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[BambooRdApp]

I respectfully disagree. Not in G6. We have had a decent football team in G5. We have not even made it as New Year 6 participant. Although proud we won 6 bowl games, we have not played anyone of significance. At least LSU has a Natty. A perceived natty would be as new Year 6 participant..of which we have not been.
Let's not overstate our value of who we are and have been.

Absolutely pathetic statement from a “fan.” People like you make me sick

Well, go to your toilet and puke.
At least I shared my opinion...and not posting fake news about Noel being in the doghouse or whatever other fake take you has recently. People like you make me laugh i

[BambooRdApp]

I respectfully disagree. Not in G6. We have had a decent football team in G5. We have not even made it as New Year 6 participant. Although proud we won 6 bowl games, we have not played anyone of significance. At least LSU has a Natty. A perceived natty would be as new Year 6 participant..of which we have not been.
Let's not overstate our value of who we are and have been.

Absolutely pathetic statement from a “fan.” People like you make me sick

At least I gave an opinion. I am not posting fake news about Noel being in the doghouse and whatever you'r other fake news post related to. When I see your posts, I do not puke. I actually laugh

[BambooRdApp]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news

[yosef69]

I respectfully disagree. Not in G6. We have had a decent football team in G5. We have not even made it as New Year 6 participant. Although proud we won 6 bowl games, we have not played anyone of significance. At least LSU has a Natty. A perceived natty would be as new Year 6 participant..of which we have not been.
Let's not overstate our value of who we are and have been.

Absolutely pathetic statement from a “fan.” People like you make me sick

At least I gave an opinion. I am not posting fake news about Noel being in the doghouse and whatever you'r other fake news post related to. When I see your posts, I do not puke. I actually laugh

You’re one of those “fans” who thinks we should lil ole appy should know our place and wears baby blue on every day but Saturday, so I should have known better.

[WASU 93]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

1. I would say that we have been the Top G5 program and set the standard over the last 8 seasons. (some schools have had bigger Flash seasons with an NY6 game or rankings)
2. If we are trending towards back to back mediocre seasons, we are right in line (and possibly trending better) than the other Top 10 programs
3. Four of these programs in the Top 10 are becoming P5 programs and I would venture that others in the Top 10 (plus, a ton of schools not in the Top 10) have larger budgets than App. State



For arguments sake:
0-1 win (awful)
2 to 4 wins-- a bad year
5-7 wins-mediocre
8-10 wins-good
11+- excellent


For Perspective:
Number of Wins Per Year Since 2015

App St. 11 10 9 11 13 9 10 6- 79 total. (one mediocre, 3 excellent)
Boise State 9 10 11 10 12 5 7 10- 74 total (two mediocre, 2 excellent)
San Diego St. 11 11 10 7 10 4 12 7- 71 total (one bad, two mediocre, 3 excellent)
Louisiana 4 7 6 6 7 11 10 13 6- 70 total (one bad, 5 mediocre, 2 excellent)
Memphis. 9 8 10 8 12 8 6 7- 68 total (two mediocre, one excellent)
Cincinatti 7 4 4 11 11 9 13 9- 68 total (two bad, one mediocre, 3 excellent)
UCF. 0 6 13 12 10 6 9 9- 65 total. (one awful, two mediocre, 2 excellent)
BYU 9 9 4 7 7 11 10 8- 65 total. (one bad, 3 mediocre, one excellent)
Houston 13 9 7 8 4 3 12 8- 64 total. (two bad, one mediocre, 2 excellent)
WKU. 12 11 6 3 9 5 9 9- 64 total (one bad, two mediocre, 2 excellent)
Toledo. 10 9 11 7 6 4 7 9- 63 total. (one bad, three mediocre, one excellent)

