Congratulations on the win. Hope this becomes an annual rivalry. You guys have a really good team. Rep the Sun Belt in whatever bowl you land in.Jagd1305 wrote:As a Troy fan who rarely posts on any message boards anymore, I thought I'd drop a quick post here and drift back off into message board retirement.
First off, outstanding game to your guys and very well done.
Secondly, I have to respectfully disagree with the idea Troy would win 8 times out of 10 with ASU. From last year's overtime loss there and last night's game, I see this series as a 50/50 proposition at best. This series has become a contest where victory is decide by the smallest of things; clock management over a few seconds, a five yard penalty mid game or a missed block.
The existing parity of these two schools means that the outcome is unforgiving of any slip ups at any point of the game.
Thanks for bringing that to the Sunbelt. It's an excitement that has been sorely needed.
Now it's back into the haze of the net for me...
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but we didn't and that is the pointWVAPPeer wrote:So if we had held on that 4th down who would have been the best team? ---
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I agree with a lot of things said on here. I do think that the 8 of 10 thing is realistic for them to pull off, but not an expectation. I just wanted to leave a couple of personal thoughts and observations here.
1. To Mr. Parker Collins... this is not a one time thing, this a trend. If for some reason you think people are going to correlate your late and honestly cheap hits and throwing your helmet with passion that I am not your guy. You want to be a leader? Just do you job. Mr. Gossett tends to do it very well without having to act out and throw temper tantrums. Attitude reflects leadership captain.
2. Clock management is a huge issue. Especially when you run the ball as much as we do and have had some struggles in the passing game, it is hard to throw up points very quickly. I just don't think we worry or are even coconscious of the fact this is a timed game until it is way to late. That's a coaching issue and for someone who is a game manager like Lamb needs to be thought through a little more regularly.
3. Seems like a great guy and all, but I feel like AJ Howard has kind of been exposed. He has some big hit potential and he had a huge play for us this weekend, but its still not good. The run tackling at the second level is very bad along with the angles taken makes it even worse. Also he has seemed pretty non-existent in the vertical passing game outside the hashes. Again angles are bad and he always seems a step late.
Honestly, there were a lot of good things that happened, particularly with the adjustments that we made. Its still just disheartening that a lot of the issues such as time management and the penalties tend to be reoccurring factors. That's a good ball club, but as someone already said, there is always next year.
1. To Mr. Parker Collins... this is not a one time thing, this a trend. If for some reason you think people are going to correlate your late and honestly cheap hits and throwing your helmet with passion that I am not your guy. You want to be a leader? Just do you job. Mr. Gossett tends to do it very well without having to act out and throw temper tantrums. Attitude reflects leadership captain.
2. Clock management is a huge issue. Especially when you run the ball as much as we do and have had some struggles in the passing game, it is hard to throw up points very quickly. I just don't think we worry or are even coconscious of the fact this is a timed game until it is way to late. That's a coaching issue and for someone who is a game manager like Lamb needs to be thought through a little more regularly.
3. Seems like a great guy and all, but I feel like AJ Howard has kind of been exposed. He has some big hit potential and he had a huge play for us this weekend, but its still not good. The run tackling at the second level is very bad along with the angles taken makes it even worse. Also he has seemed pretty non-existent in the vertical passing game outside the hashes. Again angles are bad and he always seems a step late.
Honestly, there were a lot of good things that happened, particularly with the adjustments that we made. Its still just disheartening that a lot of the issues such as time management and the penalties tend to be reoccurring factors. That's a good ball club, but as someone already said, there is always next year.
