Fire Nick Saban Now!

[Seattleapp]

I think it is humorous that some folks took this post seriously

Nobody took it seriously. It was an awful attempt make fans that are not happy with Clark look stupid.

We’re not bama and Clark is not Saban.

This is an excellent point. Bama is the best program in the country and Saban doesn't have inexperience as an excuse. These losses should never happen! Fire Saban!

1 has proven he can win at the highest level
1 has had a team regress 3 consecutive years

But we're not Bama.

Yosef69 keeps dunking on himself

[WVAPPeer]

Let me ask this... don't know how many of you have coached, But I can say this from personal experience - I made mistakes my first couple of years as a coach that I would never do 4-6-8-10 years later. In fact in looking back I wondered what the hell I was thinking. Nobody wants to give coaches time anymore. Throw out the covid year, I give all coaches a pass that year and if you think the constant turnover in coordinators doesn't have an effect you are just wrong.

[appdaze]

Let me ask this... don't know how many of you have coached, But I can say this from personal experience - I made mistakes my first couple of years as a coach that I would never do 4-6-8-10 years later. In fact in looking back I wondered what the hell I was thinking. Nobody wants to give coaches time anymore. Throw out the covid year, I give all coaches a pass that year and if you think the constant turnover in coordinators doesn't have an effect you are just wrong.

I would wager few if any of us have college football or basketball coaching experience. Those who have coached have probably been on the high school level, which is where I fall. The stakes are completely different. College football is a billion dollar industry where your business rises or falls depending on your level of success. Coaches get cut slack when improvement is shown over time, even if there is still some struggle. Go look at my post in the Drink gets an extension thread. Drink for the extension because improvement has happened, even if the record still isn't pretty. Sadly for us our record has declined for three years in a row. The best pig chucker we've ever had is graduating. Those in the wings have been given little game experience to be ready for next year. Next year could easily be the same as this year. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we run the conference table every year. We are undeniably slipping. We do have some irrational fans who flip out after every loss. This is not that situation. This has been a steady three year decline. Not a freak out over one loss. Huge difference. Clark isn't going anywhere after this season. He will get one more season to get it together.

I made my share of mistakes too as a new coach, but my mistakes didn't cost my school future recruits, future potential revenue, future potential donations, etc.... It would be a more honest comparison if you compared college and pro sports at this point. It's a different world than high school. People don't want to give coaches a lot of time because time is a precious commodity that few can afford to give. If your personal business was in a steady decline for three years straight would you sit back and say it'll be alright or would you do whatever it took to make sure your business didn't fail? We've had these diacussions on here before. College football is a business like it or not and for better or worse is treated as such .

[appbio91]

We can play parodies all day but I want someone to tell me with a straight face coaching did not take away the chance (as slim as it was) to win at coastal. Does it mean we fire ‘em all no, but also does not mean the people upset are idiots.

[Seattleapp]

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We can play parodies all day but I want someone to tell me with a straight face coaching did not take away the chance (as slim as it was) to win at coastal. Does it mean we fire ‘em all no, but also does not mean the people upset are idiots.
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Everyone is upset and that’s completely understandable, it’s the irrational takes flooding these conversations by the usual suspects that aggravate people. Saying we shouldn’t have hired Clark over and over is a fools errand at this point.

[yosef69]

We can play parodies all day but I want someone to tell me with a straight face coaching did not take away the chance (as slim as it was) to win at coastal. Does it mean we fire ‘em all no, but also does not mean the people upset are idiots.

Everyone is upset and that’s completely understandable, it’s the irrational takes flooding these conversations by the usual suspects that aggravate people. Saying we shouldn’t have hired Clark over and over is a fools errand at this point.

If you’re including me in your “usual suspects” I would give you $100 if you can find where I said we should never have hired him.

[Seattleapp]

We can play parodies all day but I want someone to tell me with a straight face coaching did not take away the chance (as slim as it was) to win at coastal. Does it mean we fire ‘em all no, but also does not mean the people upset are idiots.

Everyone is upset and that’s completely understandable, it’s the irrational takes flooding these conversations by the usual suspects that aggravate people. Saying we shouldn’t have hired Clark over and over is a fools errand at this point.

If you’re including me in your “usual suspects” I would give you $100 if you can find where I said we should never have hired him.

