Who stays, who goes?

[ericsaid]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

The only way there will be a lot of holes to fill is if a recruiting class tanks. Otherwise you have guys that have been on scout team, playing against the best squads in the conference, stepping up to start.

That's the thing about developing a roster most people will take for granted. The guys that are sitting and going through practice against the 1's are playing against a Top 20 team this year, Top 30 team last year, and Top 50 team the year before. It's a positive feedback loop that should payoff in a big way.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Think Roof and Brown have been good DC's for App, however, I think the sample size for each is too small to consider either one of the greatest at App.

[bigdaddyg]

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

The only way there will be a lot of holes to fill is if a recruiting class tanks. Otherwise you have guys that have been on scout team, playing against the best squads in the conference, stepping up to start.

That's the thing about developing a roster most people will take for granted. The guys that are sitting and going through practice against the 1's are playing against a Top 20 team this year, Top 30 team last year, and Top 50 team the year before. It's a positive feedback loop that should payoff in a big way.

Excellent points. Sometimes we forget that there are guys who might be equally as good as starters but are younger and if the talent is equal the coaches are not bumping out the older more experienced guys. It isn't like the younger guys waiting their turns are bad because they play either very little (due to close games) or are red shirts (obviously to save eligibility). We have to trust that the coaching staff is well aware of the situation and is continuously looking to fill holes.

[AppStFan1]

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

The only way there will be a lot of holes to fill is if a recruiting class tanks. Otherwise you have guys that have been on scout team, playing against the best squads in the conference, stepping up to start.

That's the thing about developing a roster most people will take for granted. The guys that are sitting and going through practice against the 1's are playing against a Top 20 team this year, Top 30 team last year, and Top 50 team the year before. It's a positive feedback loop that should payoff in a big way.

It most definitely should. We are getting very good players who can run and then they are being tested against a top notch team so by the time they touch the field often times the guys they face as a first-year starter are not as good as the players they go against in practice daily. It is indeed a great thing to have.

[Stonewall]

Ruffian was pretty good.Really good.

[AppStFan1]

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

The only way there will be a lot of holes to fill is if a recruiting class tanks. Otherwise you have guys that have been on scout team, playing against the best squads in the conference, stepping up to start.

That's the thing about developing a roster most people will take for granted. The guys that are sitting and going through practice against the 1's are playing against a Top 20 team this year, Top 30 team last year, and Top 50 team the year before. It's a positive feedback loop that should payoff in a big way.

Excellent points. Sometimes we forget that there are guys who might be equally as good as starters but are younger and if the talent is equal the coaches are not bumping out the older more experienced guys. It isn't like the younger guys waiting their turns are bad because they play either very little (due to close games) or are red shirts (obviously to save eligibility). We have to trust that the coaching staff is well aware of the situation and is continuously looking to fill holes.

It was like when Ross, Hampton, and Huff would come in the games and you could see they are better players than many starters on other SBC teams. We should be at the point now where we just reload. That is a big reason why I felt losing both corners was not a very big deal. We lose two very good safeties and three good linebackers but when you see Cobby, Hampton, Huff, Ross, Smith, Doublin, and others come in the games we are watching guys who could already be starting at many other SBC teams. I really think if Hampton was a full-time starter he would have been 1st or 2nd team All-SBC this year. Look at Hodges as well. We lose an All-SBC RT and he fills in and is 2nd team. Hodges was good enough to start last year but we did not have to start him. That is a luxury we have right now. Hampton would start for probably any SBC team this year but he was a backup at App. This is why our 2020 roster is going to be so stacked that 13-0 or 12-1 is fair to be expected.