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But bcoach that makes my point all along - when a game comes down to 1 or 2 plays then neither team is marginally better - they made the play and won, we could just have easily made the play and they would have lost - What started me on my rant in the first place were those who said "we would lose 8 out of 10", and "watching the game Troy was clearly better" ---bcoach wrote:but we didn't and that is the pointWVAPPeer wrote:So if we had held on that 4th down who would have been the best team? ---
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Congrats to Troy on a hard-fought win. Really wish I could watch the game again, that ESPN3 broadcast was horrible, so hard to really analyze the play of the teams. I understand that I'm biased but I think Troy and App are pretty even, yes they won, but somebody's got to lose and they made one more play at the end (the long reception on 4th and 6). We definitely need to work on some time management drills in practice, both the Troy and Tennessee games may have ended in wins if the clock had been managed better at the end. What we've witnessed this year with the two "T" losses is the reality of football...small things can make a big difference. Arguably, we're literally a couple of plays from being 9 & 1 with a top 25 ranking after beating a major P5 opponent to open the season. As far as FBS transitions go, I think we need a little patience...it's impressive that we're where we are. ALSO, we're still able to maybe share the conference title, teams lose every weekend that are better on paper but the football gods mix things up so they throw in some upsets...we need to win out including the bowl game to give us momentum into next year.
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I would never say 8 out of 10 as that is a wild guess based on nothing. I am with you there. My opinion is that we also can't look at what we could of done only what we did do. They did make the play so they are better in my eyes. My opinion does not make it right it just makes it my opinion.WVAPPeer wrote:But bcoach that makes my point all along - when a game comes down to 1 or 2 plays then neither team is marginally better - they made the play and won, we could just have easily made the play and they would have lost - What started me on my rant in the first place were those who said "we would lose 8 out of 10", and "watching the game Troy was clearly better" ---bcoach wrote:but we didn't and that is the pointWVAPPeer wrote:So if we had held on that 4th down who would have been the best team? ---
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If we played 10 times, we likely split close to 50-50. But, on Saturday I perceived Troy to be the better all around team. On another day, the opposite might have been true or if we were playing at home our performance might be different. Nonetheless, by virtue of their win, they are the better team.
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Yes, I concur with both you and bcoach - again, I got involved in this subject after reading we would lose 8 of 10 and how we were manhandled by the OL and how they were clearly better the entire game - That's it - last year 3 OTs, this year down to last play - I would say we are pretty damned even - I just don't like some of our fans selling our team short ---hapapp wrote:If we played 10 times, we likely split close to 50-50. But, on Saturday I perceived Troy to be the better all around team. On another day, the opposite might have been true or if we were playing at home our performance might be different. Nonetheless, by virtue of their win, they are the better team.
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The last two years the better team won the game. That doesn't always happen in football.
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Games between two equal teams are decided by one or two plays and clock management. Clock management, play calling and penalties were the deciding factor in most of the Top 10 games on Saturday and most of the pro games on Sunday, as always. Difficult to decide when to go for it, when to punt, when to call timeout, what play to call, etc. This game was no different. I watched it with what I could see through a bad signal/transmission/fuzz. There seems to be one team that continues to avoid such mistakes or makes less than most teams - Alabama. Maybe it is because they have the best players - that helps. Even the almighty NE Patriots made these same mistakes last night. You never know when the play that tilts the game is going to happen. No way Troy beats us 8/10. Home team every time and no telling on a neutral field.
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I may just be a sore loser here, but I am not nearly as prepared to say Troy is the better team than most on here. What I saw was a very hard fought game and the home team won on a "pick it" line in the final minute bc we blew coverage on a deep pass. That sure doesn't say better to me and definitely not a win 8 out of 10. What is says to me is that once again, we made crucial mistakes that cost us the game. Mistakes that I thing fall squarely on Satterfield's shoulders. The clock management was awful, we should have had 12 more seconds, which is at least 2 pass plays, to get closer to the endzone before the final play. It is the second time this season that I feel Satt's clock management has cost us a game, imagine if we had that Troy and Tenn wins right now. Another other issue is penalties. We continue to be a heavily penalized team and I put that on discipline which is the coaches jobs. But most importantly, we didn't seem like we wanted it as badly as Troy did. Yes they are bigger than us, and yes we made boneheaded decisions, but at the end of the day they just wanted it more. That was the biggest takeaway from the game. In the biggest game of the season, with unbeaten conference foes and a title on the line, we come up limp and give them 14 points before we start to play. It was Miami all over again, except eventually we woke up and played some at Troy. I am not sure what the issue is, but this team seams to have a hard time playing to their potential when the game seems like a big deal. Hopefully, as time goes on and Satt gets more experience, all these issues will be but distant memories of yet another title we let get away.
