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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Seattleapp » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:47 pm

bigdaddyg wrote:
Seattleapp wrote:We would have beaten Tennessee and Troy with a quarterback defenses had to respect
Ridiculous post of the day. We make an XP and a FG and recover a fumble in the end zone and we beat UT.

We prevent Troy from converting a 4th down play at the end and we beat them.

TL doesn't kick or play defense

How is it ridiculous? Lamb completes even a couple of those passes against either team and we are winning going away. One could argue the reason the games were as close as they were was because we couldn't get that QB spark. I'm not blaming him for the losses, I'm saying a better performance and we win easily in my opinion. Have you guys been watching him this year? He can't get the ball to the receivers. I'm not kidding when i say he looks like his arm is hurt.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Seattleapp » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:50 pm

WVAPPeer wrote:Someone please help me here --- Are we 18-2 in our last 20 SB games? - Are we 22-2 in our last G5 games? - We lost games with AE at QB and he is the best I have ever seen --- Lamb has limitations as most all QBs - it is the job of the coaches to minimize those - The goal is to win the game !!! --- Who can list all the All-American QBs or even All-Conference QBs who have lead Alabama to National Championships over the last 10 years ??? Some of you are f-ing delusional ---
In fairness and I am usually in agreement with you, but the competition has been pretty weak in the sunbelt. We have won, not because Lamb has played great. Delusional is not fair to say. People are simply pointing out how poorly he has played this year. And if you can't see that then you are delusional.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Seattleapp » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:54 pm

Yosef84 wrote:
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/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:Is he the best we've ever had? No. Is he the best we currently have? Yes. He is good, I wouldn't say great, but good.
This is not meant to be flippant in any way but how do we all know that Taylor is the best QB we have currently have at this point?

I'd argue we haven't seen enough of JP in actual game settings to accurately say Taylor is any better or worse.
We know because we have a coaching staff who evaluates the players on an ongoing basis. It is THEIR job to make the decision about who is the best QB and who gives us the best chance to win. Since they have a vested interest in winning, I have confidence that is exactly what they are doing. It is NOT their job to give the fans enough footage of alternatives to make the decisions collectively.

I am not saying that Lamb is the second coming of AE but the expectations that many of you have are completely over the top. It's great having high standards, but I see plenty of P5 programs who have major difficulty find a QB to run their offense consistently. Last year, Georgia would have LOVED to have Taylor Lamb because all they had was a transfer from Virginia who couldn't buy a touchdown with a Platinum VISA. Lamb isn't perfect, but he is throwing to a group of rookie receivers. Even Meadors didn't really hit stride until mid season. Capel is a great athlete but seems to have trouble hanging onto passes at times. All that factors into the rhythm and confidence of the QB. Lamb has one more year and with this group of receivers returning, I wager he gets plenty of "respect" from opposing defenses.

No offense, but as a UVA fan i can assure you, Grayson Lambert is twice the quarterback Taylor Lamb is. Lamb would have 1000 interceptions if he played in the SEC. I like the kid, but saying he has a subpar arm is not a slight. It's a fact.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Seattleapp » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:00 pm

Appdoggy wrote:Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.

This sums up exactly what some are saying. Perfect post and not a thing anyone can argue with. Lamb's biggest problem is he isn't mobile, so he's a pocket passer with a weak arm. That's a bad combination against good defenses. It's kinda weird why some on this board are so resistant to even acknowledging these facts.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Yosef84 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:35 pm

