Kidd Brewer

[The Rock]

From what I know stadium lot will end up basically turning into a parking deck. A closed secret group of possible bidders for it have gone out few weeks ago.

I thought the deck was going in at the Raley/peacock lot. That was the last I heard.
A parking deck at the stadium lot is a terrible idea that would kill parking and game day experience. Parking at the library deck, it isn't fun tailgating, it is loud, cold , no sunshine.
The stadium lot is the gateway and face of the school's tailgating culture. Putting a deck there and limiting the atmosphere would be a major mistake in my opinion

[Rick83]

When I was at App my Business Law professor tried to get a paralegal program started which could have led to a law school but it didn't move forward. Seems to me that a law program could tie into the business program nicely.

[bcoach]

The university has a lot of construction planned as seen in the 2025 drawings.

As we think long term (20+ years out) we should think about increasing enrollment (classrooms & student housing) as a way to increase our alumni base so attendance & donations can also increase. Looking at ECU they've done some smart things to increase the number of high income alumni over time. Adding law school, more medical degrees and other traditionally high income degrees will fuel them for years. I hate to admit it but they are an athletic program to watch out for going forward.

Your plan is to build a university to support the football team?

Continue to grow our university so it can continue to support our athletics program at the level the future will require.

I think his point is that the relationship is backwards. As much as I love App State sports, it is the sports programs which support the University....not the other way around.

Neither are mutually exclusive of the other.... "the cycle of life" Athletics markets and brings students. The Degrees offered by the University, generates Alumni who give back to BOTH the University and Athletics. The point is by offering more degrees with higher earning potential there will theoretically be increased donations to YOSEF and the like.

It is often cited the large number of living Alumni we have, yet the low $$'s donated. Fact is, while I am thankful to all the teachers and appreciate the roots of Appalachian, teachers represent a significant portion of the living Alumni and their pay is pitiful. "Low paying" careers don't allow for the discretionary income that a Professional school would. The growth of the business school has helped. But we do need something else.

I think Peacock got us moving in the right direction with the Nursing program. If done right, I can see this growing into a medical school.... but how far off is that?

"Continue to grow our university so it can continue to support our athletics program at the level the future will require"
Show that statement to the board of the UNC system and it will guarantee zero growth in the future.
As far as a medical school, refer back to the last sentence.
I agree with added programs but not with the intent to support athletics. I would prefer that be a side benefit. If you really want to see the giving problem don't look at the dollar amount per giver look at the percentage that give at all. That is where your real problem is.

[EastHallApp]

It's not athletics-specific, but universities absolutely make decisions like those with a mind to maximizing donations. Especially at the elite level. I can tell you that Duke specifically targets and recruits students from wealthy families as a means to keep bringing in large donations. Now of course that confirms everything people suspect and hate about Duke being elitist and privileged, and I wouldn't want us to emulate that. But it's certainly been effective.

[appmaj]

I thought the deck was going in at the Raley/peacock lot. That was the last I heard.
A parking deck at the stadium lot is a terrible idea that would kill parking and game day experience. Parking at the library deck, it isn't fun tailgating, it is loud, cold , no sunshine.
The stadium lot is the gateway and face of the school's tailgating culture. Putting a deck there and limiting the atmosphere would be a major mistake in my opinion

Nah...

[MtnMan09]

When I was at App my Business Law professor tried to get a paralegal program started which could have led to a law school but it didn't move forward. Seems to me that a law program could tie into the business program nicely.

No way no way at all. The state already has SEVEN law schools that's way too many for this state. So many new grads out there that can't find jobs. Health Sciences, analytics, mba program (cant remember if they already have that), any number of other grad programs would better suit the state and our students.

[Rick83]

When I was at App my Business Law professor tried to get a paralegal program started which could have led to a law school but it didn't move forward. Seems to me that a law program could tie into the business program nicely.

No way no way at all. The state already has SEVEN law schools that's way too many for this state. So many new grads out there that can't find jobs. Health Sciences, analytics, mba program (cant remember if they already have that), any number of other grad programs would better suit the state and our students.

Not disagreeing with you totally but of those 7, there are only 2 state supported schools, UNC-Chapel Hill (good luck getting in there) and NC Central...still saying that a Law school would fit nicely with the business program.

[BTK2000]

Did y'all not look at the campus master plan for 2025? Granted it doesn't include the Athletics master plan but still shows us what's going on. Currently the demolition of the broyhill is in bidding phase but it's what they will build that's interesting and give us a glimpse at what's going on. For the space at the top of the hill there are 2 possible plans that are presented. Both have baseball/softball fields and an auxiliary building for offices. They have a parking deck with the current parking lot becoming green space with a walkway to base/softball fields. Only ONE of the renderings has a track a field facility.

