Jerry Moore will not return

[GoAppsGo92]

Thanks for sharing your story. The lesson learned is that you work at the behest of your employer. You owe them a good day's work, and they owe you a paycheck and the tools they agreed to provide you in order to do your work. That's it. There is no guaranteed future, which is why I am working my ass off to be completely debit free (including home mortgage) by the time I am 45... three more years to go.

Most people don't have contracts. They work today, and have no real assurance of the next day... eventhough they would like to think so.

What's different about your case vs. Jerry's is that he was given a written communication 1 year ago that his coaching contract would not be renewed, and that he would be offered a 6 figure salary for 3 years to assist with fundraising. He refused, and instead, asked to coach one more year. He was granted that request December 31, 2011. You were never given any such definte notification based on your story above. Jerry had much more choice and even better communication about what was going to happen than you did.

[hAPPy4APP]

"Another Position" isn't what JM is about, and it isn't what made App a national brand. JM is a coach and as a coach brought all this recognition and put us into a position to move forward. FBS conferences haven't exactly been beating our door down as it is. Without the footprint JM made, we wouldn't even get a glance or a grunt. CC and KP seem to overlook all this, or just don't care.
CC and KP have the power but I just don't see the hurry in kicking the man to the curb who has done so much for this university. I think its wrong , unnecessary,and disrepectful and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
And btw, they talk about these memo's, but what about conversations with each other. For example, as a leader, as a supervisor, as an AD, if this was indeed to be the last game for an iconic coach, why did CC not wish his coach, his employee well on his possible LAST GAME as he should have, thereby eliminating any last minute surprises or miscommunication . How could this not come up at this stage of the game, no pun intended. ". The same can be said for KP as well.
And thats all I have to say about that. Its off my chest.

[MountainMan2020]

The off the field issues last year sealed his fate. The Chancellor didn't enjoy the criticism and negative media attention, and it was an embarassment to the university. As we all know, Coach Moore was nearly gone after last season, and there would have certainly been reasons for that to have been the case.

It's unfortunate this did not unfold in a different manner, but the administration is 100% right on this one. If I'm in their shoes (especially the Chancellor), I would be upset that Coach Moore chose not to abide by (or remember) the agreement due to the fact they were throughly embarassed and called-out last year for the aforementioned issue and overly accomodating this year in allowing him to go out on a positive note. He basically put them in another bad spot this year by suggesting they were the bad guys in thowing out a legendary coach, which is why I think the Chancellor's strongly worded statement was issued.

[CVAPP]

I propose a two week moratorium on new JM threads. If it has already been proposed in one of the numerous others please pardon me for not having time to read them.

[Daq32]

That's true. I was never guaranteed another job, like Jerry. However, I was kind of pushed to pursue another position in the company, but I felt like if I wanted to go into sales, I shouldn't settle for the training department job just because they think I'm better there. I'll prove I can do the sales job through my performance. Just speculating, but I bet Jerry felt similiarly. He wanted to coach and if he delivered, like he did, why should he still be let go if he wanted to stay?

[vegattk]

Folks- Please lets move on to bigger and better things for the future of App State foosballlll! Yea- JM is gone. Yes, JM did some ok things.. But just like the rest of us common folk, if our job performance declines over time, our mgt team will determine if, and when its time for us to go.
JM isn't different from me, or the rest of the App State nation. I truly believe when all the people take the emotion out of this situation, and take a long look at JM's steady performance decline, it is the BEST thing for this team for him to pack up the office, fire a red star cluster, and fade into the mist.

Ummm.... IMHO JM did some pretty darn awesome things for our University...

[JCline0429]

Folks- Please lets move on to bigger and better things for the future of App State foosballlll! Yea- JM is gone. Yes, JM did some ok things.. But just like the rest of us common folk, if our job performance declines over time, our mgt team will determine if, and when its time for us to go.
JM isn't different from me, or the rest of the App State nation. I truly believe when all the people take the emotion out of this situation, and take a long look at JM's steady performance decline, it is the BEST thing for this team for him to pack up the office, fire a red star cluster, and fade into the mist.

OK things??????

You're right, we haven't done as well as we did during the 3 year run, but if we fire every coach who goes 8-4 when we get to FBS, we'll have a different coach every other year. We may be lucky to have an 8-4 year when we get a full FBS schedule.

[AppGrad1]

And there you have it..... the rest of the story. There was, and is, no conspiracy. Its asinine to think there is.

Yep, Kenny Rogers even wrote a song once about it...