QueencityApp wrote:Lamb will surprise you every now and then, like the scramble for 30 or so yards for a TD at Southern and then this past weekend hitting Ike Lewis in stride for a big gain down the field at Troy. If he only had the wheels to get out of trouble when the pocket collapsed I think people would give him more slack. But I mean look who he's following in our past with Richie, Armanti and Jamal all of which I feel had better mobility than Lamb. I do feel he has regressed just a tad from his Freshman and Sophomore years. I still can't believe we went down to ULL and Ark St his Freshman year and won.
I don't think you were intending this as a slight but including Jamal in that group is a HUGE stretch. He is a fine young man and played some good football for App but Lamb is head and shoulders better than Jamal. I think he is comparable to Richie Williams but this year he doesn't have the receivers. That's not intended as a slight to him either because Richie is one of my all-time favorite App players. AE is in a league of his own, and I completely agree that Lamb (and every QB we have had since AE) has suffered in comparison.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by hapapp » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:01 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
Yosef84 wrote:
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/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09 wrote:Is he the best we've ever had? No. Is he the best we currently have? Yes. He is good, I wouldn't say great, but good.
This is not meant to be flippant in any way but how do we all know that Taylor is the best QB we have currently have at this point?

I'd argue we haven't seen enough of JP in actual game settings to accurately say Taylor is any better or worse.
We know because we have a coaching staff who evaluates the players on an ongoing basis. It is THEIR job to make the decision about who is the best QB and who gives us the best chance to win. Since they have a vested interest in winning, I have confidence that is exactly what they are doing. It is NOT their job to give the fans enough footage of alternatives to make the decisions collectively.

I am not saying that Lamb is the second coming of AE but the expectations that many of you have are completely over the top. It's great having high standards, but I see plenty of P5 programs who have major difficulty find a QB to run their offense consistently. Last year, Georgia would have LOVED to have Taylor Lamb because all they had was a transfer from Virginia who couldn't buy a touchdown with a Platinum VISA. Lamb isn't perfect, but he is throwing to a group of rookie receivers. Even Meadors didn't really hit stride until mid season. Capel is a great athlete but seems to have trouble hanging onto passes at times. All that factors into the rhythm and confidence of the QB. Lamb has one more year and with this group of receivers returning, I wager he gets plenty of "respect" from opposing defenses.

No offense, but as a UVA fan i can assure you, Grayson Lambert is twice the quarterback Taylor Lamb is. Lamb would have 1000 interceptions if he played in the SEC. I like the kid, but saying he has a subpar arm is not a slight. It's a fact.
Yep, Lambert was a real star at UVA. What was his record? How many bowl victories did he have there? I do know he threw more INTs than TDs. A stronger arm doesn't make a better QB. Lamb is not an SEC level QB but apparently Lambert isn't one either.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:21 pm

ringac wrote:I have never been a big believer in Lamb. Even when we are winning. I don't think he is particularly skilled at the QB position. But skills aside, I have always thought he lacked football knowledge. He has never shown me that he can read defenses and make adjustments. His decision making is also very poor. He usually hesitates way too much when passing or running. His passes are mostly inaccurate. If you pay attention, most of his passes are above or behind the receiver. Do the receivers end up catching them? Sometimes. But not enough to justify a starting QB position.

To those of you saying that he is a winner who finds a way to win and that is all that matters, that has only been true when facing subpar teams. When playing a team with only a decent defense, he struggles severely.

I know that we are a run first offense. But we can't be a run only offense. It is extremely easy to stack the line and stop the run when you know it is coming on every down. You have to be able to throw to keep the defense guessing.
Coach Saban? Is that you? I mean with that kind of insight you have to be someone that has coached in a National Title Game. While I understand that this is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinion. It is my opinion that you don't know what you are talking about. He has the same completion percentage and the same yards per attempt as Silvers. Unless you are in the film room or the meetings and know what is and isn't being asked of him, you have no clue as to how he is executing. We are a run first, second, and third option team. When we play behind the chains and are forced into obvious passing situations, the defense knows this and pins their ears back. Our receivers just aren't there yet aside from Meadors.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by AppSt94 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:32 pm

