Stadium parking deck

[kornegaylw]

When I see this new picture of what west campus is going to look like I'm in awe.

It looks amazing!

I tailgated in the Rivers St deck all through my time in Boone and I loved it. Having been to countless tailgates at NCSU I actually prefer a deck for tailgating. You're always in the shade, out of the elements and the ground is never wet. And its never hot in Boone y'all! Its either beautiful or frozen (Which is an advantage for us).

This new deck needs bathroom facilities though. If you've tailgated in the rivers deck you know what I mean.

Given the space that looks available behind the new Justice, is it possible that another parking deck could go there as well if there is the need?

[Rekdiver]

Bowie and Eggers are 39 and 38 years old....The rooms are crap now. I believe that the new dorms will offer better opportunities for renovation.

[BeauFoster]

Bowie and Eggers are 39 and 38 years old....The rooms are crap now. I believe that the new dorms will offer better opportunities for renovation.

Bowie and Eggers were crap in 1998, I can’t imagine how they've aged since then. We need the space and these dorms will create it, in addition to making that side of campus better from a visual and environmental standpoint.

[appgrouch]

Build a new dorm in place of the old one that was torn down, then remodel one dorm at a time like was done with Doughton, White etc. With that phasing, maybe we could actually afford to pay for those projects ourselves, and not put these projects in the hands of private developers that we will have to pay rent to for decades, then buy an aging building outright or risk losing it.

Per the BOG Docs: "At the expiration or earlier termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the
Leased Property will revert to Appalachian and ownership of the Project
will be transferred to Appalachian free and clear of all liens and
encumbrances, without any contribution or compensation. At the expiration
or termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the Project must be in good
and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of
the buildings. "

We have done the phased renovation and replacement for years and we have never been able to keep pace with the aging of the building due to the complexity of renovations (abatement and major code compliance issues) and funding issues (state money and over extended debt on facilities). It takes 18-24 months to renovate a dorm and about the same time to build new that will be cheaper to maintain in the long run.

Per the University, it would have cost another $73 Million to do the same project and with the P3 they don't have to take the lowest bid from the state. The Choate can bring in their subs that they can control and not have to deal with who got the lowest bid. In the long run, we will get better constructed buildings for a lower cost than we could do it through the state.

Just in time to replace or spend huge funds on renovation. Just so the PTBs are aware and prepared for that a decade down the road.

the Project must be in good and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of the buildings.

The buildings will be upkept and maintained. Plus newer construction is about 150% easier to reno and upgrade that the 60's-70's era of the current dorms.

[The Rock]

Build a new dorm in place of the old one that was torn down, then remodel one dorm at a time like was done with Doughton, White etc. With that phasing, maybe we could actually afford to pay for those projects ourselves, and not put these projects in the hands of private developers that we will have to pay rent to for decades, then buy an aging building outright or risk losing it.

Per the BOG Docs: "At the expiration or earlier termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the
Leased Property will revert to Appalachian and ownership of the Project
will be transferred to Appalachian free and clear of all liens and
encumbrances, without any contribution or compensation. At the expiration
or termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the Project must be in good
and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of
the buildings. "

We have done the phased renovation and replacement for years and we have never been able to keep pace with the aging of the building due to the complexity of renovations (abatement and major code compliance issues) and funding issues (state money and over extended debt on facilities). It takes 18-24 months to renovate a dorm and about the same time to build new that will be cheaper to maintain in the long run.

Per the University, it would have cost another $73 Million to do the same project and with the P3 they don't have to take the lowest bid from the state. The Choate can bring in their subs that they can control and not have to deal with who got the lowest bid. In the long run, we will get better constructed buildings for a lower cost than we could do it through the state.

Just in time to replace or spend huge funds on renovation. Just so the PTBs are aware and prepared for that a decade down the road.

the Project must be in good and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of the buildings.

The buildings will be upkept and maintained. Plus newer construction is about 150% easier to reno and upgrade that the 60's-70's era of the current dorms.

Good and operable is pretty vague. What is good? Good for a 30 year old building? See comments above on the condition of other buildings of similar age.
Operable? Can you walk in it? Yup, it’s operable.

Not trying to be all gloom and doom as it seems, but just because you don’t take the low bidder doesn’t mean you automatically get a better product. Those private developers are out to maximize profits too.
I’m sure it will all be fine, I am just nervous that a fall Saturday in Boone may not be as magical as it has been, and the lack of consideration for the overall game day experience

[Goapps15]

I think the game day experience may be harmed for one-two years. Overall that’s minimal. Also helps that this years home schedule is a drag.

Next year you have Troy, UL and stAte. Following years will be better as well from a gameday experience.

The improvement in our student body from these changes will be vast. Dorms are very high on the list for many students making decisions.

[BUTCH1991]

As long as App is playing, the home schedule looks good to me.