[NavyApp]

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It was like when Ross, Hampton, and Huff would come in the games and you could see they are better players than many starters on other SBC teams. We should be at the point now where we just reload. That is a big reason why I felt losing both corners was not a very big deal. We lose two very good safeties and three good linebackers but when you see Cobby, Hampton, Huff, Ross, Smith, Doublin, and others come in the games we are watching guys who could already be starting at many other SBC teams. I really think if Hampton was a full-time starter he would have been 1st or 2nd team All-SBC this year. Look at Hodges as well. We lose an All-SBC RT and he fills in and is 2nd team. Hodges was good enough to start last year but we did not have to start him. That is a luxury we have right now. Hampton would start for probably any SBC team this year but he was a backup at App. This is why our 2020 roster is going to be so stacked that 13-0 or 12-1 is fair to be expected.

Since I first saw Ross' senior year highlights I just had a feeling he was special (might have been bc he was a smaller db that wore 4 with elite return skills). I didn't want to say anything because I didn't want to get too excited but even in limited playing time he showed us he has the "it" factor. Very excited to see him, Hampton, Harrington, and Jackson in full time roles. We are very fortunate to have so many guys that can come in when called and there be no drop off.

[t4pizza]

I'd put Nate Woody and John Wiley above Roof, easily. And I became a Roof fan late in the season.

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

I like Brown, he did a nice job for us. Of course, he also greatly benefitted from being a known coach and keeping the same assignments and schemes. There was no learning curve on his watch and the team played that way, although we did have some tough games when a starter or two was injured. I will say this, Brown had a tough time with his defense this year as Louisville ranked 115th in rushing, 110 in scoring defense, 106 in yards allowed (I could be off by a few numbers as I scrolled to the bottom of the 130 teams and counted the relatively few teams from the very bottom until I got to Louisville and then subtracted by 130 to get these figures), and none of that sounds like an elite DC to me. I know it is his first year and they were a dumpster fire before he got there and he will get it turned around but those are just atrocious stats that don't provide much job security for the long term.

[ericsaid]

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

I like Brown, he did a nice job for us. Of course, he also greatly benefitted from being a known coach and keeping the same assignments and schemes. There was no learning curve on his watch and the team played that way, although we did have some tough games when a starter or two was injured. I will say this, Brown had a tough time with his defense this year as Louisville ranked 115th in rushing, 110 in scoring defense, 106 in yards allowed (I could be off by a few numbers as I scrolled to the bottom of the 130 teams and counted the relatively few teams from the very bottom until I got to Louisville and then subtracted by 130 to get these figures), and none of that sounds like an elite DC to me. I know it is his first year and they were a dumpster fire before he got there and he will get it turned around but those are just atrocious stats that don't provide much job security for the long term.

The 3-4 change is a full recruiting cycle transition. Never mind the complexities and intricacies in assignments, responsibilities, and knowing your teammates, but they also need the right type of athlete to execute what the defense calls for.

[WASU 93]

John Wiley? Doesn't he run a 4-3? Give me $2,000 for things that aren't going to happen, Alex.

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

I like Brown, he did a nice job for us. Of course, he also greatly benefitted from being a known coach and keeping the same assignments and schemes. There was no learning curve on his watch and the team played that way, although we did have some tough games when a starter or two was injured. I will say this, Brown had a tough time with his defense this year as Louisville ranked 115th in rushing, 110 in scoring defense, 106 in yards allowed (I could be off by a few numbers as I scrolled to the bottom of the 130 teams and counted the relatively few teams from the very bottom until I got to Louisville and then subtracted by 130 to get these figures), and none of that sounds like an elite DC to me. I know it is his first year and they were a dumpster fire before he got there and he will get it turned around but those are just atrocious stats that don't provide much job security for the long term.

It's all relevant:
in 2018 Louisville was:
#126 in Rushing Defense
#40 in Passing Yards Allowed
#122 in Total Defense
and #127 of 129 in scoring defense.

Looks like the dumpster fire is smoldering, plus winning helps.