Seattleapp wrote:
WVAPPeer wrote:Someone please help me here --- Are we 18-2 in our last 20 SB games? - Are we 22-2 in our last G5 games? - We lost games with AE at QB and he is the best I have ever seen --- Lamb has limitations as most all QBs - it is the job of the coaches to minimize those - The goal is to win the game !!! --- Who can list all the All-American QBs or even All-Conference QBs who have lead Alabama to National Championships over the last 10 years ??? Some of you are f-ing delusional ---
In fairness and I am usually in agreement with you, but the competition has been pretty weak in the sunbelt. We have won, not because Lamb has played great. Delusional is not fair to say. People are simply pointing out how poorly he has played this year. And if you can't see that then you are delusional.
But why has be played poorly? What makes his play poor? His statistics are not great, and they are somewhat over inflated with these forward handoffs that count as passes, but he is playing with new WR's. It's easy to blame one guy for the problems but he is just a piece of the machine that needs all of the other pieces to be working.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by JTApps1 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:46 am

Appdoggy wrote:Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

That is an average of 50% comp. 148.2yds .6tds and 1.6int...

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.
First, I think it is ridiculous to evenly factor games against ranked P5 teams with Sun Belt games. Second, I find it interesting you left out Lamb's numbers against Arkansas State in 2014 and 2015, ULL in 2014, and GS in 2015 which were all top teams in the conference.

2014 Ark. State: 14-22 255yds 2TD 0INT

2014 ULL: 11-22 195yds 1TD 1INT

2015 Ark. State: 22-35 321yds 4TD 1INT

2015 GS: 14-20 220yds 2TD 0INT

That is an average of 61.6% comp. 248yds 2.25TD .5INT. Interestingly enough the game he had the best stats was the only one we lost.
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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by NattyBumppo'sRevenge » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:51 am

Lamb is our best QB since Armanti in my opinion. There's plenty of room for improvement, but I'd take him over all but one or two other qb's in our conference.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Rick83 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:04 am

Appdoggy wrote:Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

That is an average of 50% comp. 148.2yds .6tds and 1.6int...

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.
Most of your examples are from this year and we've, I think, all acknowledged that the receiving corps is/was inexperienced. If receivers aren't open and pressure is coming he smartly throws the ball away and that counts as an incomplete pass - that type of decision making is part of being a good quarterback...it's not just about percentage of completions. I'm guessing that the teams you listed had some pretty audacious coverage guys...and that there DLs brought heavy pressure thus not giving him much time to wait for inexperienced receivers to get open.
The 2015 Clemson team played in and NEARLY WON the national championship...so come'on - why even list that one? The Ga Southern game in 2014 was a short-week Thursday night road game after a tough road game loss against Southern Miss the previous Saturday night in our first year of FBS. The first half of 2014 was a period of rebuilding for the team as a whole. The 2 P5 teams this year, Tennesse & Miami have both had several close losses and one of Tennessee's losses was against Alabama so they're both probably better than their current records show.
I just think Lamb's getting a bum rap and that expectations are a little high...BTW Troy is a top 25 team now with a strong defense. So all 3 of your examples for 2016 are from teams that have been, or are currently ranked nationally, and did I mention our inexperienced receivers? If Lamb is getting negativity based on his record, I feel some anxiety for the next QB, he better be pretty damn good...

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:17 am

Honestly I think the idea that our receivers are particularly inexperienced is a bit overblown. Meadors and Lewis are juniors who've played since they were freshmen. Capel is a fifth-year senior. Letman is a juco who arrived at the same time as Mondo Williams. Dante Jones is a fourth-year junior. Hopkins and Barbour are third-year sophomores. Even Mock Adams is a redshirt freshman who was considered one of our top recruits.

I understand that time in the program isn't the same as game experience. But at the least these guys should have been well-versed in our offense by week 1. And anyway, we're now 10 games into the season, so they've all got experience now, and we're still talking about a struggling passing game.

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Unread post by MtnMan09 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:39 am

EastHallApp wrote:Honestly I think the idea that our receivers are particularly inexperienced is a bit overblown. Meadors and Lewis are juniors who've played since they were freshmen. Capel is a fifth-year senior. Letman is a juco who arrived at the same time as Mondo Williams. Dante Jones is a fourth-year junior. Hopkins and Barbour are third-year sophomores. Even Mock Adams is a redshirt freshman who was considered one of our top recruits.