I didn’t say you. But I’ll take the hundred bucks anyway

[WVAPPeer]

Let me ask this... don't know how many of you have coached, But I can say this from personal experience - I made mistakes my first couple of years as a coach that I would never do 4-6-8-10 years later. In fact in looking back I wondered what the hell I was thinking. Nobody wants to give coaches time anymore. Throw out the covid year, I give all coaches a pass that year and if you think the constant turnover in coordinators doesn't have an effect you are just wrong.

I would wager few if any of us have college football or basketball coaching experience. Those who have coached have probably been on the high school level, which is where I fall. The stakes are completely different. College football is a billion dollar industry where your business rises or falls depending on your level of success. Coaches get cut slack when improvement is shown over time, even if there is still some struggle. Go look at my post in the Drink gets an extension thread. Drink for the extension because improvement has happened, even if the record still isn't pretty. Sadly for us our record has declined for three years in a row. The best pig chucker we've ever had is graduating. Those in the wings have been given little game experience to be ready for next year. Next year could easily be the same as this year. I hope I'm wrong. I hope we run the conference table every year. We are undeniably slipping. We do have some irrational fans who flip out after every loss. This is not that situation. This has been a steady three year decline. Not a freak out over one loss. Huge difference. Clark isn't going anywhere after this season. He will get one more season to get it together.

I made my share of mistakes too as a new coach, but my mistakes didn't cost my school future recruits, future potential revenue, future potential donations, etc.... It would be a more honest comparison if you compared college and pro sports at this point. It's a different world than high school. People don't want to give coaches a lot of time because time is a precious commodity that few can afford to give. If your personal business was in a steady decline for three years straight would you sit back and say it'll be alright or would you do whatever it took to make sure your business didn't fail? We've had these diacussions on here before. College football is a business like it or not and for better or worse is treated as such .

Your points here about the difference between high school and college and the additional pressures is true and I wasn't looking at it in that way - As a coach did you angst over defeats, do all you could to correct mistakes, keep your players positive, etc.,? - Sure you did just like I did and that's where I was making my point - these guys want to win more than any of us just like you and I wanted to win more than the parents - I don't see this program in a desperate place where all that has been worked for is going to disappear because of 3 "down" years.

[WVAPPeer]

Alabama has won the SEC championship 4 of last 7 (counting 2022)
App has won the SBC championship 4 of last 7 counting 2022
Now granted Bama has won a more recent one but we did play for the championship last year ---

One thing that some of you overlook is that we finished 10-2 last season and we only got the additional 2 games because of the great regular season ---

[YesAppCan]

First, I fully support Shawn. But 94 you just told a guy his comment was a bad look but you single out a guy, I don’t know, with this:
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Re: Fire Nick Saban Now!
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yosef69 wrote: ↑
BambooRdApp wrote: ↑
I think it is humorous that some folks took this post seriously
Nobody took it seriously. It was an awful attempt make fans that are not happy with Clark look stupid.

We’re not bama and Clark is not Saban.
No, you have done a pretty good job of representing that take on your own without help.

I think this type attitude is a bad look myself. I hardly ever post here anymore. Used to, someone could make a statement of their feelings without constantly being reprimanded by know it alls. Seriously doubt a single person that cares enough about App football to donate, buy tickets and even get on a message board wants App to lose. They want the best for the program. None of us know shit what’s going on daily with the coaches, players. There are tons of variables BUT what folks do know is our team isn’t passing the sniff test right now for what the multiple reasons are. I don’t agree with any of the posters that want Clark gone but that’s their opinion that, as an App supporter, they are entitled to— they aren’t “stupid” for it.

[Appgrad91]

You said not to compare and then you say let Bama lose to Texas State… oops you’re comparing teams! The point the author of this post is making is what happens when a program has success is used to winning and they slip. Some on this board are just like Carolina fans now. You figure you’re entitled to wins because of the name on the jersey. Does not work this way. The good news is this is all talk and has Zero impact on our coaches’s jobs. What is good about this is when you hear the coaches and players will come together and play for themselves is for this reason. Even when you own fans turn against you. You play for yourselves. We appreciate the motivation you’re giving to the team. Hopefully it pays dividends for the remaining games and into the next season. Keep up the “good” work!

Dumb take. Really dumb take. Their situation doesn't compare to ours. They lost to, at the time, #6 Tenn. and now #10 LSU by a combined 4 points.

Let me know when they lose to 3-6 Texas State. They still have Austin Peay on their schedule. Maybe they will lose to them, and you can make this post again. You should get a refund from that hotel.