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I agree.t4pizza wrote:I may just be a sore loser here, but I am not nearly as prepared to say Troy is the better team than most on here. What I saw was a very hard fought game and the home team won on a "pick it" line in the final minute bc we blew coverage on a deep pass. That sure doesn't say better to me and definitely not a win 8 out of 10. What is says to me is that once again, we made crucial mistakes that cost us the game. Mistakes that I thing fall squarely on Satterfield's shoulders. The clock management was awful, we should have had 12 more seconds, which is at least 2 pass plays, to get closer to the endzone before the final play. It is the second time this season that I feel Satt's clock management has cost us a game, imagine if we had that Troy and Tenn wins right now. Another other issue is penalties. We continue to be a heavily penalized team and I put that on discipline which is the coaches jobs. But most importantly, we didn't seem like we wanted it as badly as Troy did. Yes they are bigger than us, and yes we made boneheaded decisions, but at the end of the day they just wanted it more. That was the biggest takeaway from the game. In the biggest game of the season, with unbeaten conference foes and a title on the line, we come up limp and give them 14 points before we start to play. It was Miami all over again, except eventually we woke up and played some at Troy. I am not sure what the issue is, but this team seams to have a hard time playing to their potential when the game seems like a big deal. Hopefully, as time goes on and Satt gets more experience, all these issues will be but distant memories of yet another title we let get away.
If Troy was a better team athletically they wouldn't have needed a prayer on 4th and 6 to beat us after all the mistakes we made. They made a few mistakes as well, but we had one after another. We are talented enough to beat them, but we didn't play any where close to our best Saturday. The only way they were the better team was by making less mistakes which on Saturday is what won them the game.
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Not making mistakes is part of what makes a team better. That is just a fact. Ask any coach. It is a big part of what they do. We are not a bad team, we are a good team and I am proud of them. We just were not the best team.JTApps1 wrote:I agree.t4pizza wrote:I may just be a sore loser here, but I am not nearly as prepared to say Troy is the better team than most on here. What I saw was a very hard fought game and the home team won on a "pick it" line in the final minute bc we blew coverage on a deep pass. That sure doesn't say better to me and definitely not a win 8 out of 10. What is says to me is that once again, we made crucial mistakes that cost us the game. Mistakes that I thing fall squarely on Satterfield's shoulders. The clock management was awful, we should have had 12 more seconds, which is at least 2 pass plays, to get closer to the endzone before the final play. It is the second time this season that I feel Satt's clock management has cost us a game, imagine if we had that Troy and Tenn wins right now. Another other issue is penalties. We continue to be a heavily penalized team and I put that on discipline which is the coaches jobs. But most importantly, we didn't seem like we wanted it as badly as Troy did. Yes they are bigger than us, and yes we made boneheaded decisions, but at the end of the day they just wanted it more. That was the biggest takeaway from the game. In the biggest game of the season, with unbeaten conference foes and a title on the line, we come up limp and give them 14 points before we start to play. It was Miami all over again, except eventually we woke up and played some at Troy. I am not sure what the issue is, but this team seams to have a hard time playing to their potential when the game seems like a big deal. Hopefully, as time goes on and Satt gets more experience, all these issues will be but distant memories of yet another title we let get away.
If Troy was a better team athletically they wouldn't have needed a prayer on 4th and 6 to beat us after all the mistakes we made. They made a few mistakes as well, but we had one after another. We are talented enough to beat them, but we didn't play any where close to our best Saturday. The only way they were the better team was by making less mistakes which on Saturday is what won them the game.
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"Not making mistakes is part of what makes a team better. That is just a fact. Ask any coach. It is a big part of what they do. We are not a bad team, we are a good team and I am proud of them. We just were not the best team."