I understand that time in the program isn't the same as game experience. But at the least these guys should have been well-versed in our offense by week 1. And anyway, we're now 10 games into the season, so they've all got experience now, and we're still talking about a struggling passing game.
I agree. Also I like Lamb. However, I too am a little taken aback by how many are unwilling to acknowledge *some* shortcomings because we have happened to win games in his tenure. You can win games without having a fantastic QB and acknowledge that. Why do you think everyone is making a big deal about Alabama's QB this year? They were winners with subpar guys previously but now they've got a guy playing well. To sustain a drive Saturday, Meadors had to reach behind and tip the ball to himself. One of the most athletic plays I've seen in a long time. But how many times this year have we seen Lamb make that throw and miss his target. How many times have we seen him underthrow a guy running a vertical. He seldom can make that pass. Pointing that out or wishing that he could do better than manage the game and not make mistakes does not a bad fan make.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Appdoggy » Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:50 am

JTApps1 wrote:
Appdoggy wrote:Here are Lamb's stats from every full game he's played against P-5 teams and against Sun Belt teams that were/are considered good on a national level.

2014 GA Southern 23/42 256 0td 2int

2015 Clemson 9/28 95 1td 3int -- Ok, ok this was against one of the best defenses in college football

2016 Tenn. 15/23 108yds 1td 1int -- Majority of these stats came from 1-foot passes...

2016 Miami 10/21 115yds 1 td 1int

2016 Troy 14/28 167yds 0td 1int

That is an average of 50% comp. 148.2yds .6tds and 1.6int...

I am not of the opinion that Lamb doesn't have a good football mind or that he makes bad decisions because neither of those assertions are true. I think he will be a good coach some day like his father and, for the most part, he doesn't force things and knows when to throw the ball away. However, I just don't think he has the talent (arm-strength or accuracy) to perform against talented, athletic defenses. He's perfectly fine against the ULMs, ULLs, and Georgia States of the world, but lets be honest, these are some of the worst teams in college football in arguably the worst conference in college football.

I'm also not saying he's not the best we have right now because he probably is. I'm just hoping the staff has their guy in Derrick. Adding a QB that presents a real downfield threat paired with Moore in the backfield would take this team to the next level.
First, I think it is ridiculous to evenly factor games against ranked P5 teams with Sun Belt games. Second, I find it interesting you left out Lamb's numbers against Arkansas State in 2014 and 2015, ULL in 2014, and GS in 2015 which were all top teams in the conference.

2014 Ark. State: 14-22 255yds 2TD 0INT

2014 ULL: 11-22 195yds 1TD 1INT

2015 Ark. State: 22-35 321yds 4TD 1INT

2015 GS: 14-20 220yds 2TD 0INT

That is an average of 61.6% comp. 248yds 2.25TD .5INT. Interestingly enough the game he had the best stats was the only one we lost.
That is why I included the bit about being respected as good team on a national level, not in the Sun Belt. Winning a bunch of Sun Belt games isn't the best measurement as these are normally some of the worst teams in college football. 3/4 of the teams you mentioned have pretty dismal out-of-conference records against fbs teams:

2014 Ark. State: 1-3
2014 ULL: 1-3
2015 Ark. State: 0-4
2015 GS: 2-2 -- Ok this is definitely a team I should've included; after getting blown out by WVU 44-0 they went on to beat Bowling Green, W. Mich, and took Georgia to OT.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by ringac » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:08 am

MtnMan09 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:Honestly I think the idea that our receivers are particularly inexperienced is a bit overblown. Meadors and Lewis are juniors who've played since they were freshmen. Capel is a fifth-year senior. Letman is a juco who arrived at the same time as Mondo Williams. Dante Jones is a fourth-year junior. Hopkins and Barbour are third-year sophomores. Even Mock Adams is a redshirt freshman who was considered one of our top recruits.

