman)

Why not good? That statement doesn't change anything that Cobb said. Coach didn't have to tell Cobb it was last season, he was told it would be his last season. Folks, there have been issues the past few seasons that needed to be addressed and it's becoming obvious to me that pretty much all of them were addressed at the end of last season including this season being Coach Moore's last. This has been hashed and rehashed already and will probably continue to be until we come to the realization that it has happened and we need to move on. Nothing we discuss here will cause Coach Moore to be brought back on as head coach. He also stated in that story that he dosen't won't to offend anybody, there aren't any big, big issues and he doesn't want to start any. I'd suggest some of us follow his lead.

Look, I'm ready to move on as much as anybody, but Moore's comments don't help this situation. I believe Cobb has indicated that "they" had a meeting last year and that "they" came to an understanding/agreement, whatever. Obviously, there was no AGREEMENT between the two that this would be Moore's last year or somebody is being inaccurate about what really transpired at that meeting.

[JCline0429]

"I know I never told him this would be my last season,” Moore said.

However, this does not mean CC did not inform him that it would be.

I think most would agree that that is the way it came down..Charlie informing him.

[JCline0429]

Its pretty clear from this article that he was told by KP and CC that he had one year left then walk away and JM never accepted it.

Did he have a choice?

[GlassOnion]

Well I lost all respect for Peacock and Cobb for trying to paint a different picture than the real story and tried to hide between a poorly worded press release.

They were trying to save Jerry Moores reputation, instead of firing him publicly for losing control of the program, paying his son an insane amount of money, his sons own antics, and other failures on and off the field, such as not recruiting for 2 years, and his staff having arguments and not being able to even get a play called to the QB in the middle of the game.

Perhaps they should just list all of the reasons, and let JMs reputation absorb the impact, instead of the entire program, because these peeons that dont even follow App football are creating a stir without even knowing whats been going on.

[JCline0429]

Well I lost all respect for Peacock and Cobb for trying to paint a different picture than the real story and tried to hide between a poorly worded press release.

They were trying to save Jerry Moores reputation, instead of firing him publicly for losing control of the program, paying his son an insane amount of money, his sons own antics, and other failures on and off the field, such as not recruiting for 2 years, and his staff having arguments and not being able to even get a play called to the QB in the middle of the game.

Perhaps they should just list all of the reasons, and let JMs reputation absorb the impact, instead of the entire program, because these peeons that dont even follow App football are creating a stir without even knowing whats been going on.

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't an insane amount of money compared to the mostly new staff mambers based on experience.

[appbio91]

Everyone knows darn well that Charlie Cobb and Dr Peacock in a room alone with Jerry Moore, TOLD Jerry that he could either be fired last year because of the huge mess, or retire after this season on condition of his son leaving and Satterfield taking a big part. It was supposed to be last season, but JM fanangle another year out of them cause Cobb and Peacock are good people, trying to do the right thing. JM KNEW that this was supposed to be the last. Now JM may have not agreed with 100% of the deal, but HE TOOK THE DEAL THAT WAS OFFERED, OTHERWISE HE'D HAVE BEEN GONE LAST YEAR. He thought he could win enough and twist enough arms to get back this year, and get out of his half of the bargain.

The deliberately chosen words in that interview, are meant to imply he was blindsided. If he hadnt agreed he'd have already been gone!

Im starting to lose alot of respect for him.

The point is that it was presented as something other than a firing. Cobb and Peacock should have the balls to call it what it was; a firing. If you were fired tomorrow and told, we like you so you can stay another year, what would you do. If you were 73 years old you would stay and try to redeem yourself probably. Coach Moore has a right to be pissed. HE WAS FIRED.
Whether it was time for him to go is another topic. It was time. It is just very unfortunate that he did not get to dictate the terms.

[appst89]

Well I lost all respect for Peacock and Cobb for trying to paint a different picture than the real story and tried to hide between a poorly worded press release.

They were trying to save Jerry Moores reputation, instead of firing him publicly for losing control of the program, paying his son an insane amount of money, his sons own antics, and other failures on and off the field, such as not recruiting for 2 years, and his staff having arguments and not being able to even get a play called to the QB in the middle of the game.

Perhaps they should just list all of the reasons, and let JMs reputation absorb the impact, instead of the entire program, because these peeons that dont even follow App football are creating a stir without even knowing whats been going on.

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't out of line with the rest based on experience.

His son was the second highest paid coach on the staff, and he rose to that level very quickly, passing some other folks along the way.

[GlassOnion]

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't out of line with the rest based on experience.

What experience? He's never worked anywhere else, he skated along behind Elliots ALL-American OLs as a RBs coach, and was one of the highest paid coaches on staff.

If he was so great a coach to be paid so much, at what prestigious institution is he currently coaching at?

[JCline0429]

His son should have been let go, but as to the salary, someone on here posted the staff's salaries and his wasn't out of line with the rest based on experience.

What experience? He's never worked anywhere else, he skated along behind Elliots ALL-American OLs as a RBs coach, and was one of the highest paid coaches on staff.

If he was so great a coach to be paid so much, at what prestigious institution is he currently coaching at?

What difference does it make where he got his experience? I wonder how much CC's wife is making coaching women's soccer. I have said I agree with Jr being fired but to say he made an insane amount of money. None of them, including Jerry, made an insane amount of money.