[Appgrad91]

You’re missing the point bud. It’s not about comparing the teams. It’s about how unrealistic fans are. Oh look read this. Sound familiar to another team we know from last season?

This is a totally stupid thread to compare our situation to Saban.

Saban lost 6 games in first year and then ONLY one season since with 3 losses. All other seasons were 2 or less losses thru 2021. This is over 15 years. That’s Fifteen years of coaching to reiterate. All at the highest level of college football, the SEC.

While at Bama:
185-27 record in 15 seasons
8 SEC championships
6 National Championships

You compare that to a HC with less than three years with each year progressively getting worse and we have not made it through the third year yet. What are you thinking?

My post is NOT to knock our HC but to call out how ridiculous your sarcastic comment is. Do not insult us with this nonsense comparing the two.

[bigdaddyg]

Over the years we had a fire Satt thread to include for sale signs, there were 2 running Fire Roof threads, I'm sure there had to be a fire Jerry towards the end.

[appgrad95&97]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

[goapps93]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Some have said, not in this thread, that Clark may not be or is not the right man for the job. That is a passive/aggressive way of calling for him to be fired.

[bigdaddyg]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Some have said, not in this thread, that Clark may not be or is not the right man for the job. That is a passive/aggressive way of calling for him to be fired.

A few called him a lazy hire, not qualified, no offensive lineman has been successful, too much of a players coach, etc.

[appgrad95&97]

Has anyone actually called for Clakr to be fired?

Some have said, not in this thread, that Clark may not be or is not the right man for the job. That is a passive/aggressive way of calling for him to be fired.

A few called him a lazy hire, not qualified, no offensive lineman has been successful, too much of a players coach, etc.

I have definitely called it lazy hire. I was not sure he was prepared for the job. I stand by that. I also have said that I was pulling for him and that i hope he would grow into the job. Personally, i have not called for his firing or anyone on his staff. But I see no indication I was wrong in 2019, and I don't think he's growing as a coach.

[AppinATL]

I think it is humorous that some folks took this post seriously

Nobody took it seriously. It was an awful attempt make fans that are not happy with Clark look stupid.

We’re not bama and Clark is not Saban.

Its not about some fans being unhappy with Clark, they have a right to feel that way. I’m not too happy with him right now, myself. Its about the STUPID way they express their unhappiness. Throwing temper tantrums online and demanding firings is just dumb and does nothing to help the situation.

[AppinATL]

This is a totally stupid thread to compare our situation to Saban.

Saban lost 6 games in first year and then ONLY one season since with 3 losses. All other seasons were 2 or less losses thru 2021. This is over 15 years. That’s Fifteen years of coaching to reiterate. All at the highest level of college football, the SEC.

While at Bama:
185-27 record in 15 seasons
8 SEC championships
6 National Championships

You compare that to a HC with less than three years with each year progressively getting worse and we have not made it through the third year yet. What are you thinking?

My post is NOT to knock our HC but to call out how ridiculous your sarcastic comment is. Do not insult us with this nonsense comparing the two.

Totally missing the point. This is not comparing our situation to Alabama’s. This is very cleverly written parody. Pointing out how idiotic a portion of our fan base behaves.

What’s idiotic is comparing Clark and Saban even in a parodic manner.

You clearly don’t understand parody. But thats no surprise, you are constantly showing there’s a lot of things you don’t understand.

[AppinATL]

This is a totally stupid thread to compare our situation to Saban.

Saban lost 6 games in first year and then ONLY one season since with 3 losses. All other seasons were 2 or less losses thru 2021. This is over 15 years. That’s Fifteen years of coaching to reiterate. All at the highest level of college football, the SEC.

While at Bama:
185-27 record in 15 seasons
8 SEC championships
6 National Championships

You compare that to a HC with less than three years with each year progressively getting worse and we have not made it through the third year yet. What are you thinking?

My post is NOT to knock our HC but to call out how ridiculous your sarcastic comment is. Do not insult us with this nonsense comparing the two.

Totally missing the point. This is not comparing our situation to Alabama’s. This is very cleverly written parody. Pointing out how idiotic a portion of our fan base behaves.

Ehh, not really that clever. Just picking at really low hanging fruit with a really dumb parody comparison. I guess if you consider fans who hold the program to high standards as idiots then we should just accept mediocrity with a smile. That is quite the loser attitude. I guess if that is what floats y'all's boats you are free to feel that way.

That’s because you guys ARE the low hanging fruit!