[Roachout]

Goapps92 you summed it all up perfectly.Jerry gambled if he had a reasonable yr. he could squeeze another yr. out of the administration. He gambled and he lost. Don't know how better the admin. could have handled this.For Jerry to say now that he didn't agree and making an issue out of this when this is all on him is making me think much less of him.This with putting family above program is making this decision crystal to me.Hate it had to end this way but it's on you Jerry. Sad.

[ASUMountaineer]

You've said your peace, can we move on now?

[1980 Bulldog]

Whatever you make of Peacock's statement, what he does not say is that Coach Moore signed a contract agreeing that this past season would be his last. I think if they had such a contract they would produce it. Everything other than the memos sent between Cobb and Peacock (according to Peacock) seems to be verbal, right?

The Brad Adcock story seems too contrived. Contrived to suggest that Coach Moore is either a liar, or more likely a senile old man. That's actually pretty underhanded given that Coach Moore has not cast aspersions personally on Cobb or Peacock in his recent statements.

if you take Peacock's statement as pure truth, that's a lot to have kept secret from Satterfield and the other assistant coaches.

I do not. If you do, we will have to agree to disagree.

Coach Moore said on Wednesday he had NOT signed anything. He didn't even sign his contracts during his stay at ASU.

[clayton]

“All I really wanted was an answer. Tell me I’m not doing a good job, tell me I’m too old or something. Just tell me something. Then it got to the word ‘they.’ ‘They think it’s time.’ I don’t know who the ‘they’ is, and I don’t know what ‘it’s time’ means.”

We're talking about Jerry Moore. JERRY MOORE. This isn't Buzz Peterson.

This is Jerry Moore. I know many of us want to move on. But, we have an administration that made Jerry Moore say that to the press. Should we feel good about that?

It just shows that ego and ignorance have clouded his judgement. This is App State not Western. 8-4 and first round exits might be great for them but not us. I have a picture that JM signed for me that says, "Always do more than expected". Looks like he isn't following his own advice.

WHAT?

Two 8-4 seasons after six straight 10 win seasons is no reason to fire a coach. That is absurd. If we're going to keep those expectations for coaches, we're going to fire a lot of coaches. Pretty much any coach. Name a coach who has had a better 8 year run?

You just called Jerry Moore ignorant. JERRY MOORE.

[GlassOnion]

WHAT?

Two 8-4 seasons after six straight 10 win seasons is no reason to fire a coach. That is absurd. If we're going to keep those expectations for coaches, we're going to fire a lot of coaches. Pretty much any coach. Name a coach who has had a better 8 year run?

You just called Jerry Moore ignorant. JERRY MOORE.

Jerry Moore wasnt fired for an 8-4 season. He was retired because he couldnt keep a grip on the team for a period of years. Or his son.

[RankinApp]

WHAT?

Two 8-4 seasons after six straight 10 win seasons is no reason to fire a coach. That is absurd. If we're going to keep those expectations for coaches, we're going to fire a lot of coaches. Pretty much any coach. Name a coach who has had a better 8 year run?

You just called Jerry Moore ignorant. JERRY MOORE.

Put down the pipe and step away from the ledge. Jerry wasn't fired. While I would have liked to see App progress further in the playoffs the last few years, I am happy with the seasons overall. Again, Jerry wasn't fired. There was an agreement that this would be Jerry's last year. Jerry wasn't fired. His contract wasn't renewed and expires next year. Jerry wasn't fired. It's time to finally move on, no matter how bad you and your AppFan crew are going to try to keep dragging the university through the mud. Jerry wasn't fired. That won't work here - you're going to get called on the BS. Jerry wasn't fired.

[AppStateNews]

There was an agreement. There was a written memo to Coach Moore offering him a new job within the athletics department for three years. Coach Moore turned that down and wanted to coach the remaining year in his contract. Cobb agreed, sent a memo to Peacock explaining it and everybody agreed to it.

Now, because Coach Moore had a misunderstanding, it's a big deal. This was agreed upon for A YEAR!

Should Cobb and Peacock let Moore go after last season like was planned? Instead, they granted him his wish to coach one more season and it is now backfiring on them!

I think a lot of the reason you think people are automatically backing the administration is because a lot of the people on here are involved (or at least in the know) of the behind the scenes stuff. They knew this agreement was in place already. They knew it was coming -- much like Moore did (or at least should have).