[NavyApp]

347 yd/gm 195 passing/gm 152 rush/game 27.3 points/game; Woody's first years as App DC against the Fun Belt. 446 yd/gm 235 passing/gm 211 rush/gm 33.8 points/gm; Browns first year at Louisville against the ACC. It's all contextual but we all know what happens in the D when you get the right players in the system. Thankfully for Brown Scott already knows that and probably isn't ripping up his contract right now.

[AppStFan1]

He did run the 4-3 during most (if not all) of his time at App. Regardless of scheme, I’d be a hard pass on Wiley. There are, in my opinion, many, many better options out there.

Hey - we aren't discussing him coming back - the original statement was that Roof was the best DC at APP since 1989

Bryan Brown is the best DC we have had. Roof had the best defense in the SBC by far. Our defense was suppose to be #1 and give up less than 17 a game. Our team as a whole should be even better next year. I know some will think I'm maybe overestimating but that's how good we were. My question is 2021 because we will have a lot of holes to fill. I know next year should be a top 20 team but after that I'm hoping we have a lot of freshmen and sophomores step up in 2020 to show they can take over.

I like Brown, he did a nice job for us. Of course, he also greatly benefitted from being a known coach and keeping the same assignments and schemes. There was no learning curve on his watch and the team played that way, although we did have some tough games when a starter or two was injured. I will say this, Brown had a tough time with his defense this year as Louisville ranked 115th in rushing, 110 in scoring defense, 106 in yards allowed (I could be off by a few numbers as I scrolled to the bottom of the 130 teams and counted the relatively few teams from the very bottom until I got to Louisville and then subtracted by 130 to get these figures), and none of that sounds like an elite DC to me. I know it is his first year and they were a dumpster fire before he got there and he will get it turned around but those are just atrocious stats that don't provide much job security for the long term.

It's all relevant:
in 2018 Louisville was:
#126 in Rushing Defense
#40 in Passing Yards Allowed
#122 in Total Defense
and #127 of 129 in scoring defense.

Looks like the dumpster fire is smoldering, plus winning helps.

ACC is very different but I expect Louisville to have a much improved defense the next two years. They don't have much talent on defense now but will eventually.

[asu7]

Trust the vis.... oh wait nvm.

Trust the hoodie! I have no doubt Clark will do what he thinks is best.

[appstatealum]

To date.... Woody was the best DC we ever had. He took a lot of transitional recruits and changed a system and a mindset and created a foundation for a Top 20 defense. Brown had the best defense in App history on his fingertips and did very well coaching them up for sure. Roof had another defense that was close to the best, but had a few pieces that graduated. His defense was serviceable at times and at other times showed what we thought they could've been.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

Anyone know if Riley and Zac have a good relationship with each other? If Riley stays, would he be a good fit for QB Coach if not ready for OC position? That would make room for Hollywood to come in for RB Coach.

[appstatealum]

Anyone know if Riley and Zac have a good relationship with each other? If Riley stays, would he be a good fit for QB Coach if not ready for OC position? That would make room for Hollywood to come in for RB Coach.

I know a lot of the kids on the team really like Riley. I'm not sure of his relationship with Zac specifically.

[appstate24]

Sorry, who is Hollywood?

Also, since Brian Jean Mary’s name has come up quite a bit. I noticed the new USF coach is letting everyone go, including BJM. One would assume he is looking. GO APPS!!

[Ozzies]

Dwayne Pelham is who I would have to assume. He’s the only Hollywood I know

[appstatealum]

Sorry, who is Hollywood?

Also, since Brian Jean Mary’s name has come up quite a bit. I noticed the new USF coach is letting everyone go, including BJM. One would assume he is looking. GO APPS!!

he is definitely looking, and i would love to have him here.

[appstatealum]

Sorry, who is Hollywood?

Also, since Brian Jean Mary’s name has come up quite a bit. I noticed the new USF coach is letting everyone go, including BJM. One would assume he is looking. GO APPS!!

he is definitely looking, and i would love to have him here.

nevermind, hearing USF may try and retain him.....more to come.....