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Unread post by Yosef10 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:42 am

diehardapp18 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:34 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm
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But this is the first time we had this level of talent going into a game against a non ranked P5. If our defense looked like last 2 seasons mixed with this Drink offense (add Sutton), I would be disappointed if we didn’t win by double digits against both Carolinas. I think we are all having amnesia regarding how great this defense was last year. With Zacs injury and some of the tight spots we out our defense last year, they ALWAYS came through. They weren’t perfect, but dang were they special.
What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
For the record, I still love Drink. I think he’s a brilliant mind that will do great things here. However, when he got hired a lot of us thought his only mistake was making Ted Roof DC. Seriously, that’s the only thing I complained about. Those complaints already have validation. So many of us saw that being a disaster hire from a mile away.

With that being said, we are indeed 2-0 and could have a dominant offense
If you want to believe this is “validation” after a one game sample while, as i keep saying, working in new guys at absolutely key positions (most importantly the NT spot that the entire defense revolves around) then be my guest, but that’s a bit irrational TBH. Not saying Roof is Bryan Brown but it’s wild to react this way after one game and trying to bring new guys up to speed.

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Unread post by AppDawg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:45 am

asu7 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:33 pm
Is the whole presser posted yet? I love the pressers. Drink is a good coach ... I believe that. O is doing what it needs to. I hope Drink fixes our D back.
https://appstatesports.com/news/2019/9/ ... h=football

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Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:46 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:42 am
diehardapp18 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:34 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm


What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
For the record, I still love Drink. I think he’s a brilliant mind that will do great things here. However, when he got hired a lot of us thought his only mistake was making Ted Roof DC. Seriously, that’s the only thing I complained about. Those complaints already have validation. So many of us saw that being a disaster hire from a mile away.

With that being said, we are indeed 2-0 and could have a dominant offense
If you want to believe this is “validation” after a one game sample while, as i keep saying, working in new guys at absolutely key positions (most importantly the NT spot that the entire defense revolves around) then be my guest, but that’s a bit irrational TBH. Not saying Roof is Bryan Brown but it’s wild to react this way after one game and trying to bring new guys up to speed.
When ted roof has never fielded a good defense anywhere hes been, it's not a one game sample. It's a career sample

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by Yosef10 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am

appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm
appstatealum wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:53 pm

But this is the first time we had this level of talent going into a game against a non ranked P5. If our defense looked like last 2 seasons mixed with this Drink offense (add Sutton), I would be disappointed if we didn’t win by double digits against both Carolinas. I think we are all having amnesia regarding how great this defense was last year. With Zacs injury and some of the tight spots we out our defense last year, they ALWAYS came through. They weren’t perfect, but dang were they special.
What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:54 am

I keep going back to the expression we used for Drink- handed keys to a great sports car- don’t wreck it. That was probably mostly said in reference to the offense.

My take on Roof and the defense is that we really have most of the talent back and we should not get gashed

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Unread post by Black Saturday » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:54 am

ASUTodd wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:45 pm
And we have two of the most important games in our programs history this year.... UNC and USC. Both were winnable games coming into this season. For me, loosing them would be a step back.
After sleeping on this defensive performance, I'm worried we might have 4-5 losses this season. Maybe Darrynton Evans can play defense too?
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Re: 2-0

Unread post by AppSt12 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:27 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm


What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.

I'm a different poster but you dont get alot from schemes vs an FCS team. Last night showed what roof has done. Horrifying.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by appstatealum » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:33 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm


What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.
I did point out the concerns with defense last week. ETSU did the dame things but couldn't capitalize on them like UNCC did with better athletes. I noted we really weren't generating pressure with 3DL and that if we blitzed more, we would be exposing our young DBs. I wasn't overly critical after game 1because I needed a two game aggregate. My conclusion is that Roof has been unable to make the necessary adjustments. Our players shouldn't be on the sidelines pleading to go back to a 3-4 base. If they don't believe in it and feel they are out of position, we have problems. *inside info*
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Re: 2-0

Unread post by yosef69 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:37 am

appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:33 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am

OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.
I did point out the concerns with defense last week. ETSU did the dame things but couldn't capitalize on them like UNCC did with better athletes. I noted we really weren't generating pressure with 3DL and that if we blitzed more, we would be exposing our young DBs. I wasn't overly critical after game 1because I needed a two game aggregate. My conclusion is that Roof has been unable to make the necessary adjustments. Our players shouldn't be on the sidelines pleading to go back to a 3-4 base. If they don't believe in it and feel they are out of position, we have problems. *inside info*
If this is really true drink needs to step in and make ted go back to 3-4 before he loses the team. If he refuses, hes fired. Plain and simple.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by Appster99 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:49 am

App91 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:03 pm
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Aside for a few run fits, we shut down their running game. Reynolds played like an All American today.
Um, they hung 41 on us, only 1 less than they hung on GW who is at the bottom of the FCS. If that doesn’t cause concern they you aren’t paying attention
In fairness, we saw their best from first to last play. GW saw guys who will not see the field again this year for most of the second half.