I understand that time in the program isn't the same as game experience. But at the least these guys should have been well-versed in our offense by week 1. And anyway, we're now 10 games into the season, so they've all got experience now, and we're still talking about a struggling passing game.
I agree. Also I like Lamb. However, I too am a little taken aback by how many are unwilling to acknowledge *some* shortcomings because we have happened to win games in his tenure. You can win games without having a fantastic QB and acknowledge that. Why do you think everyone is making a big deal about Alabama's QB this year? They were winners with subpar guys previously but now they've got a guy playing well. To sustain a drive Saturday, Meadors had to reach behind and tip the ball to himself. One of the most athletic plays I've seen in a long time. But how many times this year have we seen Lamb make that throw and miss his target. How many times have we seen him underthrow a guy running a vertical. He seldom can make that pass. Pointing that out or wishing that he could do better than manage the game and not make mistakes does not a bad fan make.
I completely agree. Most people do not seem to like/agree with my previous post, and that's OK. But the only argument they can come up with "how many teams have you coached", "you must have secret game films no one else has". As a previous user already posted, the facts and stats are there. There is no arguing that. The fact is, that there are SOME fans on here that will sugarcoat everything, just because they do not want to speak ill of App. My wife and I are both went to App. We are and will remain fans. But speaking about someone's shortcomings does not make me less of a fan than anyone else.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by Rick83 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:15 am

MtnMan09 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:Honestly I think the idea that our receivers are particularly inexperienced is a bit overblown. Meadors and Lewis are juniors who've played since they were freshmen. Capel is a fifth-year senior. Letman is a juco who arrived at the same time as Mondo Williams. Dante Jones is a fourth-year junior. Hopkins and Barbour are third-year sophomores. Even Mock Adams is a redshirt freshman who was considered one of our top recruits.

I understand that time in the program isn't the same as game experience. But at the least these guys should have been well-versed in our offense by week 1. And anyway, we're now 10 games into the season, so they've all got experience now, and we're still talking about a struggling passing game.
I agree. Also I like Lamb. However, I too am a little taken aback by how many are unwilling to acknowledge *some* shortcomings because we have happened to win games in his tenure. You can win games without having a fantastic QB and acknowledge that. Why do you think everyone is making a big deal about Alabama's QB this year? They were winners with subpar guys previously but now they've got a guy playing well. To sustain a drive Saturday, Meadors had to reach behind and tip the ball to himself. One of the most athletic plays I've seen in a long time. But how many times this year have we seen Lamb make that throw and miss his target. How many times have we seen him underthrow a guy running a vertical. He seldom can make that pass. Pointing that out or wishing that he could do better than manage the game and not make mistakes does not a bad fan make.
I don't think anyone disagrees that our passing game is still struggling somewhat at this point. My issue is with the idea of putting that all on Lamb, the 2014 Sun Belt Freshman of the Year, and last year he had a great season as well and broke Armanti's single season touchdown pass record...I just can't see it all falling on Lamb. Our 2 most experienced receivers are probably Meadors and Capel, both of whom have missed significant time in their careers due to illness and injuries...we lost 3 of our top 4 receivers from last year. That's tough to replace...

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:27 am

Of the games we have lost since TL became the starter how many can you honestly say we would have won had he played better? On the flip side are there games we might have lost without his play?

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Unread post by Saint3333 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:59 am

This isn't specific to Lamb as we were one or two plays from beating UTk and Troy. So you could easily argue had he played better in those we win.

On the other hand we probably lose 2014 - Ark St. & ULM 2014, 2015 - USA and Ohio, 2016 - Akron if he doesn't play as well as he did.

