11-1 and SBC champs per Massey Ratings

[bcoach]

When we play teams with players who are bigger and faster than we are it is a little disingenuous to blame it on coaching.

While I tend to agree, prior to opening against Rocky Top, would you have put the U and the Vols in the same "bigger and faster" category? I thought the coaches had a superb game plan that was executed almost flawlessly against UT. This lends credence to your assessment since App had to play above their heads to be in the game that late. A lucky bounce or a couple of kicks wins the game.

The same can not be said about Miami. When the defense is still looking at the sideline for the play call while the ball is being snapped, that's 100% coaching or lack there of. Obviously I'd love to see App win every game. However, if App is going to lose, I want the other team to know they were just in a dog fight. I love our staff but to pretend or dismiss them being out coached against the U is disingenuous.

While I agree with you on the play calling ( and that was not the only game that has happened ) I highly doubt that we would have won anyway. You do bring up a very good point though as that was not a one game deal.

[ASUGoose]

I'd take a 10-2 season all day with the caveat that we keep the UGA and Wake games somewhat competitive. Don't want to see another Miami in either of those games.

[WVAPPeer]

I will say this - and those who have read my posts over the years will know this is rare for me - and that is - The Wake Forest game is the most important game we have played since the 3rd NC game victory over Delaware - If we don't beat a middle of the pack ACC team on our home field, a school we have beaten in the past as a 1-AA member, it will be a crushing defeat. We can all stop beating our chests about being a "premier" team in the state, or complaining about not getting respect, or bitching and moaning about teams who "are afraid to play us", etc. - Will it be the end of APP football? - Hell No !!! - but it will be a huge kick in our wannabe big-boys ass...

[moonshine]

While I agree with you on the play calling ( and that was not the only game that has happened ) I highly doubt that we would have won anyway. You do bring up a very good point though as that was not a one game deal.

Not disagreeing with that assessment but I didn't expect to get shellacked at home by 35 either.

The Wake Forest game is the most important game we have played since the 3rd NC game victory over Delaware - If we don't beat a middle of the pack ACC team on our home field, a school we have beaten in the past as a 1-AA member, it will be a crushing defeat.

I tend to agree with you on the importance of this game. Not so much that it will be a crushing defeat if App loses a competitive game but you have to feel good about finally getting to play Weak at the Rock. Now if the Deacs beat our Mountaineers by more than 10 then, yes, it will be crushing. If we look at where both programs were the last time we played up to this point, I'd say App has made more progress. This leads me to have higher expectations but make no mistake, Weak should be pretty decent this year. Their record may have been better last year had they not had someone giving the other teams their plays.

[WataugaMan]

I will say this - and those who have read my posts over the years will know this is rare for me - and that is - The Wake Forest game is the most important game we have played since the 3rd NC game victory over Delaware - If we don't beat a middle of the pack ACC team on our home field, a school we have beaten in the past as a 1-AA member, it will be a crushing defeat. We can all stop beating our chests about being a "premier" team in the state, or complaining about not getting respect, or bitching and moaning about teams who "are afraid to play us", etc. - Will it be the end of APP football? - Hell No !!! - but it will be a huge kick in our wannabe big-boys ass...

Agree 110%, if there is a game to indicate that we have "turned the corner" no doubt this is that game!

[T-Dog]

Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt. Yes Miami had better players, but they used them very well and exploited our weaknesses. I think Satt would admit that as well. It was a tough learning experience for a program, from head coach to players, who had never been in that position of hosting a power conference opponent before.

I guarantee you that when Wake week comes, Satt and the seniors will bring up how the Miami game was a learning experience for them.

[CVAPP]

Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt. Yes Miami had better players, but they used them very well and exploited our weaknesses. I think Satt would admit that as well. It was a tough learning experience for a program, from head coach to players, who had never been in that position of hosting a power conference opponent before.

I guarantee you that when Wake week comes, Satt and the seniors will bring up how the Miami game was a learning experience for them.

Blasphemous! Satt is a deity and beyond reproach. To make, let alone share such an observation is an insult

[WataugaMan]

Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt. Yes Miami had better players, but they used them very well and exploited our weaknesses. I think Satt would admit that as well. It was a tough learning experience for a program, from head coach to players, who had never been in that position of hosting a power conference opponent before.

I guarantee you that when Wake week comes, Satt and the seniors will bring up how the Miami game was a learning experience for them.

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!"

[bcoach]

Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt. Yes Miami had better players, but they used them very well and exploited our weaknesses. I think Satt would admit that as well. It was a tough learning experience for a program, from head coach to players, who had never been in that position of hosting a power conference opponent before.

I guarantee you that when Wake week comes, Satt and the seniors will bring up how the Miami game was a learning experience for them.

Blasphemous! Satt is a deity and beyond reproach. To make, let alone share such an observation is an insult

I have not seen anyone say that but to say coaching lost the game is a little silly.

[WVAPPeer]

"Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt."

Again - I cannot agree with this in any way - How can a coach with significantly less talent (16 Miami players just from this past years class are in NFL camps) be outcoached??? - If it were the other way around, then sure - When coaches have basically equal talent then the term "outcoached" can come into play - Exp. - Coach K almost always outcoaches Roy - most times they have at least equal talent and some times UNC has more talent and Duke has won something like 13 out of the last 17 ---
If you want to say "they have better players and used them very well and exploited our weaknesses" as you did say, then I agree 100% but I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent ---

[NewApp]

Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt. Yes Miami had better players, but they used them very well and exploited our weaknesses. I think Satt would admit that as well. It was a tough learning experience for a program, from head coach to players, who had never been in that position of hosting a power conference opponent before.