NOTES:
Only three programs have had 5 10+-Win Seasons in that 8-year span--App/Boise/SD St.
Programs with 12 or 13 win seasons (mediocrity happens within three years before or after)
App--won 6 games three years later
Boise-won 5 games the next year
SD State-won 4 games the year before and 7 the year after
Louisiana-won 6 games the next year
Memphis-won 6 games two year later, then 7 the next
Cincy-TBD, but did drop to 9 wins the next year
UCF-won 6 games the year before their 13/12 years and 6 games two years after
Houston had 4 win and 3 win seasons sandwiched between their 13 and 12 year season (the biggest roller coaster in the Top 10)
WKU-won six games and then three games after their 12 win/11 win seasons and had another 5-win season two years later

Troy had three straight 5-win seasons prior to their 12-win season last year.
Fresno State won 3 games and one game prior to their 10/12 win seasons, then had a 4-win season and a 3-win season



Others:
Troy. 4 10 11 10 5 5 5 12 - 62 total. (4 bad, two excellent)
Marshall 10 3 8 9 8 7 7 9- 61 total. (one bad, two mediocre)
Fresno State 3 1 10 12 4 3 10 10- 53 total (one awful, three bad, one excellent)
MTSU 7 8 7 8 4 3 7 8- 52 total. (two bad, 3 mediocre)
Buffalo 5 2 6 10 8 6 4 7-48 total (two bad, 4 mediocre)
Wyoming 2 8 8 6 8 2 7 7- 48 total (two bad, 3 mediocre)
GaSo. 9 5 2 10 7 8 6 4 7-58 total. (two bad, 4 mediocre)
SMU. 2 5 7 5 10 7 8 7-51 total (one bad,5 mediocre) but $100M+ in donations will get you a p5 bid!
ECU. 5 3 3 3 4 3 7 8-36 total (5 bad, two mediocre)
Southern Miss 9 7 8 6 7 3 3 7-50 total. (two bad, 4 mediocre)

and just because
North Carolina 11 8 3 2 7 8 6 9-54 total
South Carolina 3 6 9 7 4 2 7 8-46 total
Wake Forest 3 7 8 7 8 3 11 8-55 total
Duke 8 4 7 8 5 1 3 9-45 total
NC State 7 7 9 9 4 8 9 8--61 total

[Saint3333]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news 😂😂😂

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

[Mjohn1988]

Also, the post I see all over online defending SC because the “conference got harder” is the type of loser mentality I’m ashamed to see seep into our program and fanbase.

Do you think JMU curls up and night and repeats “the conference got tougher, the conference got tougher,” after moving up FROM THE CAA?! 14-3 so far and have been ranked and won plenty of 1 score games. Marshall? Moved from the dying corpse of CUSA and have won a bunch. Neither roster is more talented top to bottom than ours, and neither of them boast about the “home field advantage” that we do.

Good times make soft men. The late ‘10s were too good, apparently. Protecting mediocrity is going to kill this program. Find someone who embraces the challenge of the conference instead of using it as an excuse for them.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And one more !

[BambooRdApp]

I respectfully disagree. Not in G6. We have had a decent football team in G5. We have not even made it as New Year 6 participant. Although proud we won 6 bowl games, we have not played anyone of significance. At least LSU has a Natty. A perceived natty would be as new Year 6 participant..of which we have not been.
Let's not overstate our value of who we are and have been.

Absolutely pathetic statement from a “fan.” People like you make me sick

At least I gave an opinion. I am not posting fake news about Noel being in the doghouse and whatever you'r other fake news post related to. When I see your posts, I do not puke. I actually laugh

You’re one of those “fans” who thinks we should lil ole appy should know our place and wears baby blue on every day but Saturday, so I should have known better.

Okay, like you know me. Any other fake news you care to share today?
You got your "panties in a wad" for being called out for fake news. It is what it is. Carry on with your elementary grade level of maturity.

[BambooRdApp]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

Your original post was making an assertion that we are Bama...or LSU which we have not been. It's been good but not that good.

[Bigdaddyg1]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

Your original post was making an assertion that we are Bama...or LSU which we have not been. It's been good but not that good.

