Dowell Loggains

[DenverOfTheEast]

Some are going to hold DL to a different standard than they held Clark to and we will remember your hypocrisy.

And some are going to make excuses or have more forgiveness for DL that did not for Clark, we will recognize your bias.

[AppStFan1]

And Drink had the team stay in Hickory the Wednesday night before that Thursday home game.

That day has scarred so many people that they were willing to endure more mediocre Clark seasons rather than swing for the fences with another outsider.

Also the Love Week discourse came after Drink left. Those who were his biggest supporters felt burned by him.

Nine days later, he completed the Carolina sweep. Anybody else would’ve been forgiven.


This doesn’t apply to everyone, but a lot of the Clark fanatics were also against the FBS move. Like I said, it’s not 100 percent, but there’s a correlation.

TAMU still talked about as the second greatest upset of all time by some

It is an upset by any measure but when you consider what TAMU ended up being that year it was nowhere near the 2nd biggest upset of all-time. Preseason rankings mean nothing and A&M finished 5-7. The biggest upset in 2022 was the fact that we did not finish 9-3 or better after that win.

[AppStFan1]

Some are going to hold DL to a different standard than they held Clark to and we will remember your hypocrisy.

And some are going to make excuses or have more forgiveness for DL that did not for Clark, we will recognize your bias.

I am pretty sure that the folks who wanted to move on from Shawn this year will feel the same way about Loggains if he is 5-6 or doing worse than his predecessor in year 4 or 5. If Loggains does fail I think Gillin will be on the hot seat as well. I just think we all need to be fair and give Loggains a chance and go all in to try and succeed. If we try to make Loggains fail then our school fails and we set ourselves back even more.

[Saint3333]

Some are going to hold DL to a different standard than they held Clark to and we will remember your hypocrisy.

And some are going to make excuses or have more forgiveness for DL that did not for Clark, we will recognize your bias.

I'm a program first guy, but you already knew that.

[AppStFan1]

Some are going to hold DL to a different standard than they held Clark to and we will remember your hypocrisy.

And some are going to make excuses or have more forgiveness for DL that did not for Clark, we will recognize your bias.

I'm a program first guy, but you already knew that.

Same here. Program above any one individual.

[DenverOfTheEast]

Everyone is a program guy, but once things go one way or the other, everyone on this board has an opinion of why or why not things are working or not.

Those opinions will reveal themselves as the '25 season unfolds.

[Saint3333]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

[BeauFoster]

And Drink had the team stay in Hickory the Wednesday night before that Thursday home game.

That day has scarred so many people that they were willing to endure more mediocre Clark seasons rather than swing for the fences with another outsider.

Also the Love Week discourse came after Drink left. Those who were his biggest supporters felt burned by him.

Nine days later, he completed the Carolina sweep. Anybody else would’ve been forgiven.


This doesn’t apply to everyone, but a lot of the Clark fanatics were also against the FBS move. Like I said, it’s not 100 percent, but there’s a correlation.

TAMU still talked about as the second greatest upset of all time by some

It is an upset by any measure but when you consider what TAMU ended up being that year it was nowhere near the 2nd biggest upset of all-time. Preseason rankings mean nothing and A&M finished 5-7. The biggest upset in 2022 was the fact that we did not finish 9-3 or better after that win.

Exactly my point. Until 2 weeks ago, there were posts about Clark having a “ranked win” and massive upset of TAMU, which viewing it at the end of the season, was not the upset it seemed in September. It’s still a win to be celebrated and it brought Gameday to Boone, but I would never count it as a ranked win in the overall scheme of things.

GaTech was excited to beat FSU in Ireland this year, then we found out that FSU is complete garbage.