[JCline0429]

Jerry Moore put Appalachian State on the maps for everyone in the USA to see. I hate to see him go, but it is what it is. It's time to move forward with the "young ASU" football team. I really think someone close to ASU will get the job (I hope) and we will only get better. We have a ton of FRESH & SOPH who start. I would hope we continue the spread offense as it is so fun to watch.

It's time to start a new chapter with the ASU football program and support our new coach and enjoy the new conference (Sunbelt as people all over think we will go to). I like being the big fish in the small pond, but at least Wake Forrest, UNC and other chicken shit schools will finally play us. I would rather play Wake and UNC than Samford or Eloan or Leftern.

Coach Moore was awesome and was a great role model. At some point there has to be a change; 50% will like it and the other 50% won't like it. It's time to come together as one and make this ASU football program grow grow grow. We should be awesome next year and the years to come.

Go Apps!!!!!!!!

What makes you think UNC will play us? They still play FCS schools, just not us. Wake stopped the series because we were a threat, not because we were FCS. They even said so.

[JCline0429]

I agree completely with ending it all here. I was simply saying that many, especially those in the media, are not going to let it lie until no questions exist, it simply makes for too good of a story. "He said, she said" or "He said, He said, He said" in this case will always have folks hooked. I think that with KP issuing this statement we now have enough facts to draw a reasonable conclusion as to how things went down. There really are no winners in this game of back and forth. For everyone's sake lets hope cooler heads prevail and we see a day in the next few weeks where we hear that Coach Moore has accepted a position within the department and the department is working on plans to honor Coach Moore during the 2013 season, our last in the SoCon (or at least that is my hope).

Could be Coach burned too many bridges to be offered a position. I really don't think he wants to work for CC so it is probably a moot point.

After this war of words there is no way Coach Moore will be working at ASU. Cobb left the door open for that in his original remarks, but I believe that ship has sailed by now. I don't know why some are so surprised by this. Jerry is 73 and the team is obviously not performing as well as it has in the past. Add in the off-field issues with players and coaches, and it is pretty clear his time as head coach was about over. Time to move forward and find the right man to build on what Coach Moore helped create.

I agree about the off field issues, etc, but if we fire every coach who has 8-4 seasons in FBS, we're in for a world of hurt. That is if the 8-4 is the reason instead of the off the field issues.

[JCline0429]

Whatever you make of Peacock's statement, what he does not say is that Coach Moore signed a contract agreeing that this past season would be his last. I think if they had such a contract they would produce it. Everything other than the memos sent between Cobb and Peacock (according to Peacock) seems to be verbal, right?

Why would there be a contract? His contract is up.. this was his last season of his contract. There is no need to have another contract -- just not renewing his contract is enough.

Read WM's post about June 2013. They've already interviewed for his job. Does that mean that the new coach's contract will start post June 2013? Not bloody likely.

[appbio91]

Go back and look at the link you posted. Moore never said he did not know, he said he did not agree that this would be his last year. The man is simply holding Cobbs feet to the fire. He wanted to stay and is making it clear that it was not his decision to retire. IMO he should have taken the deal last year. I do understand that he would not want to finish his career under that cloud though. My guess is Coach will clarify eventually and wd can all move on.

He DID KNOW, as he rejected the 3 year offer, and REQUSTED 1 more year as coach instead. The one year HC position was not offered by Cobb, but by Jerry Moore, and Cobb and Peacock accepted it.

The problem is, alot of people think Jerry Moore walks on water, but he's really up to his chest.

Let me change the wording - he did not accept that this would be his last year. Not sure why I am arguing these symantecs. I have been cursed out multiple times over the past two years for saying the time has come. I guess I just understand Coach's frustration. I don't think he walks on water, if he did we would be getting ready to travel to EW today.

[AppStateNews]

Whatever you make of Peacock's statement, what he does not say is that Coach Moore signed a contract agreeing that this past season would be his last. I think if they had such a contract they would produce it. Everything other than the memos sent between Cobb and Peacock (according to Peacock) seems to be verbal, right?

Why would there be a contract? His contract is up.. this was his last season of his contract. There is no need to have another contract -- just not renewing his contract is enough.

Read WM's post about June 2013. They've already interviewed for his job. Does that mean that the new coach's contract will start post June 2013? Not bloody likely.

No, the new coach's contract will likely start as soon as he is hired. However, there will likely be a clause in his contract saying the official title will not be given to him until Coach Moore's is expired. Or vice versa (Moore's has a clause stating as soon as the football season is over, his head coach duties are done).

I am by no means a legal expert, but I do know our legal council is and is not quite that inept!