The way I am reading this is that they are still looking at a place to put track but have a plan for it to be on campus if that falls through. The other interesting thing I have learned is that the school doesn't own the soccer fields off 421. They rent them from the soccer organization here in watagua. So they haven't invested in a soccer facility beyond putting block A on a rented field, field hockey looks like they are just in a temporary home at State Farm and that there are 2 plans for the broyhill where only one has track. This leads me to believe that there is a permanate home hoping to be announced for all thoes sports. An off campus athletics complex they hadn't secured when the campus plan was made.

Is it the high school? No clue. I even looked at the land where the old idutrial looking building Was on greenway rd. I think is large enough and close enough to be conviniant to campus. Either way I'd imagine the stadium plan is made because they wouldent have invested that much into making the stadium parking lot useable for both tailgating and school days without knowing the stadium upgrades.

Do I sound crazy?

[BTK2000]

Also have a little faith. The people making these decisions have careers in college athletics and know what they are doing. They know if the stadium needs to be expanded and know what app is capable of doing now and where they think it will go in the future. They won't undersell App football nor will they waste money.

[MtnMan09]

When I was at App my Business Law professor tried to get a paralegal program started which could have led to a law school but it didn't move forward. Seems to me that a law program could tie into the business program nicely.

No way no way at all. The state already has SEVEN law schools that's way too many for this state. So many new grads out there that can't find jobs. Health Sciences, analytics, mba program (cant remember if they already have that), any number of other grad programs would better suit the state and our students.

Not disagreeing with you totally but of those 7, there are only 2 state supported schools, UNC-Chapel Hill (good luck getting in there) and NC Central...still saying that a Law school would fit nicely with the business program.

And as a lawyer, I am just saying the market is already flooded and selling kids a degree for a job market that is oversaturated does nothing to help them or the state's economy. We have a little over 9 million people and 7 law schools. Georgia by contrast has over 10 million people and only has 5. South Carolina with 8 1/2 million people has just 1 now. There are other business-related grad programs we can go after that will give the students a better chance to succeed. I think the health sciences/medical space is another avenue to pursue. We only have two dental schools currently, one of which was just added at ECU. People are still being forced to go out of state to obtain a DDS degree if they aren't lucky enough to get into UNC or ECU and when they get out a marketedly different job market awaits them than law students who go to lower tier law schools in the state.

[Saint3333]

I've never been an advocate for more lawyers.

[BTK2000]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

Edit: yeah go and read through some of the strategic planning reports. I have skimmed them and that's where I got the bulk of my info. But when you get deeper they are looking at the goal of each Deere should be to have critical thinking and cross criculum knowledge and application beyond the title on the degree. The expansion of app won't be a law school. It will be in health studies(physical, medical and phyclogiacal), tech development/ application and general education.

[Rick83]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

No need for the UNC system to make things so complicated...we've got all the answers right here on this message board. Obviously, the posters on this board can get things done...just look what we've accomplished with the canned music issue at Kidd Brewer...

[BTK2000]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

No need for the UNC system to make things so complicated...we've got all the answers right here on this message board. Obviously, the posters on this board can get things done...just look what we've accomplished with the canned music issue at Kidd Brewer...

Haha solving the worlds problems one post at a time. Yeah UNC campuses don't engage in pissing contests between each other because they are one school and have a unified strategic plan. They balance each other and the state looks as the education as an investment in society/ the economy. New/expanded programs will meet the needs of the state and not be for the sake of competing with UNC.

[EastHallApp]

When I was at App my Business Law professor tried to get a paralegal program started which could have led to a law school but it didn't move forward. Seems to me that a law program could tie into the business program nicely.

No way no way at all. The state already has SEVEN law schools that's way too many for this state. So many new grads out there that can't find jobs. Health Sciences, analytics, mba program (cant remember if they already have that), any number of other grad programs would better suit the state and our students.

MS in Analytics would be a fantastic idea to get in on an area where there are more jobs than people right now. It's also a way to develop a public/private partnership. NC State has that program with support from SAS and from what I gather their graduates are pretty much killing it in the job market.

[AppStateNews]

I thought the deck was going in at the Raley/peacock lot. That was the last I heard.
A parking deck at the stadium lot is a terrible idea that would kill parking and game day experience. Parking at the library deck, it isn't fun tailgating, it is loud, cold , no sunshine.
The stadium lot is the gateway and face of the school's tailgating culture. Putting a deck there and limiting the atmosphere would be a major mistake in my opinion

Nah...

He clearly hasn't been to the top deck of the Liberry deck!

[asu66]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

No need for the UNC system to make things so complicated...we've got all the answers right here on this message board. Obviously, the posters on this board can get things done...just look what we've accomplished with the canned music issue at Kidd Brewer...

Haha solving the worlds problems one post at a time. Yeah UNC campuses don't engage in pissing contests between each other because they are one school and have a unified strategic plan. They balance each other and the state looks as the education as an investment in society/ the economy. New/expanded programs will meet the needs of the state and not be for the sake of competing with UNC.