I get what you are saying here, but I would argue it also comes down more to making plays and taking advantage of the other teams mistakes. In this game, we had one more turnover than they did and they had more penalties for more yards than we did. Both teams had some dropped passes. Mistakes were a toss-up in my opinion. Collins' penalty was bone headed without a doubt and costly. Clock management was also faulty on our part. In the end Troy made more plays in this game and thus were better in this game ( and that is all we get to play them this year). They are not 8 out of 10 games better than us but again that is just my opinion.
I get what you are saying here, but I would argue it also comes down more to making plays and taking advantage of the other teams mistakes. In this game, we had one more turnover than they did and they had more penalties for more yards than we did. Both teams had some dropped passes. Mistakes were a toss-up in my opinion. Collins' penalty was bone headed without a doubt and costly. Clock management was also faulty on our part. In the end Troy made more plays in this game and thus were better in this game ( and that is all we get to play them this year). They are not 8 out of 10 games better than us but again that is just my opinion.
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That can change on a per game basis so yes they were "better" by basically one play Saturday, but I refuse to believe they are an outright better team overall.bcoach wrote:Not making mistakes is part of what makes a team better. That is just a fact. Ask any coach. It is a big part of what they do. We are not a bad team, we are a good team and I am proud of them. We just were not the best team.JTApps1 wrote:I agree.t4pizza wrote:I may just be a sore loser here, but I am not nearly as prepared to say Troy is the better team than most on here. What I saw was a very hard fought game and the home team won on a "pick it" line in the final minute bc we blew coverage on a deep pass. That sure doesn't say better to me and definitely not a win 8 out of 10. What is says to me is that once again, we made crucial mistakes that cost us the game. Mistakes that I thing fall squarely on Satterfield's shoulders. The clock management was awful, we should have had 12 more seconds, which is at least 2 pass plays, to get closer to the endzone before the final play. It is the second time this season that I feel Satt's clock management has cost us a game, imagine if we had that Troy and Tenn wins right now. Another other issue is penalties. We continue to be a heavily penalized team and I put that on discipline which is the coaches jobs. But most importantly, we didn't seem like we wanted it as badly as Troy did. Yes they are bigger than us, and yes we made boneheaded decisions, but at the end of the day they just wanted it more. That was the biggest takeaway from the game. In the biggest game of the season, with unbeaten conference foes and a title on the line, we come up limp and give them 14 points before we start to play. It was Miami all over again, except eventually we woke up and played some at Troy. I am not sure what the issue is, but this team seams to have a hard time playing to their potential when the game seems like a big deal. Hopefully, as time goes on and Satt gets more experience, all these issues will be but distant memories of yet another title we let get away.
If Troy was a better team athletically they wouldn't have needed a prayer on 4th and 6 to beat us after all the mistakes we made. They made a few mistakes as well, but we had one after another. We are talented enough to beat them, but we didn't play any where close to our best Saturday. The only way they were the better team was by making less mistakes which on Saturday is what won them the game.
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Fundamentals... and time management. If screw those up... Whelp... there ya go. May need to adjust some of the coaching staff if it continues. Fundamentals and time management.
After a 112 regular season wins, Mount Union lost Saturday... Thus ends the record for NCAA regular season winning streak record.
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I have watched them win their last 4 national championships in Salem VA.WXAPP wrote:Fundamentals... and time management. If screw those up... Whelp... there ya go. May need to adjust some of the coaching staff if it continues. Fundamentals and time management.
After a 112 regular season wins, Mount Union lost Saturday... Thus ends the record for NCAA regular season winning streak record.
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Also: that lateral that they called a forward pass or whatever was clearly a fumble. Scott should have challenged it
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There was also a no-call on pass interference when one of our receivers got mugged. The announcers sluffed it off and said they liked that the refs were "letting them play" but that would have been called in any game I've watched this year. There was a pass interference called on App in the first half where I don't think we had nearly the contact involved. I'm not making excuses....just saying there are always things that can be picked apart. Sometimes the breaks go the other way.diehardapp18 wrote:Also: that lateral that they called a forward pass or whatever was clearly a fumble. Scott should have challenged it