I think the analogy was that we have been the Alabama or LSU of the G5 ranks. If that's what he's saying I get it but I don't think we have been that good. There have been a few teams like Cincinnati and UCF who have probably been better over that period. I think an LSU comparison isn't way off. By their standards they have dipped the last 2 years and with 2 losses this season they are looking at another potential 4 loss year. The expectation down there is Natty while at Ole Miss it's probably 8 wins.

[BambooRdApp]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

Your original post was making an assertion that we are Bama...or LSU which we have not been. It's been good but not that good.

I think the analogy was that we have been the Alabama or LSU of the G5 ranks. If that's what he's saying I get it but I don't think we have been that good. There have been a few teams like Cincinnati and UCF who have probably been better over that period. I think an LSU comparison isn't way off. By their standards they have dipped the last 2 years and with 2 losses this season they are looking at another potential 4 loss year. The expectation down there is Natty while at Ole Miss it's probably 8 wins.

Agree 100%.
That was my point. Even LSU is a stretch to me. Hypothetically, would LSU trade their Natty or nattys or participation in a Natty and lose...to our better winning % and not participating in a Natty like App. (I e. no appearance NY6 game which is a Natty for a G5.) Heck No. They would take 4 to 6 average seasons to have the natty for one season. A Natty last forever so to speak.We have been pretty good and that is an awesome feat as we have only been gbs for 10 so years...but we have not made one Natty appearance (Natty meaning an NY6 bowl game).... so, I do not see how we rank with either Bama or LSU...just my opinion

[Saint3333]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news 😂😂😂

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

Your original post was making an assertion that we are Bama...or LSU which we have not been. It's been good but not that good.

You do realize you're splitting hairs discussing if we have been the LSU versus Oklahoma of the G5.

[BambooRdApp]

Out of 60+ G5 programs where would you rank App from 2015-2020? It isn't outside of the top 10.

Traveling. It is an eye test for me.
Alabama however many Natty's
App. St. - 0 NY6 games

LSU a Natty and maybe competed ia another.. would have maybe more appearances if not in same division as Bama.

Without thinking about it,..UCF, Cincinnati, Boise....all have played in NY6 I believe and one in playoff...or played P5 in bowl game.
I do believe we can be compared to a decently winning SEC or other P5 team that has not won a Natty.
Everyone has an opinion of what successful is. For me winning SBC championship is a means to an end... getting opportunity to play in NY6....
To each it's own opinion...that is how I evaluate..as stated, I have been proud of the wins, records and bowl wins...but no where is the comparison to Bama. IMO, we would have to have played in 3 or 4 NY6 games.
If they makes people puke, so be it...it is an opinion...and not fake news

To be clear, top 10 seems pretty dang safe "without thinking about it".

So we’re the Oklahoma or Penn State of the G5, for shame!

Whatever your take of who we are and who we aren't, what we've been the last 20 games is well below that line.

Your original post was making an assertion that we are Bama...or LSU which we have not been. It's been good but not that good.

You do realize you're splitting hairs discussing if we have been the LSU versus Oklahoma of the G5.

I do not think winning a Natty recently (LSU) versus not winning a Natty recently (sooners) is splitting hairs...that is a head full of hair

[Bigdaddyg1]

I have been a Panthers fan since their inception (it's tough these days) and I discuss them a good bit with a friend of mine. I have actually raised this question-if you knew the Panthers would win the Super Bowl but absolutely stink for the next 5 years would you take that over being consistently good and making the playoffs most of the 5 years but not winning it all would you take it? We both agreed that we would take the first scenario all day long.

[NattyBumppo'sRevenge]

I have been a Panthers fan since their inception (it's tough these days) and I discuss them a good bit with a friend of mine. I have actually raised this question-if you knew the Panthers would win the Super Bowl but absolutely stink for the next 5 years would you take that over being consistently good and making the playoffs most of the 5 years but not winning it all would you take it? We both agreed that we would take the first scenario all day long.

I would take either scenario over losing the Super Bowl and stinking the next 8 seasons.