Edit: GW saw guys for most of the second half who will not see the field again this year. Poor phrasing the first attempt.
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Unread post by Trock44 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:53 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:42 am
diehardapp18 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:34 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm


What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
For the record, I still love Drink. I think he’s a brilliant mind that will do great things here. However, when he got hired a lot of us thought his only mistake was making Ted Roof DC. Seriously, that’s the only thing I complained about. Those complaints already have validation. So many of us saw that being a disaster hire from a mile away.

With that being said, we are indeed 2-0 and could have a dominant offense
If you want to believe this is “validation” after a one game sample while, as i keep saying, working in new guys at absolutely key positions (most importantly the NT spot that the entire defense revolves around) then be my guest, but that’s a bit irrational TBH. Not saying Roof is Bryan Brown but it’s wild to react this way after one game and trying to bring new guys up to speed.
This problem lies with the scheme Ted Roof is trying to incorporate. These guys have never ran man coverage as much and blitz as much as they did against UNCC. We can’t keep running this 4-3 defense, it will never work. They weren’t recruited to play in this system.

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Unread post by The Rock » Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:59 am

Sounds like some egos are showing. Our guys know what works and have done it successfully for years. Roof probably thinks his system is best and our players just haven’t “bought in” to his scheme, and he is forcing it instead of choosing “performance over preference” as Coach Drink has preached since he got here.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by ASUTodd » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:07 am

I still say the only reason we won this game is because LeMay got injured. When he went in the air and got planted, my first words were...."yep they just lost the game". He was never the same after that. I don't wish harm on many people, and I didn't wish it on him, but it happened and went in our favor.

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Unread post by BeauFoster » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:10 am

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I still say the only reason we won this game is because LeMay got injured. When he went in the air and got planted, my first words were...."yep they just lost the game". He was never the same after that. I don't wish harm on many people, and I didn't wish it on him, but it happened and went in our favor.
I agree with the fact that without him, they were a bit of a different team.

And why the hell try to hurdle on that play? All he would have done is jump out of bounds. If you’re in the field of play and want extra yards, go for it. But where he was, and the angle he was taking, getting even 2 extra yards there was probably not going to happen. It seemed reckless on his part, to me.
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Unread post by appst89 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:13 am

Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:57 pm


What level of talent? We lost 2 corners to the NFL and Myqoun Stout, our most important defensive piece. You can’t just disregard that to try and prove your point.
OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.
I mostly keep my thoughts to myself, but I agree with Alum on this and I said it to a lot of people after last week. Fixing something that wasn't broken is stupid. Run the system the players were recruited for and the one that has worked well.

If anyone isn't really concerned about what we've seen thus far then they're not paying attention.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by App91 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:18 am

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I still say the only reason we won this game is because LeMay got injured. When he went in the air and got planted, my first words were...."yep they just lost the game". He was never the same after that. I don't wish harm on many people, and I didn't wish it on him, but it happened and went in our favor.
I dont know, we let the back up torch us equally, 5 for 75 yards. give that some thought.

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Unread post by mountaineerman » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:22 am

AppDawg wrote:
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Is the whole presser posted yet? I love the pressers. Drink is a good coach ... I believe that. O is doing what it needs to. I hope Drink fixes our D back.
https://appstatesports.com/news/2019/9/ ... h=football
Thanks for posting this . I really like coach Drink. He knows we will not be able to sustain these kinds of games. They will right the D . I hear it in his voice.

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Unread post by Yosef84 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:27 am

ah59396 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:40 pm
AppSt94 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 pm
ah59396 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:34 pm
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:28 pm
Aside for a few run fits, we shut down their running game. Reynolds played like an All American today.
They had 230 rushing yards...
Again. They rushed the ball 41 times. 126 of that came on two runs. Do you need a slide rule?
No man. It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it. You can’t take away their biggest plays in order to argue we did well defensively.

