UNC game discussion

[AppStateNews]

I'm wondering if Jolly will shadow Downs since we seem to have both corners play boundary and field. That would necessitate a plan for when he motions. I also wonder if Downs is good enough to have to put our best cover guy on him. LBs need to be ready for tight ends. Longo likes to use them. I hope we start doing more of that too.

Considering Jolly is in the NFL right now, probably not.

We'll probably guard Downs like we guarded Tolbert at South Alabama the past few years. Don't let him beat us deep.

[goapps93]

I'm wondering if Jolly Jones, Jr. will shadow Downs since we seem to have both corners play boundary and field. That would necessitate a plan for when he motions. I also wonder if Downs is good enough to have to put our best cover guy on him. LBs need to be ready for tight ends. Longo likes to use them. I hope we start doing more of that too.

Considering Jolly is in the NFL right now, probably not.

We'll probably guard Downs like we guessed Tolbert at South Alabama the past few years. Don't let him beat us deep.

I meant Jones, Jr. My typing got ahead of my brain.

[AppSt94]

I'm wondering if Jolly will shadow Downs since we seem to have both corners play boundary and field. That would necessitate a plan for when he motions. I also wonder if Downs is good enough to have to put our best cover guy on him. LBs need to be ready for tight ends. Longo likes to use them. I hope we start doing more of that too.

Considering Jolly is in the NFL right now, probably not.

We'll probably guard Downs like we guessed Tolbert at South Alabama the past few years. Don't let him beat us deep.

I agree. One interesting thing about Downs downfield threat is that he is somewhat frustrated with Maye not being able to hit him in stride. He was visibly upset with Maye on an under thrown ball Saturday.

I think if anyone is going to shadow Downs, it will be Lawson.

[AppStateNews]

I'm wondering if Jolly will shadow Downs since we seem to have both corners play boundary and field. That would necessitate a plan for when he motions. I also wonder if Downs is good enough to have to put our best cover guy on him. LBs need to be ready for tight ends. Longo likes to use them. I hope we start doing more of that too.

Considering Jolly is in the NFL right now, probably not.

We'll probably guard Downs like we guessed Tolbert at South Alabama the past few years. Don't let him beat us deep.

I agree. One interesting thing about Downs downfield threat is that he is somewhat frustrated with Maye not being able to hit him in stride. He was visibly upset with Maye on an under thrown ball Saturday.

I think if anyone is going to shadow Downs, it will be Lawson.

I highly doubt we shadow anybody. We haven't done that in years. That's what makes our scheme so good. We can disguise coverages and blitzes better than most since we don't tip anything off pre snap.

[BambooRdApp]

We didn't shadow any WKY WRs that is for sure

[Howard Street Hooligan]

go watch their tapes. Criswell is bigger, but can move well and has a cannon for an arm. Burger looks solid so far but I'll take those attributes and everyone around the UNC program saying he's insanely gifted. Not saying he's Heisman, but he'll go somewhere else and start for a good P5 team. We should be looking hard at him, imo.

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

any idea where the added bleachers are going to be placed for the game?

[BallantyneApp]

go watch their tapes. Criswell is bigger, but can move well and has a cannon for an arm. Burger looks solid so far but I'll take those attributes and everyone around the UNC program saying he's insanely gifted. Not saying he's Heisman, but he'll go somewhere else and start for a good P5 team. We should be looking hard at him, imo.

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

i'll trust our coaches over somebodies high school tape. Criswell just lost out to a true freshman. UNCCs backup qb was "the next big thing at TAMU" , transferred down to UNCC and did not look good against a CUSA defense.

[Rekdiver]

any idea where the added bleachers are going to be placed for the game?

Underneath the NEZ

[Rick83]

any idea where the added bleachers are going to be placed for the game?

In front of the NEZ seats:

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[AppStateNews]

go watch their tapes. Criswell is bigger, but can move well and has a cannon for an arm. Burger looks solid so far but I'll take those attributes and everyone around the UNC program saying he's insanely gifted. Not saying he's Heisman, but he'll go somewhere else and start for a good P5 team. We should be looking hard at him, imo.

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

You're right, I don't know for a fact. But considering I played for some of this staff, I have some insight others don't.

We will still recruit at least 1 QB every year. The difference is the staff doesn't feel the need to bring in a transfer in the next recruiting class like they did the previous two. We can get back to recruiting at the high school level for QBs now.

They brought in McBride as a just in case Burger didn't pan out like they thought he would (and God forbid injuries). Burger panned out better than they thought he would so he already passed McBride on the depth chart.

Bottom line -- we've missed on majority of our HS QB recruits recently. With Burger, we've hit the jackpot. He's developing faster than anticipated. One coach told me last week if Burger had to start, they would feel just as comfortable winning. And remember, this is a coach I played for and have a relationship with. It's not just coach speak.

They do plan on redshirting him if possible to have him as a 4 year starter after Brice.

So again, I can't guarantee they won't go after Criswell. What I can guarantee is if they do, he will be told Burger is the front runner and Criswell will have to be basically perfect to surpass him.