[appgrad95&97]

We're not close to winning the Sun Belt. WE ARE NOT CLOSE. 5th in the East last year? 3rd, at best, this year? WE ARE NOT CLOSE. Every single Clark year has made winning the conference further away. That's not a crazy statement. What will be different in '24? Like will we have as much skill position talent as we did in 2020? '17, '18, '19, we were ranked at some point in the season. But now? Support Clark all you want, I actually respect that. But if you ignore the drop off over the last Clark years, that I DO NOT GET.

[NewApp]

This is the Job that Shawn Clark has spent his entire life learning to do since App lost to Boise State. He wants App to win just as much as anyone who has ever posted anything on this board, probably more.

(John Candy) "It's a fair question. It's quite simple, really. I had to win. You see, Derice, I had made winning my whole life, and when you make winning your whole life, you have to keep on winning, no matter what. Understand?"
(Leon Robinson) "No, I don't understand. You won two gold medals. You had it all."
(John Candy) "Derice, a gold medal is a wonderful thing. But if you're not enough without it, you'll never be enough with it."

I believe some fans have fallen into the same trap that John Candy's character in Cool Runnings fell into. No matter how much App wins it will never be enough for some fans.

Jerry Moore is considered by some as the greatest coach that Appalachian has ever had, however, he was fired by North Texas and Texas Tech. Just think how great they could have been had they just given Jerry Moore more time. Their loss had been Appalachian's gain. We have a great coach in the making, some day you can say, "I was there during the years that Shawn Clark struggled, but I am sure glad that we did not fire of him." (I bet there are some that though we should have gotten rid of Jerry Moore back in the day too, like when he lost to Wyoming the first time the two schools played. A year later Appalachian won its first National Championship. Two years after that, Appalachian did what everyone thought was impossible. I imagine that App will do the things that everyone believes are impossible in the near future if we stay the course with Shawn Clark, just like we did when we stayed the course with Jerry Moore.

"A lazy hire." I have never understood why people think that anyone you hire from somewhere else is better than one of your own people. Chancelor Peacock was one of the best Chancelors Appalachian has ever had. Some would say that he was a "Lazy hire too".

FWIW, Coach Moore only had 2 losing seasons at App, if my memory serves me correctly.

[Yosef84]

We're not close to winning the Sun Belt. WE ARE NOT CLOSE. 5th in the East last year? 3rd, at best, this year? WE ARE NOT CLOSE. Every single Clark year has made winning the conference further away. That's not a crazy statement. What will be different in '24? Like will we have as much skill position talent as we did in 2020? '17, '18, '19, we were ranked at some point in the season. But now? Support Clark all you want, I actually respect that. But if you ignore the drop off over the last Clark years, that I DO NOT GET.

How do you know that? We have ONE loss in the SBC. There is ONE team in the East who is undefeated and they are still on our schedule. I do understand the frustration. Anyone who isn't frustrated right not hasn't been watching, but why are you giving up already? It's half-way through the season and nobody has dominated App, including a 14th ranked UNC. For 6 to 8 more games (hopefully 8 and yes...I know that's a reach) Clark is our coach. I DO NOT GET what value people think is being added by repeating the same statements over and over.

To answer your question, I do think our skill positions for 24 project very well. Another year of experience and dept for the defensive secondary, QB and a very talented WR group. Yes, I think those guys collectively are comparable to 2020. I'm no expert though. For the record, I'm not saying "wait till next year." I think this year's team has the ability to turn this season around and I do think that's what needs to happen.

[BambooRdApp]

"I DO NOT GET what value people think is being added by repeating the same statements over and over."

It feeds the ego....come on man
We probably did not see it the first 27 times it has been stated.

[pop5app]

I guess I’m saying “one more year”. If the slide as been damaging to the program then I would say the damage is already done. If ‘24 is “the year” that will be great! If not, we can make whatever adjustment that needs to take place. I will say this, we need to be good next year! I watched JMU dismantle GASO yesterday and man , they look big, fast and make a limited number of mistakes. Based on a couple of views of JMU and seeing all of our games, I would say they will whip us pretty good this year.