Edit: unless you want to go back and remove all of their missed blocking assignments on plays where we caught them in the backfield
It does matter how they got those yards. No, we don't get to go back and revise the stats. The point is that they weren't grinding it out or dominating the running game. Two big runs resulted in the overwhelming majority of their yards. Both of those were from the same issue where Roof tried to go man to man in order to increase pressure and it didn't work. Lesson learned....stay in the zone that we have built out reputation on. That's an easy fix! ONE issue on scheme.

I knew from the threads when he was hired that there would be several waiting to pounce at the first stumble. That's a STUMBLE by the way....we didn't fall. Yesterday was a win! Roof knows more about football than anyone on this board by. I have to see more than one ugly early season game before I start to panic.

Yes we have plenty of work to do but this is what the early games are for. Check out GS's game against MAINE. They've struggled in both games so far.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by AppSt94 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:06 am

appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:33 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:49 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:12 am
Yosef10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:19 am
appstatealum wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:05 am

OK. But we also have a lot of returning guys with more experience under their belts. We have a QB in his second year with a stout group of receivers. We have an absolutely LOADED backfield (even with Camerun out). The DB losses are big, and so is Stout, but our young DBs can be protected by not putting them on islands like Roof has done. Our original defensive scheme could hide those personnel losses (if we had stuck with it) and our LBs are good enough to compensate for losing that plug in the middle. So yes, we have “that level of talent” to bring to Chapel Hill and Columbia.
We lost a ton of production and leadership that you’re just glossing over on the defensive side of the ball while heaping praise on a QB and RB stable on a side of the ball that has done just what we expected, average 52.5 points over 2 games. Everyone’s complaining over the defense, which like i said lost a ton that people are just choosing to gloss over. While also ignoring that Charlotte has made leaps and bounds since we played them last year. I’m not saying what I saw on defense was great, but it wasnt so unpredictable that this could happen early in the season no matter the opponent...the pitchforks shouldn’t already be out after game 2 of which we are 2-0. It’s a pretty bad look for a fan base IMO.
Sorry. If you think I "gloss" over anything, go read my thorough breakdown of why Roof's scheme is killing us. I'm not trying to be "high and mighty", but I am blessed to have a lot of "inside" info on the team and I try to post a lot of what I can on here because I love all of you who have a passion for App like I do. This team is not a rebuild, and yes, UNCC is a lot better (I went to their home. Opener), but there is simply no reason why we gave up 40+ to them. We have every right to bring our the pitchforks. I'm not even denying the fact that Roof can do a better job, but with the talent we had for a 3-4 scheme, there is no reason why we should be playing his version of a 4-3 hybrid at this point. It's asanine.
Where were you last week saying this scheme is “killing us”? Even the last regime got torched a time or two, and it wasn’t in their first game. My only issue here really is just the complete overreaction. Roof very well may deserve to be canned when the seasons over, maybe even 3/4 through or something but to have people already calling for it while ignoring all that we lost last year and we’re in game 2? Nah that ain’t it.
I did point out the concerns with defense last week. ETSU did the dame things but couldn't capitalize on them like UNCC did with better athletes. I noted we really weren't generating pressure with 3DL and that if we blitzed more, we would be exposing our young DBs. I wasn't overly critical after game 1because I needed a two game aggregate. My conclusion is that Roof has been unable to make the necessary adjustments. Our players shouldn't be on the sidelines pleading to go back to a 3-4 base. If they don't believe in it and feel they are out of position, we have problems. *inside info*
That’s fair. But how many of those yards and points were generated due to missed tackles and drive extending penalties? Get them off the field by doing your job and maintaining discipline and the conversation would be different this morning.

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Re: 2-0

Unread post by bigdaddyg » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:38 am

Tons of “If”, “then” statements being batted about. “If” they didn’t have those big runs “then” we controlled the run. “If” Evans doesn’t have the big runs “then” we lose. And “If” we don’t make the special teams plays and other stuff “then” we lose. Granted I am very concerned with the defense but I’m not ready to pencil in a blowout loss in two weeks nor am I penciling in 5 losses. Everyone needs to breathe and come in off of the ledge. Do you want to win the stat battle or the freaking game? As is posted on the title of the thread we are 2-0. Let the coaches assess the film and make the adjustments. Is it that easy mid game to simply change the base formations? We still scored 56 points yesterday.

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