The UNC Board of Governors will not approve a School of Law for ASU in our lifetimes. We'll need to come up with a unique and cutting edge profession/field of study that no other UNC institution has covered. Otherwise, ASU's application will get the customary "File 13" treatment that scores of proposals for Ph.D. and Ed.D programs have received since the mid-70s. Sadly, UNC-G and UNCC have established themselves just ahead of us in the pecking order when these programs are awarded by the BOG. We've yet to have a Chancellor who can break down the "invisible wall." DTrump would say that the UNC System is rigged. In this case, at least, he'd be spot on.

[bcoach]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

No need for the UNC system to make things so complicated...we've got all the answers right here on this message board. Obviously, the posters on this board can get things done...just look what we've accomplished with the canned music issue at Kidd Brewer...

Haha solving the worlds problems one post at a time. Yeah UNC campuses don't engage in pissing contests between each other because they are one school and have a unified strategic plan. They balance each other and the state looks as the education as an investment in society/ the economy. New/expanded programs will meet the needs of the state and not be for the sake of competing with UNC.

The UNC Board of Governors will not approve a School of Law for ASU in our lifetimes. We'll need to come up with a unique and cutting edge profession/field of study that no other UNC institution has covered. Otherwise, ASU's application will get the customary "File 13" treatment that scores of proposals for Ph.D. and Ed.D programs have received since the mid-70s. Sadly, UNC-G and UNCC have established themselves just ahead of us in the pecking order when these programs are awarded by the BOG. We've yet to have a Chancellor who can break down the "invisible wall." DTrump would say that the UNC System is rigged. In this case, at least, he'd be spot on.

Exactly

[BTK2000]

I don't think app has ever wanted to be a research institution. The focus has alway been on teaching and undergrad students. The priority given to teaching balanced with research is why my I/O professor said he came here and stayed. We have undergrads in cadaver labs, competing vs grad students with the solar car/house, and living/ working on a farm researching sustainability. I love the undergrad focus here. App enables it's undergrad students to make a difference in the world without a graduate degree

[hotrod2001]

Predicting what unc systems school will do acidemicly is complicated. App can't just create/ expand something because they want to. It has to meet the goals and mission of the UNC system. Now, when you go to the unc system website you can look at strategic planning and see the different goals the system wants to meet as a whole. One measurement of effectiveness is economic impact. Why should the state invest in something if there is no return? Well if I read it right, there is a return and it was 27.9 billion in 2013 in income to the state. Now how to increase that return. It seems like the presentations there focus on industry and technology. Ok well I don't see the UNC system expanding acidemic research based programs because NC is already 4th nationally. NC ranks in the second or third quarter in hitech business and technology commercialization. That's the magic number. We don't want grads from other states coming to nc we want our grads bringing money to NC and staying here. The presentation from October specifically states that the goal is to increase #of k-12 teachers, STEM graduates and healthcare professionals. So what does that mean for app? That means we will most likely see an expansion in sustainable development and specifically in the tech research/ degrees. It probably means we will see more from the college of health sciences at app and we will see a larger focus on teacher training in the whole UNC system. I don't see how teacher training can expand at app other than making the school bigger or expanding the graduate programs.

No need for the UNC system to make things so complicated...we've got all the answers right here on this message board. Obviously, the posters on this board can get things done...just look what we've accomplished with the canned music issue at Kidd Brewer...

Haha solving the worlds problems one post at a time. Yeah UNC campuses don't engage in pissing contests between each other because they are one school and have a unified strategic plan. They balance each other and the state looks as the education as an investment in society/ the economy. New/expanded programs will meet the needs of the state and not be for the sake of competing with UNC.

The UNC Board of Governors will not approve a School of Law for ASU in our lifetimes. We'll need to come up with a unique and cutting edge profession/field of study that no other UNC institution has covered. Otherwise, ASU's application will get the customary "File 13" treatment that scores of proposals for Ph.D. and Ed.D programs have received since the mid-70s. Sadly, UNC-G and UNCC have established themselves just ahead of us in the pecking order when these programs are awarded by the BOG. We've yet to have a Chancellor who can break down the "invisible wall." DTrump would say that the UNC System is rigged. In this case, at least, he'd be spot on.

Exactly

I wonder if the Beaver School of Medicine will eventually grow into something. If I recall, I think they purchased the old Lowe's property over by State Farm and are building a new facility over there. I'm not sure if it would ever turn into a full blown health professions thing with medical sciences, pharmacy, etc. (UNC basically has a stranglehold on Pharmacy as they are satelliting their programs out to UNCA and a few other campuses) but it's a good area to be in.

All in all App has been and probably always will be the school which is for teachers. That's what we started out as and what at least when I was there, we were known for.