[t4pizza]

I have 4 kids that all went or are currently in college and not a one of them or any of their friends had any concern over dorms when picking a school. My daughter's rooms at Dartmouth were laughable in size and lack of conveniences (couldn't use hair dryer, etc) and my son lived in Jennings last year at UF and it was standing when my father in law graduated from UF in the early 70s. I think it's great that we are building new dorms and the west side of campus will look great with the new improvements. I just don't buy the company line that we need new dorms to attract students. Not to say it isn't of any consideration, I just think it is so far down the list of reasons to attend a school that it is a non factor for the vast vast majority of students.

[Yosef84]

I have 4 kids that all went or are currently in college and not a one of them or any of their friends had any concern over dorms when picking a school. My daughter's rooms at Dartmouth were laughable in size and lack of conveniences (couldn't use hair dryer, etc) and my son lived in Jennings last year at UF and it was standing when my father in law graduated from UF in the early 70s. I think it's great that we are building new dorms and the west side of campus will look great with the new improvements. I just don't buy the company line that we need new dorms to attract students. Not to say it isn't of any consideration, I just think it is so far down the list of reasons to attend a school that it is a non factor for the vast vast majority of students.

I "kind of" agree with you about the need to build the new dorms in order to attract students. That said, UF and Dartmouth aren't in the same stage of growth that we are. They rely on other factors to attract their students. App has been going through a transition in image but we still have to work harder to attract some of those students than schools that are more established in their niche. I guess I'm ok with the administration trying to be as competitive as we can be...using whatever resources we can use.

Regarding the other posts where folks are concerns about impacts on the game-day atmosphere, I really cannot see this negatively impacting that. Yes, for 2 or 3 years the construction will be a pain but I wager that the game-day atmosphere doesn't drops a bit. It might even improve! Our game-day experience is awesome because of our fans, the beauty all around Boone and our product on the field! There will still be beautiful foliage all around....Howards Knob in view and KBS. I know that change is hard. It is for me too, but a parking lot is NOT the key to our game-day experience!

[Mjohn1988]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

[GregPercussion]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

[Rick83]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

A professor last year told us that the state legislature wanted App to get to 20,000 students so that's the goal they've been working towards.

[AppSt94]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

A professor last year told us that the state legislature wanted App to get to 20,000 students so that's the goal they've been working towards.

Just curious, but what is the need to get to 20K? Is there some federal funding or something that calls for us to get to a certain number of college students in the state?

[Rick83]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

A professor last year told us that the state legislature wanted App to get to 20,000 students so that's the goal they've been working towards.

Just curious, but what is the need to get to 20K? Is there some federal funding or something that calls for us to get to a certain number of college students in the state?

The professor didn't elaborate on the why but she was voicing a mild concern that she didn't want the quality of accepted students to go down with the push to get bigger.

[GregPercussion]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

A professor last year told us that the state legislature wanted App to get to 20,000 students so that's the goal they've been working towards.

Just curious, but what is the need to get to 20K? Is there some federal funding or something that calls for us to get to a certain number of college students in the state?

The professor didn't elaborate on the why but she was voicing a mild concern that she didn't want the quality of accepted students to go down with the push to get bigger.

And Appalachian is the lowest in the UNC system with per pupil spending. https://www.northcarolina.edu/sites/def ... -17-18.pdf And we have been for years. Now it isn't a hard fact that we're going to get a bump in funds once we hit 20k but that's been the suggestion.

Also attached is a UNC study from about a year ago as well about the link between attendance and cost. https://www.northcarolina.edu/apps/bog/ ... 4&code=bog another way they determine funding.

Again I say more students = more money. But Appalachian is smart and wants to get there with slow and steady growth over these next couple years and provide the quality we expect from them.

[AppDawg]

I don’t think App is having problems attracting students. Just my opinion but I think App should cap the student population and save what’s left of the “small town” feel that Boone still has. Bigger isn’t always better and being exclusive can really drive demand for the existing spots.

The University is committed to consistent "slow and steady growth". They want our total students to grow each year. More students = more money. They don't wanna double the student population but we're closing in on 20,000 in the next few years and it's a great thing for App. The magic on the mountain will still be there.

A professor last year told us that the state legislature wanted App to get to 20,000 students so that's the goal they've been working towards.

Just curious, but what is the need to get to 20K? Is there some federal funding or something that calls for us to get to a certain number of college students in the state?

We receive the lowest funding per student from the State in the entire UNC System. Around 2008 timeframe (maybe off a year or two) funding was capped such that the only way App (or any other system school) will receive more funding is by increasing enrollment or BOG/legislative action. Action has been taken for others in the system, but we haven’t been able to receive traction from BOG nor Legislature despite having an Alumni sit as BOG chairman twice during that window.

Our past sort of haunts us as we are still perceived in those circles with the 2nd/3rd tier schools in the system (view when caps put in place). It is well known the State and BOG curry favor to the ACC schools, ECU & Science & Math... we need to pierce that veil to really take the next step. In my opinion, this is where Athletics could really help perception (had to plug that since this is an athletic board). Until then, Enrollment growth & fundraising + Endowment growth is the recipe to increased funding.