I guarantee you that when Wake week comes, Satt and the seniors will bring up how the Miami game was a learning experience for them.

Blasphemous! Satt is a deity and beyond reproach. To make, let alone share such an observation is an insult

I have not seen anyone say that but to say coaching lost the game is a little silly.

It's beyond silly.

[ukappfan]

Miami kept throwing quick throws to their very fast WRs and we just could not adjust or stop it. Then when we finally stopped that, they hit us deep. They were too fast and had a simply game plan that worked. We were too amped up for the game.

[T-Dog]

I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent

This is fundamentally wrong. You can be outcoached even with inferior talent. If Miami won 70-0, would you still be harping on their "overwhelming" talent?

[WVAPPeer]

I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent

This is fundamentally wrong. You can be outcoached even with inferior talent. If Miami won 70-0, would you still be harping on their "overwhelming" talent?

Wasn't the score 24-10 in the 3rd quarter? Should of have been 24-17, correct? That's a long way from 70-0... Sure, if you are a lousy coach you can be outcoached...

[NewApp]

I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent

This is fundamentally wrong. You can be outcoached even with inferior talent. If Miami won 70-0, would you still be harping on their "overwhelming" talent?

Wasn't the score 24-10 in the 3rd quarter? Should of have been 24-17, correct? That's a long way from 70-0... Sure, if you are a lousy coach you can be outcoached...

And we certainly don't have lousy coaches by a long shot.

[T-Dog]

I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent

This is fundamentally wrong. You can be outcoached even with inferior talent. If Miami won 70-0, would you still be harping on their "overwhelming" talent?

Wasn't the score 24-10 in the 3rd quarter? Should of have been 24-17, correct? That's a long way from 70-0... Sure, if you are a lousy coach you can be outcoached...

You didn't answer the question.

[EastHallApp]

"Regarding the Miami game, Richt out-coached Satt."

Again - I cannot agree with this in any way - How can a coach with significantly less talent (16 Miami players just from this past years class are in NFL camps) be outcoached??? - If it were the other way around, then sure - When coaches have basically equal talent then the term "outcoached" can come into play - Exp. - Coach K almost always outcoaches Roy - most times they have at least equal talent and some times UNC has more talent and Duke has won something like 13 out of the last 17 ---
If you want to say "they have better players and used them very well and exploited our weaknesses" as you did say, then I agree 100% but I just find it IMPOSSIBLE to be outcoached when the opponent had overwhelming talent ---

Not sure about that comparison. Or perhaps you don't pay much attention to basketball recruiting or the NBA Draft. Nobody has had more talent than K the past few years.

And yes, a coach with less talent can also be outcoached. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[EastHallApp]

I'd take a 10-2 season all day with the caveat that we keep the UGA and Wake games somewhat competitive. Don't want to see another Miami in either of those games.

Is there any App fan who would really be remotely satisfied to be "somewhat competitive" against Wake? This isn't Miami, Tennessee or UGA we're talking about. If we lose that game by one point we will get zero credit for it. All people will say is that we talk a good game but we couldn't even beat the weak sisters of the ACC on our home field.

[WVAPPeer]

Define your meaning of out-coached --- I did answer, a lousy coach can be out-coached and if we had lost to Miami last year 70-0 then sure but to prove your point by stating the ridiculous is not convincing to me --- The premise of my point is that both head coaches are at least solid coaches, if not good to very good coaches, thus my example of K and Roy - And for EastHall if you go back and read one of my initial points I say, "if the coaches have basically the same level of talent" which is exactly what I meant with Duke and UNC - I didn't pick Duke and Boston College nor UNC and Ga Tech - I would hope you would agree that Duke and UNC are much more equal in talent in basketball than Miami and APP in football?
As UKappfan points out --- "Miami kept throwing quick throws to their very fast WRs and we just could not adjust or stop it. Then when we finally stopped that, they hit us deep. They were too fast and had a simply game plan that worked. " Thus my question to TDog about defining your meaning of out-coached - Does UK's example mean Coach Satterfield was out-coached? It does not to me, to me it states that a good coach with overwhelming talent used that talent properly - Please tell me how that means Satterfield was out-coached? - What great coaching ideas would you have passed onto him if you were up in the box that day?

[NewApp]

Define your meaning of out-coached --- I did answer, a lousy coach can be out-coached and if we had lost to Miami last year 70-0 then sure but to prove your point by stating the ridiculous is not convincing to me --- The premise of my point is that both head coaches are at least solid coaches, if not good to very good coaches, thus my example of K and Roy - And for EastHall if you go back and read one of my initial points I say, "if the coaches have basically the same level of talent" which is exactly what I meant with Duke and UNC - I didn't pick Duke and Boston College nor UNC and Ga Tech - I would hope you would agree that Duke and UNC are much more equal in talent in basketball than Miami and APP in football?
As UKappfan points out --- "Miami kept throwing quick throws to their very fast WRs and we just could not adjust or stop it. Then when we finally stopped that, they hit us deep. They were too fast and had a simply game plan that worked. " Thus my question to TDog about defining your meaning of out-coached - Does UK's example mean Coach Satterfield was out-coached? It does not to me, to me it states that a good coach with overwhelming talent used that talent properly - Please tell me how that means Satterfield was out-coached? - What great coaching ideas would you have passed onto him if you were up in the box that day?

You have to realize that most of the ones who incessantly debate coaching decisions after every game and on year round think they know more than Div I coaches.