[DenverOfTheEast]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

[t4pizza]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

I would agree that the "Team Clark" posts from after CCU were mostly not program first. It can be argued that the ones before that were. Until the CCU loss, we could still salvage the season and have a decent record which would have made it 4 out of 5 years of 8 or more and 1 500 year. Sure, there were issues with the team but those could be corrected like last year. The problem this year is that things kept getting worse, especially the turnovers which really are the tale of the season. If we don't turn the ball over like we did, we most like win ULL, CCU, and Ga Southern. But we did turn the ball over and make other mistakes and SC had to go after 5 seasons. I don't think his supporters put him above the program, I think they really believed he could improve the program. They were wrong, but I don't think it was so overwhelming wrong (prior to CCU game) that it can be categorically said that his supporters put the coach ahead of the program. He has a better record in his 5 years at App than Drink does in his 5 years at Mizzu, the difference is that Drink lost early (first 3 seasons) on his way to building back to back good seasons and SC won early (with other staff's kids) on the way to the wheels falling off this year. I think everyone puts the program first, some just have different criteria of what that looks like.

[Saint3333]

DOTE put him above the program, if you disagree that is fine, but that's my assessment.

[MrCraig]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

App went 9-3 after not having spring practice in 2020. Maybe he should've skipped spring practice this year?

[t4pizza]

DOTE put him above the program, if you disagree that is fine, but that's my assessment.

Sure, but I ignore 99% of what he says (even if I agree with some) because I think he is clearly a troll just trying to get us pissed off. Not a credible poster and all of us that have been here for some time know it. He isn't even one of us, he isn't a MOUNTAINEER.

[goapps93]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

You know, you make a lot of good points. More people might have civil conversations with you if you weren't so abrasive and arrogant. I'm just offering some constructive criticism.

[GreatAppSt]

Honestly my first reaction was, Who? The published pics and the photoshopped announcement pics on appstatesports were less than flattering IMHO
The intro press conference was much more reassuring. Seemed driven, has a vision and is articulate.

I'm seeing teams like Oklahoma now hiring positions of vice president of football ie (General Manager like pro teams) . The need for someone other than the HC to deal with contracts nil and portal is upon us but i don't think we have to $ for that so I do believe Loggains NFL experience will will help us in this way tremendously. I'm looking forward to him putting together a good team every year. Like the NFL we will be in rebuild mode every season from now on that is the reality. Two Cents.

[BTK2000]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

What was the bill gates pandemic?

[AppStFan1]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

I am guessing he will but if we are below 60 players how good of a session will it be? He is also not a returning coach like Clark was so he has not really seen these guys. He is just as new to the program as the incoming recruits.

I was talking about it with a couple other folks and we were guessing we have to have spring practice late because of all the changes but it will be interesting to see when he aims to have it.

[t4pizza]

I actually prefer a later spring practice session. Never liked starting in February in Boone and the taking a break for spring break. I know the reasons behind it, just always thought it was strange. I have always thought that we should start spring practice after students return from spring break and have a spring game sometime in April. We all know Boone and even that timeline doesn't guarantee nice weather for a spring game but mid to late April is way better than mid March.

[AppWyo]

I actually prefer a later spring practice session. Never liked starting in February in Boone and the taking a break for spring break. I know the reasons behind it, just always thought it was strange. I have always thought that we should start spring practice after students return from spring break and have a spring game sometime in April. We all know Boone and even that timeline doesn't guarantee nice weather for a spring game but mid to late April is way better than mid March.

I just hope he gets along with everyone and does not burn any bridges, if anything, builds new and stronger relationships with everyone.

[AtlAppMan]

"TeamClark" posts were never about the program, I'm insulted of how ignorant you would have to believe the posters are here to type those words.

2025 is year one of a process, buckle up.

Be insulted all you want, #TeamClark was under appreciated when those post began, I was always, along with a few on here, agreed and understood the hardships that Clark had to go through as a coach, and the man went 40-24, 3-1 in Bowl games ,4 ranked wins, not too shabby body of work, underachieved this year for sure.

Case in point #1 -

Clark didn't get a Spring practice his first year as head coach due to a Bill Gates Pandemic.

Coach DL will have a spring season. Good for him.

What was the bill gates pandemic?

Sounds like you need to do some homework and expand your horizons.