Every $10 helps.

[AppDawg]

Build a new dorm in place of the old one that was torn down, then remodel one dorm at a time like was done with Doughton, White etc. With that phasing, maybe we could actually afford to pay for those projects ourselves, and not put these projects in the hands of private developers that we will have to pay rent to for decades, then buy an aging building outright or risk losing it.

Per the BOG Docs: "At the expiration or earlier termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the
Leased Property will revert to Appalachian and ownership of the Project
will be transferred to Appalachian free and clear of all liens and
encumbrances, without any contribution or compensation. At the expiration
or termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the Project must be in good
and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of
the buildings. "

We have done the phased renovation and replacement for years and we have never been able to keep pace with the aging of the building due to the complexity of renovations (abatement and major code compliance issues) and funding issues (state money and over extended debt on facilities). It takes 18-24 months to renovate a dorm and about the same time to build new that will be cheaper to maintain in the long run.

Per the University, it would have cost another $73 Million to do the same project and with the P3 they don't have to take the lowest bid from the state. The Choate can bring in their subs that they can control and not have to deal with who got the lowest bid. In the long run, we will get better constructed buildings for a lower cost than we could do it through the state.

Just in time to replace or spend huge funds on renovation. Just so the PTBs are aware and prepared for that a decade down the road.

the Project must be in good and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of the buildings.

The buildings will be upkept and maintained. Plus newer construction is about 150% easier to reno and upgrade that the 60's-70's era of the current dorms.

Good and operable is pretty vague. What is good? Good for a 30 year old building? See comments above on the condition of other buildings of similar age.
Operable? Can you walk in it? Yup, it’s operable.

Not trying to be all gloom and doom as it seems, but just because you don’t take the low bidder doesn’t mean you automatically get a better product. Those private developers are out to maximize profits too.
I’m sure it will all be fine, I am just nervous that a fall Saturday in Boone may not be as magical as it has been, and the lack of consideration for the overall game day experience

I think the better way to look at it is the cost to bring Bowie, Eggers, etc up to current construction code is more costly than building new from the ground up.

The way the code works, if you so much as “touch” it, it must adhere to 2019 standards.

[/\PP ST/\TE GRAD 09]

Speaking of dorms. I had the biggest cock block of a roommate my first year at App in Justice. No real value with this post, just saw Justice and dorms and it brought back memories.

[appgrouch]

Speaking of dorms. I had the biggest cock block of a roommate my first year at App in Justice. No real value with this post, just saw Justice and dorms and it brought back memories.

[The Rock]

Per the BOG Docs: "At the expiration or earlier termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the
Leased Property will revert to Appalachian and ownership of the Project
will be transferred to Appalachian free and clear of all liens and
encumbrances, without any contribution or compensation. At the expiration
or termination of the Ground Lease Agreement, the Project must be in good
and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of
the buildings. "

We have done the phased renovation and replacement for years and we have never been able to keep pace with the aging of the building due to the complexity of renovations (abatement and major code compliance issues) and funding issues (state money and over extended debt on facilities). It takes 18-24 months to renovate a dorm and about the same time to build new that will be cheaper to maintain in the long run.

Per the University, it would have cost another $73 Million to do the same project and with the P3 they don't have to take the lowest bid from the state. The Choate can bring in their subs that they can control and not have to deal with who got the lowest bid. In the long run, we will get better constructed buildings for a lower cost than we could do it through the state.

Just in time to replace or spend huge funds on renovation. Just so the PTBs are aware and prepared for that a decade down the road.

the Project must be in good and operable condition, subject to the age and reasonable wear and tear of the buildings.

The buildings will be upkept and maintained. Plus newer construction is about 150% easier to reno and upgrade that the 60's-70's era of the current dorms.

Good and operable is pretty vague. What is good? Good for a 30 year old building? See comments above on the condition of other buildings of similar age.
Operable? Can you walk in it? Yup, it’s operable.

Not trying to be all gloom and doom as it seems, but just because you don’t take the low bidder doesn’t mean you automatically get a better product. Those private developers are out to maximize profits too.
I’m sure it will all be fine, I am just nervous that a fall Saturday in Boone may not be as magical as it has been, and the lack of consideration for the overall game day experience

I think the better way to look at it is the cost to bring Bowie, Eggers, etc up to current construction code is more costly than building new from the ground up.

The way the code works, if you so much as “touch” it, it must adhere to 2019 standards.

What code is this?
NC has an existing building code that allows you to not bring everything in compliance when renovating. There are formulas and calculations and if the results are less than 1, you do not have to bring it into compliance.
Is there some different standard for dorms?
I know for a fact there are several businesses (bars) in downtown Boone that have renovated and upgraded their buildings and not had to add sprinklers as current code requires, much to the dismay of the fire dept, by using the existing building code