[BambooRdApp]

I used to not have this mentality...with transfer portal changing landscape....overall I trust our coaches....if they believe in the young No. 2, awesome..with that said, they should be looking at portal options when a kid comes available... whether UNC backup or anywhere else. The key is to win and keep winning. We have demonstrated that we can bring in a very good passing QB from P5 and do well. If our young guy is "the guy", he will beat out anyone that comes on campus.
Everyone has their philosophy, for QB transfers, I definitely want a transfer to have multiple years left to play.

[goapps93]

go watch their tapes. Criswell is bigger, but can move well and has a cannon for an arm. Burger looks solid so far but I'll take those attributes and everyone around the UNC program saying he's insanely gifted. Not saying he's Heisman, but he'll go somewhere else and start for a good P5 team. We should be looking hard at him, imo.

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

i'll trust our coaches over somebodies high school tape. Criswell just lost out to a true freshman. UNCCs backup qb was "the next big thing at TAMU" , transferred down to UNCC and did not look good against a CUSA defense.

Maye is a R-Fr. Criswell's a R-So. I don't think the QB battle is quite over in Chapel Hill. If, as some here have said, we can't get anything from the FAMU/UNC game then neither can the UNC coaches. I think Criswell would have carved up the Rattlers pretty good too. I bet we see both Saturday.

[biggie]

[AppSt94]

go watch their tapes. Criswell is bigger, but can move well and has a cannon for an arm. Burger looks solid so far but I'll take those attributes and everyone around the UNC program saying he's insanely gifted. Not saying he's Heisman, but he'll go somewhere else and start for a good P5 team. We should be looking hard at him, imo.

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

[AppStateNews]

9 minutes long... And David Ware has to listen to himself talk for 8 of it. I cannot watch anything when he is asking questions. Good dude, but just ask the damn question!

[Howard Street Hooligan]

Watching tape is a subjective opinion. Just ask Ericsaid. The coaches are really high on Burger. You don’t make a True Freshman 2A on your depth chart and then go get a second stringer from another team.

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

[AppSt94]

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

I guess if Criswell enters the portal and we don’t go after him, you will have your answer as to who the coaches feel is better.

[AppStateNews]

Not saying it's realistic but I like Criswell's upside and it would be nice to have a guy like that as our QB for several years.

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

[Howard Street Hooligan]

The coaches feel Burger is better than Criswell. The coaches think Burger has a chance to be the best pure QB that's ever worn the black and gold.

His arm talent is already better than Brice and Thomas. His decision making is light years ahead of any QB we've had as a true freshman. He obviously still has work to do, but barring an injury the staff will not be bringing in a guy to start. Not saying they won't go after Criswell, but if they do, they'll be very clear he's not the front runner.

Brice and Thomas have been fine, but I don't want that be the baseline. They have/had clear issues but I don't feel you know for a fact that they think Burger is better than Criswell and they thought let's sign Burger because we feel he's better than Criswell. That's a wild assumption. Coaches recruited Burger so obviously they're going to speak glowingly of him. IMO, I think he light it up vs our opponents even more so than Burger could/will but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't worry about making kids mad and go for the best QB I can get, no matter what.

So wait. You are saying that ASN doesn’t know for a fact that Burger is better than Criswell, but you know for a fact that Criswell is better because of tape you watched? Mmmmm OK.

For the record, I don’t know who you are and your connection to the school/team, if you have one, but while ASN and I might disagree some philosophically, I know where he gets his info from and I know for a fact he is right on this.

You think I'm commenting on an app state board with no connection or allegiance to App? He said the coaches feel he's better than Criswell? based off what? I said I find it hard to believe that they were like, "let's sign Burger, we feel he's better than Criswell" Unless he has heard that from the coaches, I find that to be a WILD assumption. Regardless, give me a guy that would be starting for most good P5's and was one of the best coming out of high school. Every coach around UNC's program raves about him, players current and past have raved about him, he just lost out to Howell, one of the best in ACC history and a Freshman stud that originally committed to Bama for a reason. He can play. But, again, I like Criswell better. My post on a message board is meaningless but I like his game.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

Criswell very well could be the better athlete. He very well could be the better QB in another system. In our system, Burger is the better option. Burger has better arm talent than Criswell from film. Criswell is more athletic, but that's not what we need. We need accuracy and timing with the right reads. Burger is better at that.

If it were like the old school QB challenge show, Burger would win in all throwing competitions head to head. Criswell would like win in all running competitions head to head. Our system and coaches put more of an emphasis on the passing part. And Burger is athletic enough to run what we run. Criswell is just inaccurate enough to not run what we run.

If you don't think having two years (we'll, I guess 1.5) in the system under his belt bodes better for Burger, you'll never be convinced otherwise.

when did i say it wouldn't help him??

Criswell absolutely has a better arm though and from the looks of all the videos floating around, seems to be more accurate, imo. The guy wasn't invited to the elite 11 because he wasn't a talented passer. Criswell is a faster version of Sam Howell by the looks of it so I think your assessment is wrong. When he goes to Arkansas or some school like that and does well, I'm going to come back and say I told you so. Burger will probably be fine, but we need MORE than fine.