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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by AppStateNews » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:12 pm

ringac wrote:I completely agree. Most people do not seem to like/agree with my previous post, and that's OK. But the only argument they can come up with "how many teams have you coached", "you must have secret game films no one else has". As a previous user already posted, the facts and stats are there. There is no arguing that. The fact is, that there are SOME fans on here that will sugarcoat everything, just because they do not want to speak ill of App. My wife and I are both went to App. We are and will remain fans. But speaking about someone's shortcomings does not make me less of a fan than anyone else.
There is a big difference between speaking of someone's shortcomings and saying you "don't think hes particularly skilled at the QB position" or "he has never shown me that he can read defenses and make adjustments." It's the way you said it that made people ask if you are a coach or been in the position rooms during film study. I don't think anyone here thinks he's the perfect QB. But again, pointing out shortcomings (i.e. not the best arm strength -- its true) is way different than "he's not good and has never made any kind of read."

Clearly you do not know much about the game of football -- especially the type of offense we run. Nearly every play Taylor gets the ball on the snap, he has to make a read of the defense -- including the jet sweeps and read option. The only plays he does not need to make a read are on the true inside and outside zone runs that don't have a run-pass option. So, to say he can't read defenses is ridiculous and just points out your lack of knowledge. On a large majority of his completions, they are on option routes. So, he has to not only read the defense, but then also be on the same page as the WR and ensure the WR is running the same route he thinks should be ran. So, not only is he reading the defense, but he is also reading the offensive player as well. For our offense to work, it requires a very knowledgeable, smart QB that will make good decisions. Taylor does just that. it's not as simple as school yard ball. If it was, we would all be out there playing college ball at some point in our life.

As far as adjustments go, you haven't seen him make those because he's not supposed to. In our offense, he doesn't audible -- the sideline does. He doesn't call out protections -- the center does.
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Re: Lamb?

Unread post by EastHallApp » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:39 pm

Rick83 wrote:
MtnMan09 wrote:
EastHallApp wrote:Honestly I think the idea that our receivers are particularly inexperienced is a bit overblown. Meadors and Lewis are juniors who've played since they were freshmen. Capel is a fifth-year senior. Letman is a juco who arrived at the same time as Mondo Williams. Dante Jones is a fourth-year junior. Hopkins and Barbour are third-year sophomores. Even Mock Adams is a redshirt freshman who was considered one of our top recruits.

I understand that time in the program isn't the same as game experience. But at the least these guys should have been well-versed in our offense by week 1. And anyway, we're now 10 games into the season, so they've all got experience now, and we're still talking about a struggling passing game.
I agree. Also I like Lamb. However, I too am a little taken aback by how many are unwilling to acknowledge *some* shortcomings because we have happened to win games in his tenure. You can win games without having a fantastic QB and acknowledge that. Why do you think everyone is making a big deal about Alabama's QB this year? They were winners with subpar guys previously but now they've got a guy playing well. To sustain a drive Saturday, Meadors had to reach behind and tip the ball to himself. One of the most athletic plays I've seen in a long time. But how many times this year have we seen Lamb make that throw and miss his target. How many times have we seen him underthrow a guy running a vertical. He seldom can make that pass. Pointing that out or wishing that he could do better than manage the game and not make mistakes does not a bad fan make.
I don't think anyone disagrees that our passing game is still struggling somewhat at this point. My issue is with the idea of putting that all on Lamb, the 2014 Sun Belt Freshman of the Year, and last year he had a great season as well and broke Armanti's single season touchdown pass record...I just can't see it all falling on Lamb. Our 2 most experienced receivers are probably Meadors and Capel, both of whom have missed significant time in their careers due to illness and injuries...we lost 3 of our top 4 receivers from last year. That's tough to replace...
I agree it's not all on Lamb. I thought our OL got outplayed Saturday. The receivers have certainly dropped some passes. I'm not sure the playcalling did him any favors either - not enough of the intermediate throws that I think are his strength, and that's been a recurring issue. And perhaps the receivers really aren't far enough along - and if that's the case for an entire position group, then I think you have to ask why, especially given that it's one that includes many of our highest-rated recruits.

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